Irish woman gang raped by 6 men in Czech hotel

meeeeh · 09-04-2018 12:35AM

Sign Up Now wrote: »

Those crimes couldn't have been prevented, whereas Maria wouldn't have been raped and murdered if the illegal migrant hadn't been allowed in. It's very simple to understand. But you're western and most likely a woman so you have this fkded up obsession with not being seen as 'racist' to detriment of your own safety. I can't help you, no one can.

Now go on, tell me how Mohammad was a feminist.

I'm actually done trolling idiots.

JP Liz V1 · 09-04-2018 12:40AM

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Terrible reports about a poor Irish woman gang raped by 6 men in a hotel, I don't want to tread anywhere near victim blaming and of course all blame lies with the men that raped her but I think it's high time the government starts offering women travel advice for the potential of such attacks in Europe now, certainly women need to be aware Europe is no longer that safe place a single woman could have back packed across only a few short years ago, it's changed and people's behaviour also need to change.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/04/07/czech-police-arrest-algerian-migrants-gang-rape-irish-tourist/

She said that she went back to a 22-year-old Algerian’s room for consensual intercourse but he began behaving aggressively toward her when she told him to stop. He left the room and came back with several other Algerians who then took turns raping her, with at least one of them taking pictures and/or video of the ordeal.

Why did she not leave when he left as he was already behaving aggressively

The Wordress · 09-04-2018 12:49AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Why did she not leave when he left as he was already behaving aggressively

Em maybe she was getting dressed to leave or whatever. You make it sound easy to escape!

_Dara_ · 09-04-2018 01:24AM

professore wrote: »

So let me get this straight. We have a rape culture with rapist men behind every bush and wall. Yet it's a good idea to act as if there is zero threat from men. This makes no sense. You can't have it both ways.

And there is no group of men chastising women for anything. George Hook lost his job for daring to suggest something along those lines.

I'm not sure how this thread ended up as a gender war again. Fed up with it at this stage. Have to take up a hobby or something.

George Hook wasn’t giving general advice to womankind - he was ‘shoulda woulda coulda’ing a woman AFTER she had been assaulted. Let’s be clear about that.

_Dara_ · 09-04-2018 01:29AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

What I don't understand is, when incidents like this happen, why aren't all the women's interest groups trying to bring attention to this appalling crime? If some politician pinched his secretary's bottom 20 years ago, or George Hook made some stupid comments just trying to be controversial, you can't hear anything else on Twitter, the TV, or radio, demanding that these people are sacked. Yet if you're of a certain background and you're quite literally caught in the process of gang-raping a woman, then that is not worthy of comment?

If women's groups are too afraid to come out against the actions of some people publicly, then what message does that send to these people?

In this scenario, what protest do you envisage?

When I heard about it, I thought it was horrific and hoped it would go to trial which I’m sure it will. I’d imagine pretty much everyone is the same. So, as of yet, what would feminist groups be protesting?

LLMMLL · 09-04-2018 01:47AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Plenty have said men behaving irresponsibly is just as bad as women behaving irresponsibly. No one regardless of genitals should drink irresponsibly. Yet apparently you and others only think its a problem when women drink excessively?

People don't spontaneously chastise men who get attacked while out and drunk. They don't chastise men for going to house parties. They do chastise women for these things.

Just because people on this thread say they WOULD give the same "advice" to men doesn't mean they DO give that "advice" to men.

feargale · 09-04-2018 01:59AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

This is a quandry for the resident racist mysoginists that infest this site.

Second post of the thread.

Sounds like getting one's retaliation in first.

PistolsAtDawn · 09-04-2018 02:37AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

No quandry for me. I'm not a victim blaming bigot.

@The Backwards Man; Do you go outside and meet real people often?

09-04-2018 04:35AM

These conversations would go a lot more smoothly if people understood the difference between victim blaming and realistic advice.

fash · 09-04-2018 05:35AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Have more sympathy for the girl in the OP, being gang raped is soul destroying enough without perhaps seeing your situation and you as a person being used by a few racists and bigots online to further their agenda would just be adding insult to injury.

In relation to a bloke being tricked into an one the spot fine or criminal record, doesn't compare. Unless your a teenager living at home someone suggesting a quckie down an alley should set of some alarm bells.

Getting the sh1t kicked out of you in a robbery I'd have more sympathy for as their can be lasting physical injuries and mental ones in that case, if you actually aren't murdered in the processes.

That is merely a difference in degree of damage incurred- not a difference in the kind of crime- which is the contrast with the other kinds of crime. For example, if the girl had been merely assaulted and the males left paralyzed and less a kidney, then clearly the event would have been more likely traumatic with longer lasting effects for the males.

On the actual attack- it is of note that the 6 guys didn't just kill the girl at the end- they may have has a better chance of getting away with everything if they'd done that. I wonder how far they'd thought through their crime.

Hector Savage · 09-04-2018 08:44AM

2 Scoops wrote: »

If only they'd release immigrant crime statistics to solve this awful prejudiced media defamation.

For whatever reason, they won't.

It says it all that they don't , In Sweden they don't and they try and still lie and say it's all white Swedish men doing it, I mean they should record the ethnicity of the rapist in that case shouldn't they ? to show how evil and bad white Swedish men are ...

Hector Savage · 09-04-2018 09:42AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It is so great that our religion in ireland treats women so well then.

It's so great that no one (apart from older dying out generations) gives a crap about our dying RCC cult ...

irishrebe · 09-04-2018 09:47AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It is so great that our religion in ireland treats women so well then.

It's so great that no one (apart from older dying out generations) gives a crap about our dying RCC cult ...

That's why abortion is still illegal in 2018 then, is it? Including for rape victims. Yeah, women are treated just fabulously.

Kirby · 09-04-2018 09:57AM

irishrebe wrote: »

That's why abortion is still illegal in 2018 then, is it? Including for rape victims. Yeah, women are treated just fabulously.

Things take time to change. But to act like they havent changed at all is ridiculous.

Abortion will be legal soon. If its moving too slowly for you, you can continue to snipe about it or run for public office and DO something about it.

dr.fuzzenstein · 09-04-2018 10:01AM

Kirby wrote: »

Things take time to change. But to act like they havent changed at all is ridiculous.

Abortion will be legal soon. If its moving too slowly for you, you can continue to snipe about it or run for public office and DO something about it.

Yes, how dare he voice an opinion about it on the internet!
Just as well you told him not to. Well done.

jmayo · 09-04-2018 10:07AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Most women are raped by someone they know.

So should women not go anywhere?

Or should we seriously put funding into education into this area, funding, research, structure for sexual assault victims, and consequences in each country for sexual assaulters.

Each country needs to tackle this seriously.

Education,
Support
And serious consequences.

So woman was raped (allegedly to keep this all legal like) by 6 Algerians she did not know in Prague the capital of Czech Republic.

And Appledreams response is that women are usually raped by someone they know.
Fair enough stats back that up.

Appledreams reckons there should be education, research and consequences in each country.

Ehhh to my mind the country with the problem here is Algeria not each country.
What are the social consequences, nevermind the legal consequences, in Algeria if a woman is raped ?

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Also porn needs to be regulated. Violent and degrading porn of women is a huge factor in women not being respected.

And now it is the fault of porn in why women aren't respected.

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It is so great that our religion in ireland treats women so well then.

And finally there is a mention of religious outlook and bearing.

But no it isn't the religion of the perpetrators, the religion that is a huge negative factor in how women are respected as your gripe in proceeding post.

No folks it is the predominant religion in Ireland that is at issue here. :rolleyes:

FFS this skirting around the fooking huge issue refusing to actually admit that guys from islamic backgrounds and countries overwhelmingly muslim with an associated culture are it appears way more likely to treat women and girls like shyte that they can walk all over.

What type of cognitive dissonance is involved in seeing ever fooking thing else as an issue but the one patently obvious. :mad:

Muppets like that o'neill one is bellowing that Ireland has a rape culture, whatever the fook that is, but she keeps very quiet about rapists and child groomers of a certain religious persuasion and background, especially how a huge influx of same has dramatically increased sexual assaults throughout Europe.

I suppose if the likes of ms o'neill has her way her assertion will ultimately be true for this country.

09-04-2018 10:18AM

LLMMLL wrote: »

People don't spontaneously chastise men who get attacked while out and drunk.

Actually, depending on most circumstances, they do get criticised for their behavior by friends, family, etc.

And if you consider the threads here on boards, there have been very few posts referring to men being assaulted. The majority of the posts (if not all) are about women being assaulted/raped.

Because people have no interest or feel little to no surprise when men are attacked. It's not news.

They don't chastise men for going to house parties. They do chastise women for these things.

They "chastise"? No. Great term though...

They criticize the woman's choice in sexual partners, they criticize their willingness to get drunk with strangers, or they criticize their decisions to place themselves at risk.

Just because people on this thread say they WOULD give the same "advice" to men doesn't mean they DO give that "advice" to men.

Because it's assumed that men know these things, because generally speaking most men have experienced beatings or fights previously. We're already expected to be careful when out drinking, and nobody gets much sympathy for the stupid crap they do while drunk.

It's just that you expect women to be able to experience all the risky things that men do, but also, to gain sympathy or positive attention when their risky behavior returns something bad/awful.

topper75 · 09-04-2018 10:34AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What an utterly ridiculous post.

Are you really trying to suggest that those that were defending the men accused in the recent rape trial only did so because the players were white?? Are you for fcuking real? I can assure you, if any black Irish sports person, such as Chris Hughton, Phil Babb, Paul McGrath, Steven Reid, Adam Byrne etc etc, had found themselves caught up in a similar case, then not one iota of a difference would it have made to the views of the people you are suggesting it would.

This isn't a melanin in the skin problem.

It's a taking-crazy-book-literally-culture problem.

Dark skin never caused humanity any bother other than poor D absorption at high latitudes.

09-04-2018 12:20PM

irishrebe wrote: »

That's why abortion is still illegal in 2018 then, is it? Including for rape victims. Yeah, women are treated just fabulously.

There’s a little referendum happening in a month. If that passes, what are so-called feminists gonna go on about I wonder?

Ulysses Gaze · 09-04-2018 12:50PM

Omackeral wrote: »

There’s a little referendum happening in a month. If that passes, what are so-called feminists gonna go on about I wonder?

It'll be the Gender Pay Gap.

Or Gilead, sorry Ireland's, Rape Culture.

LLMMLL · 09-04-2018 01:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Actually, depending on most circumstances, they do get criticised for their behavior by friends, family, etc.

And if you consider the threads here on boards, there have been very few posts referring to men being assaulted. The majority of the posts (if not all) are about women being assaulted/raped.

Because people have no interest or feel little to no surprise when men are attacked. It's not news.

I don't believe mens family and friends are chastising them about going out drinking AFTER they get assaulted. Sure I don't know every man who's been assaulted and how his family reacted (neither do you) but since the online comments never chastise men and always chastise women I'm safely assuming their families and friends aren't much different.

Most rapes aren't in the news either. Just the high profile ones. For example those with famous people or numerous attackers. And high profile assaults are in the news as well. I could name a famous assault case for any famous rape case you could mention.

They criticize the woman's choice in sexual partners, they criticize their willingness to get drunk with strangers, or they criticize their decisions to place themselves at risk.

Exactly. And what risks are women taking in terms of their choice of sexual partners. Is it actually risky? Is there a way to mitigate that risk? I think you'll agree a woman can't know from one nightclub encounter that a man is a potential rapist (ignoring the racists who think you shouldn't go home with an algerian). Will she know after one proper date? Two? Given that most rapes aren't stranger rapes isn't the correct advice "never ever be alone with a man, no matter how much you've screened him, never ever get drunk even with men you know as they are the most likely to rape you". Is the "advice" given to women actually sensible "advice" based on real risks and concern? Or is it unfollowable nonsense such as "don't get in a car" because there's a significant risk of crashing"?

Because it's assumed that men know these things, because generally speaking most men have experienced beatings or fights previously. We're already expected to be careful when out drinking, and nobody gets much sympathy for the stupid crap they do while drunk.

Maybe not if it's actually stupid crap, such as YouTube stunts that go wrong.

If it's simply being attacked while walking down a dark alley then he'll get plenty of sympathy. Because its low risk and someone else's fault. I genuinely have yet to hear criticism of a man being attacked by someone and he being criticized for his alcohol consumption or his choice of route home etc.

Just as a woman going back to man's house is low risk and his fault if he attack her.

And yes women are aware that there are risks in going home with a stranger. They just judge them to be low. Using the car example again would you say all those people driving right now have no idea there's a risk to themselves? Or do they just judge the risk to be acceptably low?

It's just that you expect women to be able to experience all the risky things that men do, but also, to gain sympathy or positive attention when their risky behavior returns something bad/awful.

I expect a woman to be treated the same as a man if she take a low risk and is assaulted. Basically, no criticism of her.

If she takes an actual risk such as trampolining at the edge of a cliff for views on YouTube then I would expect her to get the same treatment as a man. Not much sympathy.

Hector Savage · 09-04-2018 01:20PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

What I don't understand is, when incidents like this happen, why aren't all the women's interest groups trying to bring attention to this appalling crime? If some politician pinched his secretary's bottom 20 years ago, or George Hook made some stupid comments just trying to be controversial, you can't hear anything else on Twitter, the TV, or radio, demanding that these people are sacked. Yet if you're of a certain background and you're quite literally caught in the process of gang-raping a woman, then that is not worthy of comment?

If women's groups are too afraid to come out against the actions of some people publicly, then what message does that send to these people?

It's because these womens group actually don't give a **** about women, it's more that they hate a certain class and race of male.

Hector Savage · 09-04-2018 01:30PM

irishrebe wrote: »

That's why abortion is still illegal in 2018 then, is it? Including for rape victims. Yeah, women are treated just fabulously.

That nonsense is about to be repealed thankfully!

Hector Savage · 09-04-2018 01:37PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It'll be the Gender Pay Gap.

Or Gilead, sorry Ireland's, Rape Culture.

the gender pay gap ... another myth that the cretins like O Neill and Mullaly will soapbox over.

CruelCoin · 09-04-2018 01:40PM

Is the OP really suggesting that we discourage travel to the Czech Republic over a single attack?

Weird how none of the people I know got raped on holidays in Prague.

Hector Savage · 09-04-2018 02:05PM

<snip> sorry meant for liveline thread !

09-04-2018 02:38PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

I don't believe mens family and friends are chastising them about going out drinking AFTER they get assaulted. Sure I don't know every man who's been assaulted and how his family reacted (neither do you) but since the online comments never chastise men and always chastise women I'm safely assuming their families and friends aren't much different.

And since the topic of the discussion is usually a woman having a terrible experience then why would posters be telling men to be more careful in their behavior? Grab an article of a man being assaulted, start a thread, and you probably will get plenty of criticism of his behavior/choices.

As for criticizing the woman's behavior after the incident occurred, once again the topic of the discussion is usually based on an incident that has already occurred. However, many posters here have stated that they would like women to be more careful with strangers, especially with those from Islamic cultures due to the cultural differences, but you're objecting that they're talking about it after its happened...

Most rapes aren't in the news either. Just the high profile ones. For example those with famous people or numerous attackers. And high profile assaults are in the news as well. I could name a famous assault case for any famous rape case you could mention.

Yup, I'm sure you could. I'm missing the relevance though.

Exactly. And what risks are women taking in terms of their choice of sexual partners.

Casual intimate encounters with strangers are risky. For both genders. There you go. A perfect example. But now you'll say that men can do it, so why can't women? And I'll repeat that women can indeed do it but the risks for women are higher, and you'll return to the belief that women should be able to do these things without the risks involved. And I'll point out that's unrealistic, and we'll return to the expectation that all men are a danger and it's unreasonable to think that way.

Sound familiar?

Is it actually risky? Is there a way to mitigate that risk? I think you'll agree a woman can't know from one nightclub encounter that a man is a potential rapist (ignoring the racists who think you shouldn't go home with an algerian).

Sure, it comes down to being lucky or unlucky. Are you unlucky enough to go home with a nutjob or rapist or simply a nice guy? The risks remain the same though. It's up to the woman herself to decide whether the risk is worth the 'reward'.

Personally, I've stopped doing ONS encounters because I feel the risks have increased in recent years, and the experience itself rarely merits the possible danger.

As for dating, how much of a rush are you in to have sex or be somewhere private with him? I tend to date with someone for a few weeks before anything more than kissing happens. You can choose to speed that up considerably, but the risks go up too.

Will she know after one proper date? Two?

Ahh... you're looking for an absolute answer. A yes/No situation. Black and white. Sorry, life is not that simple.

Given that most rapes aren't stranger rapes isn't the correct advice "never ever be alone with a man, no matter how much you've screened him, never ever get drunk even with men you know as they are the most likely to rape you". Is the "advice" given to women actually sensible "advice" based on real risks and concern? Or is it unfollowable nonsense such as "don't get in a car" because there's a significant risk of crashing"?

The rates of violence between males is quite high especially in situations where alcohol is involved. Does this mean I should never spend time around other males? No, because while the risks are there you can lower the risks by taking reasonable precautions. The problem here is that you're constantly looking to the extremes for examples.

Maybe not if it's actually stupid crap, such as YouTube stunts that go wrong.

And this describes your attitude quite well. You're so dismissive of the real risks that men face in the world.

I expect a woman to be treated the same as a man if she take a low risk and is assaulted. Basically, no criticism of her.

It's unlikely to happen because even though we're told that equality is here, most feminists are not campaigning for actual equality. At every stage we're told that women are different from men. More sensitive, less competitive, etc etc. We're told that women are equal to men but gender quotas are required to bridge the gap between the gender roles.

The point is that women are different than men. Women generally are physically weaker than men, less capable of drinking alcohol without getting drunk, less experiences in physical conflict etc. So... taking the same precautions as men doesn't cut it so much. But it's unrealistic for us to expect women to take more precautions such as not getting drunk alone or going home with a group of strange men.

The fact is that women are always going to be treated differently than men because women themselves want to be treated differently. They don't want women to be judged the same way as men are. Otherwise, sentencing in court cases would be far harsher, less women would retain custody of children, women would be arrested for domestic assault more often, etc.

If she takes an actual risk such as trampolining at the edge of a cliff for views on YouTube then I would expect her to get the same treatment as a man. Not much sympathy.

If someone is behaving in an idiotic manner and encouraging something bad to happen, I'll still have sympathy for her. Or him. I reserve the chance to call them idiotic and foolish, but I'll always have sympathy for anyone that has a truly negative experience.

The subject of this thread had an awful experience, and I'm not judging her behavior/choices. Simply because it's all hearsay, and I've no idea of what really happened. I do hope that other people will see her story, consider the dangers involved, and make an informed choice when/if they're faced with a similar opportunity. Is the risk of being raped really worth spending a few hours of meaningless sex with a stranger in a hostel? Their choice.

LLMMLL · 09-04-2018 04:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And since the topic of the discussion is usually a woman having a terrible experience then why would posters be telling men to be more careful in their behavior? Grab an article of a man being assaulted, start a thread, and you probably will get plenty of criticism of his behavior/choices.

Not in the case of the journalist that was assaulted a few years back on Camden st. Just read the thread on that.

And take a look at the false rape allegation Threads that pop up on here sometimes. I just read through one from the gentlemen's club forum and in ten pages one person said "men should take care to avoid crazies" which I guess could be construed as advice to men. All things being equal you would expect (going by this thread) numerous people saying it's a huge risk for men to go home with a woman and "what was he thinking....". But guess what, people don't say that.

After my own assault nobody chastised me for walking down a dark street staring at my phone screen.

As for criticizing the woman's behavior after the incident occurred, once again the topic of the discussion is usually based on an incident that has already occurred. However, many posters here have stated that they would like women to be more careful with strangers, especially with those from Islamic cultures due to the cultural differences, but you're objecting that they're talking about it after its happened...

Yes. The tone is clearly critical of the individual, not offering advice to women in general. And it's not taking into account the actual risk levels involved.

Yup, I'm sure you could. I'm missing the relevance though.

You said it wasn't news when men are assaulted. I was countering that. But it's a point you raised, not me. You seemed to think it was relevant at that point.

Casual intimate encounters with strangers are risky. For both genders. There you go. A perfect example. But now you'll say that men can do it, so why can't women? And I'll repeat that women can indeed do it but the risks for women are higher, and you'll return to the belief that women should be able to do these things without the risks involved. And I'll point out that's unrealistic, and we'll return to the expectation that all men are a danger and it's unreasonable to think that way.

Sound familiar?

I didn't say that women should be able to do these things without risk involved. Clearly we both believe that would be great but unrealistic. I'm saying they should be able to do these low risk things and not be criticized if they are unlucky enough to be victimized. And I'm highlighting the double standards involved with men taking low risks. It's low risk for a man to go out drinking in the city centre. He is at a higher risk of physical assaults than women, but still low risk. Yet nobody criticizes him for it if he's attacked. It's low risk for a man to go home with a woman. He's at higher risk than she is of a false allegations being made, but still low risk. Yet nobody criticizes men for going home with women. I'm not saying men should be criticized for these things. I'm saying that women should not be either.

Sure, it comes down to being lucky or unlucky. Are you unlucky enough to go home with a nutjob or rapist or simply a nice guy? The risks remain the same though. It's up to the woman herself to decide whether the risk is worth the 'reward'.

Absolutely. And they shouldn't be criticized for being unlucky.

Personally, I've stopped doing ONS encounters because I feel the risks have increased in recent years, and the experience itself rarely merits the possible danger.

I respect your decision to do that just as I respect other people's decisions to engage in low risk behaviour.

As for dating, how much of a rush are you in to have sex or be somewhere private with him? I tend to date with someone for a few weeks before anything more than kissing happens. You can choose to speed that up considerably, but the risks go up too.

Yes both men and women can choose to speed that up. Not sure the risks actually do go up as many women are assaulted by someone they know and not a stranger.

Ahh... you're looking for an absolute answer. A yes/No situation. Black and white. Sorry, life is not that simple.

And when it's after 1 date she will be told "you didn't know him well enough". And if it's after 4 dates she will be told "sorry still didn't know him well enough". Because after the fact it's easy to point out the risks.

The rates of violence between males is quite high especially in situations where alcohol is involved. Does this mean I should never spend time around other males? No, because while the risks are there you can lower the risks by taking reasonable precautions. The problem here is that you're constantly looking to the extremes for examples.

Really? How likely is it that a random man will be assaulted if he goes out every weekend in a year?

The car example isn't an extreme at all. You just perceive it that way because people do it all the time. Which do you think is more likely to happen to the average man over a year: he is assaulted or he is in a car accident?

And this describes your attitude quite well. You're so dismissive of the real risks that men face in the world.

Not at all. All I've said is that a man wouldn't be chastised for being in the city centre drunk if he got assaulted. And I believe that's right. He shouldn't be.

The YouTube example is simply an example where I think a man taking a risk would be chastised.

I did not say anything about whether a man would be more likely to be assaulted or take part in a YouTube video. Don't really know where you're getting that I'm minimizing the dangers men face.

It's unlikely to happen because even though we're told that equality is here, most feminists are not campaigning for actual equality. At every stage we're told that women are different from men. More sensitive, less competitive, etc etc. We're told that women are equal to men but gender quotas are required to bridge the gap between the gender roles.

The point is that women are different than men. Women generally are physically weaker than men, less capable of drinking alcohol without getting drunk, less experiences in physical conflict etc. So... taking the same precautions as men doesn't cut it so much. But it's unrealistic for us to expect women to take more precautions such as not getting drunk alone or going home with a group of strange men.

Maybe your examples are hypothetical but it seems you're referring to the two recent cases so I have to say this. Belfast case girl went home with a mixed group. And the Czech case girl went back with one guy. Whatever about the risks of being raped, the risks of being gang raped are miniscule. Expecting women to think "oh this guy has 5 friends staying with him, I might get gang raped" is just silly.

I'm not against women taking more precautions if they choose to themselves. I'm against chastising them for low risk behaviours where they get unlucky.

The fact is that women are always going to be treated differently than men because women themselves want to be treated differently. They don't want women to be judged the same way as men are. Otherwise, sentencing in court cases would be far harsher, less women would retain custody of children, women would be arrested for domestic assault more often, etc.

It's news to me that women in general want less harsh sentences on women for the same crimes. Or that women in general think that women who commit domestic violence should be arrested less often......

If someone is behaving in an idiotic manner and encouraging something bad to happen, I'll still have sympathy for her. Or him. I reserve the chance to call them idiotic and foolish, but I'll always have sympathy for anyone that has a truly negative experience.

The subject of this thread had an awful experience, and I'm not judging her behavior/choices. Simply because it's all hearsay, and I've no idea of what really happened. I do hope that other people will see her story, consider the dangers involved, and make an informed choice when/if they're faced with a similar opportunity. Is the risk of being raped really worth spending a few hours of meaningless sex with a stranger in a hostel? Their choice.

Ah well I see a big contradiction in this paragraph because you say you're not judging and then say something very judgemental.

Chrongen · 09-04-2018 04:41PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Kudos to the Czech police for prompt action and I hope for proportionately harsh sentencing from the Czech courts.

Note that if this happened in Ireland the men could obtain a reduction in their sentences based on their ethnic background.

My deepest sympathies to the victim.

Can you clarify where you got the information that someone's judicial punishment is contingent on their ethnicity?

fash · 09-04-2018 04:53PM

Chrongen wrote: »

Can you clarify where you got the information that someone's judicial punishment is contingent on their ethnicity?

Foreign nationals are considered to suffer more in prison than nationals - due to lack of family connections/visits etc. As a result sentence is reduced to take this hardship into consideration. It's part of the court sentencing guidelines.

Irish woman gang raped by 6 men in Czech hotel

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