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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #3782
    Hannibal_Smith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    RobertKK wrote: »
    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    No I asked you.

    Aren't we suppose to trust women?
    I know lots of women who don't view themselves or other women as incubators when pregnant.

    That's true, there are plenty who don't view themselves as an incubator. But can you not see how a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant but must remain so might view themselves as an incubator?


  • #3783
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    kylith wrote: »
    Many lols. The 2nd amendment is basically grammatical, mostly to the Irish text. The 5th removes the special position of the RCC. :pac:

    The post on the page before that was about how a bishop leads a eucharistic progression to a Planned Parenthood clinic... because there's so many of them in Longford...


  • #3784
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Quote from you: unknown amount order the pill online

    Yes and my point was that abortion is happening anyway.


  • #3785
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    RobertKK wrote: »
    False, what the yes side wants is to avoid talking about the unborn, it is like the elephant in the room when they talk about the issue, everything bar what abortion actually does.

    They aren't the ones pretending that early abortions are a complex process rather than just taking a pill.


  • #3786
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Lets have a referendum to legalise abortion, but lets not talk about abortion as it is emotive.
    That is what hysterics is, not wanting to discuss what the intentions behind the referendum are because abortion isn't particularly nice.

    The posters don't mention abortion but the leaflets do so we've got it covered don't worry
    ...


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  • #3787
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Lets have a referendum to legalise abortion, but lets not talk about abortion as it is emotive.
    That is what hysterics is, not wanting to discuss what the intentions behind the referendum are because abortion isn't particularly nice.

    The referendum is to repeal the 8th.


  • #3788
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    RobertKK wrote:
    Totally avoiding the issue at hand.


    Nope, they are addressing the issue at hand, we're talking about repealing the 8th amendment which affects all women who are or will be pregnant in this country. It's not only about abortion.


  • #3789
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    That's true, there are plenty who don't view themselves as an incubator. But can you not see how a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant but must remain so might view themselves as an incubator?

    No, the equivalent would be like saying 'I have cancer' and seeing the cure as being killing oneself to stop it progressing, since the same mindset should view their own body as an incubator of the cancer.
    But of course one doesn't view killing themselves as a solution to that crisis.


  • #3790
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Lets have a referendum to legalise abortion, but lets not talk about abortion as it is emotive.
    That is what hysterics is, not wanting to discuss what the intentions behind the referendum are because abortion isn't particularly nice.

    You mean legalise abortions in Ireland as the good people of Ireland have already deemed it necessary to provide legal protection for Irish women to have an abortion once they travel beyond a geographical point.

    Have you ignored all the previous posts and threads on this issue?


  • #3791
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    The referendum is to repeal the 8th.

    and introduce restriction free abortion to 12 weeks, and much longer for certain other areas.


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  • #3792
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    RobertKK wrote: »
    and introduce restriction free abortion to 12 weeks, and much longer for certain other areas.

    It's not part of the referendum


  • #3793
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    uptherebels wrote: »
    You mean legalise abortions in Ireland as the good people of Ireland have already deemed it necessary to provide legal protection for Irish women to have an abortion once they travel beyond a geographical point.

    Have you ignored all the previous posts and threads on this issue?

    So what?
    One can go to other countries and do stuff that is legal in other countries but would be illegal at home.
    That excuse is not a reason to repeal the 8th.


  • #3794
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    RobertKK wrote: »
    No, the equivalent would be like saying 'I have cancer' and seeing the cure as being killing oneself to stop it progressing, since the same mindset should view their own body as an incubator of the cancer.
    But of course one doesn't view killing themselves as a solution to that crisis.

    Don't think you understand what equivalent means cause that is waaaay off


  • #3795
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is very open to abuse as one just has to click they are in Ireland, so illegal foreign donations can be accepted.

    Interesting you say that, because the donate page on the Save the 8th website has exactly the same functionality. The donate page of the LoveBoth website doesn't even check that.
    RobertKK wrote: »
    False, what the yes side wants is to avoid talking about the unborn, it is like the elephant in the room when they talk about the issue, everything bar what abortion actually does.

    You think that's bad, you should pro lifers scatter when you ask them if they'd repeal the 13th. It's easier to give a cat a bath than get a straight answer out of them on that question!


  • #3796
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    RobertKK wrote: »
    ....,.......all these lives add up and do have a public impact over time.

    Again with the hysterical apocalyse stuff


  • #3797
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    The referendum is to repeal the 8th.

    to what end?


  • #3798
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    It's not part of the referendum

    Of course it is, if the referendum is passed it leads to legislation for abortion to be allowed or is that a retain the 8th lie?


  • #3799
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    pleas advice wrote: »
    to what end?

    To have a ridiculous amendment repealed? The 8th affects more than just abortions.


  • #3800
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    RobertKK wrote: »
    No, the equivalent would be like saying 'I have cancer' and seeing the cure as being killing oneself to stop it progressing, since the same mindset should view their own body as an incubator of the cancer.
    But of course one doesn't view killing themselves as a solution to that crisis.

    Um no. The equivalent there is targeting the tumour either with chemo or radiotherapy to shrink it or removing it via surgery. No killing one self nseded.


  • #3801
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So what?
    One can go to other countries and do stuff that is legal in other countries but would be illegal at home.
    That excuse is not a reason to repeal the 8th.

    Please point out where Irish people have constitutional protection to do things in other countries that are illegal here aside from abortions.

    I eagerly await your response


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  • #3802
    Hannibal_Smith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    That's true, there are plenty who don't view themselves as an incubator. But can you not see how a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant but must remain so might view themselves as an incubator?

    No, the equivalent would be like saying 'I have cancer' and seeing the cure as being killing oneself to stop it progressing, since the same mindset should view their own body as an incubator of the cancer.
    But of course one doesn't view killing themselves as a solution to that crisis.

    The equivalent of what? I didn't raise any comparison? I said some women don't see themselves as an incubator, some do. That's not comparing both women?

    You're analogy makes no sense to the discussion. This Is a thread about abortion. If you want to discuss euthanasia, I wholeheartedly agree with it and there are plenty of people who opt for it, but that's another thread, No?

    The point is forcing a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want is making an incubator out of her. The rest of her life and circumstances are irrelevant. She must have the baby. Extremely unfair, in my view. And I'd put her welfare far above something the size of a plum!


  • #3803
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Of course it is, if the referendum is passed it leads to legislation for abortion to be allowed or is that a retain the 8th lie?

    You are not voting on the legislation. You are voting on the referendum. The legislation can be anything with enough lobbying. It can even keep abortion illegal. Abortion is not what you are voting for.


  • #3804
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    pleas advice wrote: »
    to what end?

    do you not know?


  • #3805
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    You are not voting on the legislation. You are voting on the referendum. The legislation can be anything with enough lobbying. It can even keep abortion illegal. Abortion is not what you are voting for.

    Yes I am.

    Vote Yes
    #TrustPoliticians


  • #3806
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Yes I am.

    Vote Yes
    #TrustPoliticians

    What's your point here?


  • #3807
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    do you not know?

    He does know. You could give him a long list of everything that the 8th has an effect on, but as soon as you mention abortion, they'd jump on that and, ignoring absolutely everything you just said, go "Aha! See! You admit it! We are voting for abortion". It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they even use this post as an "Aha! See! You admit it"...


  • #3808
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    What's your point here?

    If the referendum is passed, the abortion laws moves from being in the constitution into the hands of politicians.


  • #3809
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    RobertKK wrote: »
    If the referendum is passed, the abortion laws moves from being in the constitution into the hands of politicians.

    Yes, and?


  • #3810
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    RobertKK wrote: »
    If the referendum is passed, the abortion laws moves from being in the constitution into the hands of politicians.

    Where it should have been 35 years ago.


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  • #3811
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    RobertKK wrote:
    Yes I am.

    You might think you are, but you are misinformed
    RobertKK wrote:
    Vote Yes #TrustPoliticians


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