Irish woman gang raped by 6 men in Czech hotel

gw80 · 08-04-2018 10:08PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I just looked at the 'Most beautiful women in the world' thread.

Men saying
"I wouldn't bang her" "I'd do her"
It is all power tripping talk like sex is completely the man's decision. I had to remind them that the woman has a choice in having sex aswell.

Respect needs to start everywhere

Christ almighty,
Id say you're some craic at parties

professore · 08-04-2018 10:12PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I just looked at the 'Most beautiful women in the world' thread.

Men saying
"I wouldn't bang her" "I'd do her"
It is all power tripping talk like sex is completely the man's decision. I had to remind them that the woman has a choice in having sex aswell.

Respect needs to start everywhere

Oh FFS women talk like that too. There is a most beautiful men thread too. And women use sex for power tripping more than men.

I have to say you seem to have a very unhealthy view of human sexuality.

DavidLyons_ · 08-04-2018 10:14PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Who exactly are raising these young men?

84% of lone parents are women.
87% of primary school teachers are women.
99% of childcare workers are women.

Maybe you should talk with your sistas. :rolleyes:

You're choosing to blame women for the existence of rape? Let's consider it this way, when there's calls to do consent classes, individuals such as yourself tend to be outraged by the very concept. Women are no the sole party that raises children btw. In many senses, raising a child is a community effort and views are absorbed from every corner. So to blame women, well that's a pretty warped attitude from your side.

The poster sweetemotion was responding to has repeatedly posted misandrist, hareful, untruths and general scutter.

You are absolutely correct, raising our boys AND GIRLS is a community effort. Idiots who post what sweetemotion was replying to is unhelpful in the extreme.

Some posts are absolutely disgusting in their hateful, bile-spewing sh1t to be honest.

pjohnson · 08-04-2018 10:17PM

gw80 wrote: »

Christ almighty,
Id say you're some craic at parties

Parties are too misogynistic.

I believe shes also involved in womens rights in India so no time for parties.

pjohnson · 08-04-2018 10:20PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I just looked at the 'Most beautiful women in the world' thread.

Men saying
"I wouldn't bang her" "I'd do her"
It is all power tripping talk like sex is completely the man's decision. I had to remind them that the woman has a choice in having sex aswell.

Respect needs to start everywhere

You didnt have to. Your selective reading will blind you but there was a similar thread women were posting in about beautiful men. As if sex was completely the womans decision. I know these women are vaginal traitors in your eyes so are the now men?

chrissb8 · 08-04-2018 10:20PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'm neither liberal nor virtuous my boy. Having no time for the scum that has sucked the life out of AH doesn't make me either of those. This thread was started for one reason only, you know it, I know it, the admins and the mods know it. The OP doesn't give a crap about the victim, only the perpetrators.

Would you just be quiet. You've been on this since 2013. I don't post much and had a previous account going back to 2007. I also remember people saying AH had gone to the dogs then too. Boards isn't some town that has lost it's charm and character due to sum bad der characters. It's the same thing it has always been. A chat forum that captures certain zeitgeists in Irish society reflective of the threads on forums such as After-hours.

Sick and tired of seeing the "Remember when" posts.....BOARDS ISN'T A REAL PLACE IT'S A FLUID MOVING CHAT FORUM. And from what I've seen the said "scum" have caused much debate and many pages on their threads. Y'know actually contributing and enriching the website.

Sweetemotion · 08-04-2018 10:20PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

You're choosing to blame women for the existence of rape? Let's consider it this way, when there's calls to do consent classes, individuals such as yourself tend to be outraged by the very concept. Women are no the sole party that raises children btw. In many senses, raising a child is a community effort and views are absorbed from every corner. So to blame women, well that's a pretty warped attitude from your side.

I said no such thing and you know that.

08-04-2018 10:23PM

irishrebe wrote: »

There are people on this thread saying women shouldn't get drunk or stay in hostel dorms. If you're trying to tell me a man would get the same advice, you're deluded. Men can travel the world, sleep in couchettes on night trains, go drinking with random people, stay in dorms, all grand, all just having a good time. A woman doing the same is seen as taking huge risks and putting herself in danger. And then at the same time criticised for assuming the worst of men.

Riiiight.

irishrebe wrote: »

I'd say there's quite a bit more danger for a man in going to town in Ireland on a Saturday night than doing any of the above.

So this is about equality then? Regardless of biological differences, you believe that men and women should be able to share the same experiences and risks?

The simple idea is that men are more likely to be able to physically defend themselves against an aggressor than a woman whether sober or drunk. Generally, men have experienced physical violence while growing up (bullying, fights, aggressive contact sports), and we're also generally physically built in a manner to handle ourselves against one or two people. Women aren't and rarely have the past experience of physical violence to protect themselves.

So, while you believe that women should be able to get drunk, and do all manner of idiotic/fun things with strangers, you're missing out on the risk factor. The risk is still there for men. It's just that its considerably less for men than it is for women.

Nobody is saying that women can't travel the world, get drunk, or head off with a group of strangers. Many of us are saying that doing so will increase your chances of being assaulted.

I've spent the last decade living in the M.East and Asia. I've been mugged three times, assaulted in bars, beaten up by groups of strangers simply because I was a foreigner, been taken in by scams, had my drinks spiked/been robbed, etc. The world is not a safe place, and if you want to enjoy the experience of travelling or behaving the same as a man, then you should be taking adequate precautions. [Which I have since learned to do.]

Go ahead and get drunk or stay in hostels. We're not telling you that you can't do it. Is it really so terrible that people are telling women to be careful in doing so?

irishrebe wrote: »

I'm wondering if some of the posters here still live in their parents' basement. Afraid to go to 'foreign' places in case they get a kidney stolen or their bank account emptied by some Latvian temptress in a bar. Like, I'm not saying people should throw caution to the wind, but Jesus, you need to live your life.

I've lived in Australia, China, Thailand, Japan, the US, Russia, and Italy. Do I not know what it's like out there?

Taking reasonable precautions and having some cop on is fine in most cases.

Which is what posters are asking women to do. Behaving the same as a man is not taking reasonable precautions, because you're not a man.

Also behaving freely abroad in (or interacting with) cultures that are more hostile to western culture/freedoms can often result in grief. Always no. But there are increased risks for women than there are for men. That's not sexism.. it's just reality.

In fact, they're the most vulnerable, because they haven't learned any independence or life skills.

Yup. Green as the grass can be. I was the same when I first left Europe and moved to Russia. I've known quite a few men and women who were like that. And invariably they either returned to their home countries still sheltered, or had a series of bad experiences and copped on to themselves. Just as I did. And then there's the few who just didn't learn to protect themselves, and went home broken.

chrissb8 · 08-04-2018 10:23PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Originally Posted by gw80

Christ almighty,
Id say you're some craic at parties

Parties are too misogynistic.

I believe shes also involved in womens rights in India so no time for parties.

Christ almighty,
Id say you're some craic at parties

08-04-2018 10:39PM

fash wrote: »

Those 2 examples would be more similar in nature to the “risks females face” being mentioned in the thread than the “guy gets beaten up in the street”.
Where a guy got caught out by one of the tricks mentioned above, who would feel sympathy? Who would feel he was partly at fault? Who would feel both apply?

Have more sympathy for the girl in the OP, being gang raped is soul destroying enough without perhaps seeing your situation and you as a person being used by a few racists and bigots online to further their agenda would just be adding insult to injury.

In relation to a bloke being tricked into an one the spot fine or criminal record, doesn't compare. Unless your a teenager living at home someone suggesting a quckie down an alley should set of some alarm bells.

Getting the sh1t kicked out of you in a robbery I'd have more sympathy for as their can be lasting physical injuries and mental ones in that case, if you actually aren't murdered in the processes.

08-04-2018 10:39PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

when teenage boys said they were raped by priests, I don't remember anyone saying they should have been more careful, and not been alone with an older man.

Slight bit of difference here. A stranger in a hostel room with an adult female, vs a person respected in the community.

If you can't see the difference....

Women are not respected worldwide, period.

Absolute rubbish. Women are respected in the Western world. Otherwise there wouldn't be the host of laws to protect womens rights. In fact, if the west was the way you seem to believe, you wouldn't have the right to vote, the right to earn a salary, the right to own property, etc.

Therefore everything is the woman's fault, not the person that rapes her.

This is more of the victim mentality. Most of the posters here haven't said it was the womans fault for what happened. They have said that she could have been more careful and reduced the risk to herself.

TBH most of the posts about being more careful are being directed towards women who have not been assaulted or raped, in the hopes that women will be more careful.

The question is: how do we change generations of misogyny, and get the majority of men to respect women?

You could start by respecting men... Although I suspect that's one bridge too far.

It is hard to change something that has existed for so long.

Especially when it has already changed and your mindset is stuck five decades behind the rest of us.

How many rapes have to happen, before countries start to put better protections into place

Define better protections. Realistic and practical protections.

You see, many of the posters here are suggesting that women be more careful about getting drunk with strangers, or who they have sex with. Pretty reasonable suggestions for reducing the risks involved... But that's obviously not agreeable to you. I assume these protections will require women to do nothing different?

So... what are these better protections?

08-04-2018 10:44PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

You're choosing to blame women for the existence of rape?

Where did the poster say that?

The_Kew_Tour · 08-04-2018 11:02PM

enricoh wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/theukdatabase.com/2014/11/01/3-kildare-residents-each-receive-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-abuse-of-schoolgirl/amp/

I read this earlier in the thread. Is this true? It looks legit.
In summary a 14 year old girl was repeatedly raped. 4 years later when it went to court the nigerian attackers got suspended sentences. The story is kept out of the papers.
One of the players now plays in the league of Ireland for Waterford. I was reading Paul kimmages piece about a Munster player who got done for taking steroids, why is no one writing about a child rapist??

Because it would be racist to some. Actually league of Ireland fans called him out.

It was the media who keep quiet

Danzy · 08-04-2018 11:24PM

Another diversity incident.

Poor women.

irishrebe · 08-04-2018 11:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

There are people on this thread saying women shouldn't get drunk or stay in hostel dorms. If you're trying to tell me a man would get the same advice, you're deluded. Men can travel the world, sleep in couchettes on night trains, go drinking with random people, stay in dorms, all grand, all just having a good time. A woman doing the same is seen as taking huge risks and putting herself in danger. And then at the same time criticised for assuming the worst of men.

Riiiight.

irishrebe wrote: »

I'd say there's quite a bit more danger for a man in going to town in Ireland on a Saturday night than doing any of the above.

So this is about equality then? Regardless of biological differences, you believe that men and women should be able to share the same experiences and risks?

The simple idea is that men are more likely to be able to physically defend themselves against an aggressor than a woman whether sober or drunk. Generally, men have experienced physical violence while growing up (bullying, fights, aggressive contact sports), and we're also generally physically built in a manner to handle ourselves against one or two people. Women aren't and rarely have the past experience of physical violence to protect themselves.

So, while you believe that women should be able to get drunk, and do all manner of idiotic/fun things with strangers, you're missing out on the risk factor. The risk is still there for men. It's just that its considerably less for men than it is for women.

Nobody is saying that women can't travel the world, get drunk, or head off with a group of strangers. Many of us are saying that doing so will increase your chances of being assaulted.

I've spent the last decade living in the M.East and Asia. I've been mugged three times, assaulted in bars, beaten up by groups of strangers simply because I was a foreigner, been taken in by scams, had my drinks spiked/been robbed, etc. The world is not a safe place, and if you want to enjoy the experience of travelling or behaving the same as a man, then you should be taking adequate precautions. [Which I have since learned to do.]

Go ahead and get drunk or stay in hostels. We're not telling you that you can't do it. Is it really so terrible that people are telling women to be careful in doing so?

irishrebe wrote: »

I'm wondering if some of the posters here still live in their parents' basement. Afraid to go to 'foreign' places in case they get a kidney stolen or their bank account emptied by some Latvian temptress in a bar. Like, I'm not saying people should throw caution to the wind, but Jesus, you need to live your life.

I've lived in Australia, China, Thailand, Japan, the US, Russia, and Italy. Do I not know what it's like out there?

Taking reasonable precautions and having some cop on is fine in most cases.

Which is what posters are asking women to do. Behaving the same as a man is not taking reasonable precautions, because you're not a man.

Also behaving freely abroad in (or interacting with) cultures that are more hostile to western culture/freedoms can often result in grief. Always no. But there are increased risks for women than there are for men. That's not sexism.. it's just reality.

In fact, they're the most vulnerable, because they haven't learned any independence or life skills.

Yup. Green as the grass can be. I was the same when I first left Europe and moved to Russia. I've known quite a few men and women who were like that. And invariably they either returned to their home countries still sheltered, or had a series of bad experiences and copped on to themselves. Just as I did. And then there's the few who just didn't learn to protect themselves, and went home broken.

In an ideal world, yes. Yet if we acknowledge getting the short end of the stick when it comes to being able to do whatever we want, we're called moaners and snowflakes. As I've been saying all along, you can't have it both ways. You can't criticise women for being wary of men and tell them they're liars when they recount experiences of harassment or worse and at the same time say it's common sense that women have to take more precautions (not using 'you' personally here, speaking in general).

I have no idea what you know about how it is out there. It is surprising that you've fallen for scams and more than once. Were you very naive when you started your travels? And people 'going home broken'? Sorry, this is just ludicrous to me. I've lived in more places than you and have close friends who have lived in even more and far more dangerous places and none of them recognise this big bad scary world you describe, especially the men. Where on earth were these people living that they went home broken?

Ulysses Gaze · 08-04-2018 11:30PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I just looked at the 'Most beautiful women in the world' thread.

Men saying
"I wouldn't bang her" "I'd do her"
It is all power tripping talk like sex is completely the man's decision. I had to remind them that the woman has a choice in having sex aswell.

Respect needs to start everywhere

Yes because the women commenting in the Most Beautiful Men thread are commenting about the men's intellectual prowess.....

LLMMLL · 08-04-2018 11:31PM

irishrebe wrote: »

In an ideal world, yes. Yet if we acknowledge getting the short end of the stick when it comes to being able to do whatever we want, we're called moaners and snowflakes. As I've been saying all along, you can't have it both ways. You can't criticise women for being wary of men and tell them they're liars when they recount experiences of harassment or worse and at the same time say it's common sense that women have to take more precautions (not using 'you' personally here, speaking in general).

I have no idea what you know about how it is out there. It is surprising that you've fallen for scams and more than once. Were you very naive when you started your travels?

And don't forget that whenever a woman raises her experience of sexual harrasent she's told that "well men are physically assaulted far more". Yet women are still the ones chastised for being irresponsible while drinking or going to parties. Women can't win either way.

professore · 08-04-2018 11:46PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

And don't forget that whenever a woman raises her experience of sexual harrasent she's told that "well men are physically assaulted far more". Yet women are still the ones chastised for being irresponsible while drinking or going to parties. Women can't win either way.

So let me get this straight. We have a rape culture with rapist men behind every bush and wall. Yet it's a good idea to act as if there is zero threat from men. This makes no sense. You can't have it both ways.

And there is no group of men chastising women for anything. George Hook lost his job for daring to suggest something along those lines.

I'm not sure how this thread ended up as a gender war again. Fed up with it at this stage. Have to take up a hobby or something.

fash · 08-04-2018 11:51PM

irishrebe wrote: »

In an ideal world, yes. Yet if we acknowledge getting the short end of the stick when it comes to being able to do whatever we want, we're called moaners and snowflakes. As I've been saying all along, you can't have it both ways. You can't criticise women for being wary of men and tell them they're liars when they recount experiences of harassment or worse and at the same time say it's common sense that women have to take more precautions (not using 'you' personally here, speaking in general).

That's complete nonsense/gibberish: just because a person faces greater risks doesn't automatically mean they are now unable to lie in any situation.

meeeeh · 08-04-2018 11:54PM

A gender war or an opportunity for a few resident racists to score points using a very distressing report. I don't know which is preferable... All I know is that quite a few in this thread want to use what seems to be a horrific order as an opportunity to score points against Muslims or liberal women but preferably both. Complaining that the thread disintegrated into gender war is bit disingenuous.

irishrebe · 08-04-2018 11:55PM

fash wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

In an ideal world, yes. Yet if we acknowledge getting the short end of the stick when it comes to being able to do whatever we want, we're called moaners and snowflakes. As I've been saying all along, you can't have it both ways. You can't criticise women for being wary of men and tell them they're liars when they recount experiences of harassment or worse and at the same time say it's common sense that women have to take more precautions (not using 'you' personally here, speaking in general).

That's complete nonsense/gibberish: just because a person faces greater risks doesn't automatically mean they are now unable to lie in any situation.

But why in God's name would you assume they are lying??? This is the issue. Rather than take someone at their word when they tell you something totally believable (since the world is apparently so risky for women), you'd rather assume they were pushing some sort of anti-man agenda? Seems like a pretty toxic mentality to me, but I can't be bothered getting into this argument again.

Francie Barrett · 08-04-2018 11:56PM

What I don't understand is, when incidents like this happen, why aren't all the women's interest groups trying to bring attention to this appalling crime? If some politician pinched his secretary's bottom 20 years ago, or George Hook made some stupid comments just trying to be controversial, you can't hear anything else on Twitter, the TV, or radio, demanding that these people are sacked. Yet if you're of a certain background and you're quite literally caught in the process of gang-raping a woman, then that is not worthy of comment?

If women's groups are too afraid to come out against the actions of some people publicly, then what message does that send to these people?

pjohnson · 09-04-2018 12:00AM

LLMMLL wrote: »

And don't forget that whenever a woman raises her experience of sexual harrasent she's told that "well men are physically assaulted far more". Yet women are still the ones chastised for being irresponsible while drinking or going to parties. Women can't win either way.

Plenty have said men behaving irresponsibly is just as bad as women behaving irresponsibly. No one regardless of genitals should drink irresponsibly. Yet apparently you and others only think its a problem when women drink excessively?

meeeeh · 09-04-2018 12:01AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If women's groups are too afraid to come out against the actions of some people publicly, then what message does that send to these people?

Let me get this six Muslim men rape a woman ... all Muslim men a rapists. Let's expand on this logic: six men rape a woman... all men are rapists. Do you really want to go there?

Francie Barrett · 09-04-2018 12:11AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If women's groups are too afraid to come out against the actions of some people publicly, then what message does that send to these people?

Let me get this six Muslim men rape a woman ... all Muslim men a rapists. Let's expand on this logic: six men rape a woman... all men are rapists. Do you really want to go there?

When a white many is caught doing any form of disdemeanour, you will get thousands of foaming at the mouth women rallying to the cause of the victim and personally villfying the perpetrator. I don't see any of the usual suspects trying to track down these men to try and shame them, trying to bring this to get attention of politicians, getting them sacked, whatever. The silence is deafening.

tretorn · 09-04-2018 12:12AM

These men come from very backward societies where rape as a crime isnt taken seriously.

Women are chattels, less valuable than cattle, if they dont take precautions like covering from head to toe or not going anywhere without a male chaperone then there is a good chance they will be raped. Once raped they are soiled goods so no use to anyone at all because no one will buy them off their fathers.

Now we have North Africa on the move to Western Europe but its quite clear that its mainly young men on the move, there are hordes of them and no country in Europe wants them. They are mostly uneducated so wherever they go they are a drain on services. They then end up marginalised and living in ghettoes and they think they can treat European women the way they treat the women left behind at home.

It is not safe to go out drinking and then leave night clubs alone with strangers, its not safe for young men or young women but young men have some chance of defending themselves, young women have none.

09-04-2018 12:16AM

irishrebe wrote: »

In an ideal world, yes.

And in the real world?

Not the one where women are as physically strong/capable as men, and aren't easier targets for violence or sexual assault.

Yet if we acknowledge getting the short end of the stick when it comes to being able to do whatever we want, we're called moaners and snowflakes.

You see, I find this interesting because the only posters saying women are moaners or snowflakes for doing so is yourself... claiming that many here are doing so. And the more obvious troll-like posters here looking to get a reaction. Very few of the regular posters have called women any such nonsense.

As I've been saying all along, you can't have it both ways.

And yet, that is exactly what you're expecting us to accept. Women are more vulnerable in society than men, but also they should be able to do all the things that men do, without having to take any extra precautions for their safety.

You can't criticise women for being wary of men and tell them they're liars when they recount experiences of harassment or worse and at the same time say it's common sense that women have to take more precautions (not using 'you' personally here, speaking in general).

I haven't criticised women for being wary of men. I would recommend women to be wary of men or women around them. I am. However... and I think here's the mixing up part... There is a difference between being wary of men around them, and calling/treating all men as rapists. It's about being careful rather than assuming the worst about others.

I've been tricked and robbed while dating abroad. I've brought a woman to my home who later opened the door to her friends while I was sleeping, robbed my apartment while her male friends beat the crap out of me. Do I assume all women are like that? No. I take precautions to reduce the chance of it happening again.

I have no idea what you know about how it is out there. It is surprising that you've fallen for scams and more than once.

There are a ****load of scams out there and some can be very subtle, especially when you're in a country with a different language than English. But then, also, sometimes something is just too good, and you want it to be that good. I've been foolish on more than one occasion.

Were you very naive when you started your travels?

Not really. Traveling for me wasn't such a problem since I've always been wary of strangers. Living abroad was a different experience.

And people 'going home broken'? Sorry, this is just ludicrous to me.

Yes, well, you've shown that there's quite a few things you can't accept.

I've lived in more places than you and have close friends who have lived in even more and far more dangerous places and none of them recognise this big bad scary world you describe, especially the men.

I listed a few places I've lived and you assume that you've lived in more places... or simply traveled to more places? Are we in the same age bracket? early 40s?

Where on earth were these people living that they went home broken?

Asia, Russia, and the M.East. Usually Americans who assumed that their culture and values were present in other countries, and couldn't understand how living (as they would at home) kept getting them into trouble. I've noticed that many westerners like to travel with an air of superiority as if to say their culture is much better than the one they're currently in and get surprised when the locals pick up on it.

Atoms for Peace · 09-04-2018 12:21AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Let me get this six Muslim men rape a woman ... all Muslim men a rapists. Let's expand on this logic: six men rape a woman... all men are rapists. Do you really want to go there?

The question is more about the wisdom allowing unrestricted waves of young men with very questionable credentials into Europe.

meeeeh · 09-04-2018 12:22AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

When a white many is caught doing any form of disdemeanour, you will get thousands of foaming at the mouth women rallying to the cause of the victim and personally villfying the perpetrator. I don't see any of the usual suspects trying to track down these men to try and shame them, trying to bring this to get attention of politicians, getting them sacked, whatever. The silence is deafening.

Perpetrator or perpetrators is the operatibe word, you want them to condemn whole group of people.

Btw there were quite a few very disturbing stories in newspapers last couple of weeks or months. Examples would be grooming their own kids for sex, two brothers raping two of their sisters, husband raping wife, very young boy allegedly raping girl. All those stories created very little publicity or reaction, some for obvious reasons some because they were not part of media circus. Just because your are not able to follow any news that doesn't include word Muslim or rugby it doesn't mean it's not happening.

meeeeh · 09-04-2018 12:28AM

Sign Up Now wrote: »

That is just the worst of many terrible crimes that have happened in Germany thanks to Merkel's guests. Now you see why illegal immigration is bad.

Two Irish men raped their sisters. Now this is a proof you should not have any female children if you give birth to a boy because Irish brothers obviously can't help themselves.

I 'm just using your excellent deduction capabilities...

Irish woman gang raped by 6 men in Czech hotel

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