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Porn is f*cked

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  • #92
    Hammer89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    daheff wrote: »
    Ah theres your problem...”dialogue”

    You want dialogue go watch a fancy film, you want sex you watch a porno....dialogue is an after thought. You can complain if the sex isnt up to scratch, but not if the dialogue is crap

    I don't care about the quality of the dialogue. It's what the dialogue implies which I found disturbing.


  • #93
    jaxxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    After rigourous hands on research, I can concur that porn is indeed ****ed up.

    Why is something always f**ked up? Why can't it ever be f**ked down? Or just simply even f**ked? Same same with something being underwhelming or overwhelming. Why can't it be just whelmed??


  • #94
    dxhound2005
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  • #95
    Stephen Gawking
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭Stephen Gawking


    Agricola wrote: »
    Yer just watching too much America stuff. Enter "Brit" into the searchbar. T'is all frumpy housewives out in the woods.

    Agreed 100% but the German stuff is just off the wall🀣 & as for the Japanese...


  • #96
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    Eighteen minutes later

    You watched a porn for 18 minutes.. Aren't you quite the endurance athlete :eek:

    Anything more than 5 minutes is a TV show.


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  • #97
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    I've just watched one where the step brother didn't get into the college he wanted. As a result the step sister appeased him in her own special way.

    The reason I watched the whole video was because is was Leah Gotti.


    I don't really care if it's incest related, I'll probably still watch this girls porn clips.


  • #98
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    'm guessing these sub-sections take algorithms out of the equation and actually just display the most popular content, which ought to back up what I'm saying

    Unless it's using simple marketing techniques on you by making you believe you're watching the most popular or top rated. The algorithms are part of any large site such as this, and it would be very simple to set up a system to display a top rated section based roughly on what you've watched.... Why are you expecting honesty from a porn site? (especially a free porn site)


  • #99
    Hammer89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Unless it's using simple marketing techniques on you by making you believe you're watching the most popular or top rated. The algorithms are part of any large site such as this, and it would be very simple to set up a system to display a top rated section based roughly on what you've watched.... Why are you expecting honesty from a porn site? (especially a free porn site)

    Why are you expecting dishonesty? Lying about what the most popular videos are - and manipulating the number of views on the videos - doesn't make any sense to me. Given the various facts, statistics and links to articles in this thread, it's been established that there is a major increase in incest-related porn, so maybe they are among the most popular content on porn sites.


  • #100
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    Why are you expecting dishonesty? Lying about what the most popular videos are - and manipulating the number of views on the videos - doesn't make any sense to me. Given the various facts, statistics and links to articles in this thread, it's been established that there is a major increase in incest-related porn, so maybe they are among the most popular content on porn sites.

    I'm afraid that I'd side with those that say you're being directed to previous searches. The relatively little porn I watch tends to be Asian, and the vast majority of recommendations on any sites show Asian links for me.

    There has been some growth in stepmother porn, the "young mother" series from Korea having been very popular but I haven't seen any incest (blood relation) related porn directed my way.

    TBH I'm a bit bemused why you're more freaked out about Incest porn versus the heaps of dodgy **** out there like necrophilia, excrement porn, gang bangs, rape porn etc. I haven't seen a rise in any particular area but still, there's a crap-ton of freaky porn out there to be uncomfortable about.


  • #101
    Hammer89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm afraid that I'd side with those that say you're being directed to previous searches. The relatively little porn I watch tends to be Asian, and the vast majority of recommendations on any sites show Asian links for me.

    We're not talking about recommendations though mate. We're talking about the 'top rated' and 'most viewed' sub-sections on porn websites.

    If you're the world's biggest fan of midget porn, and watch it nine times per day, then videos relating to that genre aren't going to start appearing on these sub-sections because these tabs are used to reflect what the masses are reacting to, the videos generating the most traffic. They aren't unique to the visitor. The trending videos on Porn Hub are the same for you as they are for me I'm guessing, so previous searches don't come into play.

    I don't even search incest porn by the way. I come across it because it appears on the sub-sections that I'm referring to and that's the basis behind OP, not home pages. If I knew there'd be an audit into my personal porn preferences I would've taken more care in wording the first post.


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  • #102
    daheff
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    Hammer89 wrote: »
    I don't care about the quality of the dialogue. It's what the dialogue implies which I found disturbing.

    then just put it on mute? solves your problem right?


  • #103
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    So.....you're saying there is some ebony, midget, incest porn out there?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #104
    beefburrito
    Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭beefburrito


    Im really Fckn twisted, I like devious looking Goth women covered with tattoos, in lingerie and electric blue hair is so Fckn intriguing....

    Kind of shiny blue hair with black through it...


  • #105
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    OP usually the front page of those sites contains porn tailored to what you have looked up before.


  • #106
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Had a look at the top yearly list on pornhub. All incest porn. That's miui browser on my phone, which I never use, over 4g so it's nothing to do with browsing history.


  • #107
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    They say that porn is an extension of your fantasy.
    As in if you're a white guy who wants to do a Japanese woman you'll gravitate towards watching some hot Japanese girl with some white guy. So it is creepy that incest porn tops the genre.


  • #108
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    Instead, the basis is actually in the 'top rated' and 'most viewed' sections of these websites

    I would be hesitant to believe those are accurate either, and not also tailored to the user. But I have never tested it. It would be interesting to test across some of the more popular sites if completely different users can shown the same results on those widgets.

    But I certainly would not take it's word for it until checking. My suspicion would be that such widgets look at what YOU personally like, then suggest things as "popular" that the site suspects you would be susceptible to based on your own preferences.

    At least that would be how I would design it if I wanted to maximize user clicks, and user face time.
    Hammer89 wrote: »
    I don't care about the quality of the dialogue. It's what the dialogue implies which I found disturbing.

    And did you read the link to the article I sent you? Did it explain anything or put your mind even partially to rest on the matter?
    Hammer89 wrote: »
    Why are you expecting dishonesty? Lying about what the most popular videos are - and manipulating the number of views on the videos - doesn't make any sense to me.

    Yet it does to me.

    The first thing would be the psychological benefit of making a user think their own porn habits are popular or accepted or "ok". For example if you were into incest porn and felt bad about this.... an algorithm showing you that most other users are watching incest porn would make you feel better about this.

    I also mentioned above susceptibility. Algorithms know well things like "users who liked X also liked Y". Amazon has multiple algorithms of this type for example. So if the system knows that people seeking "MILF" or "Sex with the babysitter" also tend to be susceptible to incest porn, then it is likely the algorithm would be designed to inform you that "incest porn" is popular on the site.

    At all points the algorithm has clear defined goals. 1) Make you click on more vidoes 2) Make you spend more time on videos and 3) Ensure you are likely to return.

    I do not think anyone is denying there has been SOME increase in incest porn here. I know I am not denying that. But I do not think A) It is as large or as recent as you believe B) That it has any implications or issues that we should be concerned with C) That you are making clear what your concerns actually are here or D) That it means "Porn is Fcked" rather than it simply means porn is a manifestation of society as a whole and blaming porn for it is an error.


  • #109
    Hammer89
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    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    I would be hesitant to believe those are accurate either, and not also tailored to the user. But I have never tested it. It would be interesting to test across some of the more popular sites if completely different users can shown the same results on those widgets.

    But I certainly would not take it's word for it until checking. My suspicion would be that such widgets look at what YOU personally like, then suggest things as "popular" that the site suspects you would be susceptible to based on your own preferences.

    I think you're overlooking the fact that it's NOT my preference. I don't go out of my way to search for content of this nature, so the fact it shows up in these sub-sections nevertheless is undeniable proof that the websites aren't manipulating anything or anyone, and that videos relating to that genre really are that popular among the masses.


  • #110
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    I think you're overlooking the fact that it's NOT my preference.

    Nope, think you just misread what I wrote. You seem to have put "incest porn" into the first half of my sentence instead of the latter. Read the sentence again and put "incest porn" into the "susceptible" part of the sentence instead and you will find it has another entirely different meaning.


  • #111
    Kirby
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    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    They say that porn is an extension of your fantasy.
    As in if you're a white guy who wants to do a Japanese woman you'll gravitate towards watching some hot Japanese girl with some white guy. So it is creepy that incest porn tops the genre.

    Does it though? Is it the most popular? Or is its popularity artificial. Is it just a coincedental cycle? Hear me out.

    Mr. X goes looking for some porn. The top videos are all incest videos. He's not really into that at all but the best looking actresses are all in these videos so he watches them anyway. Not what he would prefer but he has a thing for Chesty LaRoux and thats what she's in.

    Cut back to the studios making porn. They want to make as much money as possible so they put their best "talent" into videos involving incest because the statistics say they are the most watched.

    Mr. X goes looking for..... and so the cycle continues.

    Maybe I'm reaching here and maybe its just because this partiular fetish doesn't interest me at all. But It sort of makes sense. Either that or people are completely f*cked up. I'd rather believe my coincedence theory than the majority of people like incest. Ugh.


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  • #112
    pickarooney
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    I don't see what's so hard to fathom to be honest. Rape fantasies are massively popular amongst women, largely because it's so wrong. The taboo is a huge turn-on across the spectrum.


  • #113
    Hammer89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    Nope, think you just misread what I wrote. You seem to have put "incest porn" into the first half of my sentence instead of the latter. Read the sentence again and put "incest porn" into the "susceptible" part of the sentence instead and you will find it has another entirely different meaning.

    Not sure I understand what you're saying, but I do understand that I'm no more susceptible to incest porn than I am pissing porn based on previous searches and yet no videos from the latter genre appear in the highest rated or most viewed sections of certain websites.


  • #114
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    Not sure I understand what you're saying, but I do understand that I'm no more susceptible to incest porn

    Ah but it is not about YOU. I think that is where your error might lie. Algorithms work with generalities not specifics. It knows nothing about you.

    An algorithm will see "More often than not people who like A B and C also usually like D".

    The algorithm might notice YOU like A B and C..... so it starts trying to entice you to D. Either by directly recommending videos to you, or by convincing you with "top 10" lists that it is popular with other users.

    It does not mean you actually like D. You might in fact entirely HATE it. But the algorithm merely treats it as a good bet based on other data. And more often than not it will win the bet. With you it lost the bet.


  • #115
    facehugger99
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    There's no doubt there's loads on incest porn, I've never searched for it but it regularly appears on the most viewed/most popular results page.

    Not sure why people are trying to deny it or blame the OP's search history.


  • #116
    Hammer89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    Ah but it is not about YOU. I think that is where your error might lie. Algorithms work with generalities not specifics. It knows nothing about you.

    An algorithm will see "More often than not people who like A B and C also usually like D".

    The algorithm might notice YOU like A B and C..... so it starts trying to entice you to D. Either by directly recommending videos to you, or by convincing you with "top 10" lists that it is popular with other users.

    It does not mean you actually like D. You might in fact entirely HATE it. But the algorithm merely treats it as a good bet based on other data. And more often than not it will win the bet. With you it lost the bet.

    Right, so previous searches in no way influences what I see on the most viewed or highest rated pages. You could pick up a brand new phone and search Porn Hub on it, and you'd see an identical list of videos in these sub-sections that a hardened (pun intended) user of that site would see.


  • #117
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    Right, so previous searches in no way influences what I see on the most viewed or highest rated pages.

    As I said I do not know. I have never tested it. I would by surprised if you are correct here. I would be VERY surprised if it didn't influence the results. I would very much expect what a site claims is the most viewed is somehow based on either your history or the personal history of some category the site puts you in.

    What I would say is that it is naive to assume they put lists and data like that on sites and specific videos just to be helpful and informative. There is an agenda there, there always is. And most of those agendas would be better served by manipulating the results at some level.

    It is interesting how intricate and detailed algorithms can be. Do you know for example that if you and I sat beside each other and joined netflix at the same time and scrolled around.... quite quickly we would start seeing differences in what we are offered. Even before we even actually watch anything.

    But what is interesting is that not only would be be offered different things, we would even be offered the SAME things but with DIFFERENT pictures. The algorithms basically work out what kind of thumbnails attract you most often and will select thumbnails based on that.

    So if you were clicking on a lot of hot babes, while I was clicking on a lot of weapons, we might both get offered "Marvel Iron Fist" but my thumbnail will be of Iron Fist in a post with a sword and yours would be of Jessica Henwick in short pants.
    Hammer89 wrote: »
    You could pick up a brand new phone and search Porn Hub on it, and you'd see an identical list of videos in these sub-sections that a hardened (pun intended) user of that site would see.

    I doubt that too for the same reasons. Also just picking up a brand new phone does not mean the algorithms do not have SOME things to work with. They can guess a lot from your IP for example.

    They can tell what country you are in for example (As I said yesterday when I opened up some sites to test I got a lot of videos about German Women, because I live in Germany.)

    They can also tell what network you are on. If you are on a cheapy cheap provider they might offer you different porn than they would someone on a Business Class provider. (Just guessing here, just to show you the KIND of things that can be done).

    Even the time of day you log on could be used to influence results. They might know, for example, that people logging on in the day spend less time watching than they do at night. So they will tailor results to shorter video clips there.

    So no, I really do not expect many users get shown identical lists at all. They each get shown the lists the algorithm deems most likely to attract and retain and even expand the users interest.


  • #118
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,135 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    I’d say there’s a lot of lads who can’t get a boner in real life cause of all the nasty porn they are watchin’. Sitting at home pulling the wire off themself and gettin’ angry about womenfolk afterwards. Approach that stuff with extreme caution lads. Not healthy. Develop some good memories for the wankbank if your’e experiencing a famine.
    BoatMad wrote: »
    I saw a documentary on Netflix that seems to suggest that most porn these days is non professional , so I dont think , But Ive no proof, that theres " lots of lads" having any sort of issues

    if you can provide some reliable statistics, Id gladly revise my opinion
    Listen to a podcast called The Butterfly Effect by Jon Ronson, it's just 6 short episodes, it confirms what you guessed. It's about the effect of the guy who started pórnhub and made streaming easily available. This generation of teens to mid 20's are having less sex than previous generations and erectile dysfunction has gone up 10 fold in the same age group. All because with streaming websites, mobile technology and fast internet you can have pretty much any video of what ever category of porn you want within 10 seconds. People have it on tap, the days of looking at the bra section of Family Album for a quick wánk are long gone


  • #119
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    ^ There is of course a correlation-causation issue there which would need to be checked and substantiated against. Even if there is an increase in streamed porn (I have no doubt) and there has been an increase in erectile dysfunction or a decrease in sexual events in teens (I have some doubts, though you cited no numbers) that alone does not mean the two are in any way connected. The NoFap movement would want you to assume the causal link of course, but so far as presented it is correlation.


  • #120
    garbo speaks
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    Cienciano wrote: »
    With streaming websites, mobile technology and fast internet you can have pretty much any video of what ever category of porn you want within 10 seconds. People have it on tap, the days of looking at the bra section of Family Album for a quick wánk are long gone

    Thank goodness. I love PornHub.


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  • #121
    timmy880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭timmy880


    Perhaps this is just the return of the "genre"........? Didn't that Kay Parker lady make incest porn a huge thing in the 70's? All about the taboo. Then it probably went away for 20-30 years because - well who really wants to think about incest?

    Anyway, as a casual browser of the auld porn sites when the wife isn't around, I've not seen much of it. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places??


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