Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

tayto lover · 03-04-2018 11:00PM

dense wrote: »

But can you imagine a garda directing that certain people/a certain person should receive some sort of special treatment?

That (whether as a result of this phone call or not) appears to be the case, going on what this thread is saying.

But we don't know any of these things for sure. It's all speculation. The garda featured on the programme said that there was no phone call but i recall another garda saying that there was. How do you prove a phone call and unless you hear the voice and know it how do you prove who it was or what was said? The whole thing for me boils down to what happened on the day at or near the house and someone there knows exactly what happened and who was responsible. The answer lies at the house.

dense · 04-04-2018 11:53AM

tayto lover wrote: »

But we don't know any of these things for sure.

Agreed 100%; but should there not be a process established now to determine the truth surrounding these allegations?

What did happen and what didn't happen?

An external process that won't be steered by the gardai or anyone else involved in saving face?

AudreyHepburn · 04-04-2018 12:22PM

dense wrote: »

Agreed 100%; but should there not be a process established now to determine the truth surrounding these allegations?

What did happen and what didn't happen?

An external process that won't be steered by the gardai or anyone else involved in saving face?

Perhaps the Garda Ombudsman or the Department of Justice could take over?

To be honest though unless and until the people closest to Mary develop consciences and start talking it’s going to be next to impossible to figure out the truth.

tayto lover · 04-04-2018 12:29PM

dense wrote: »

Agreed 100%; but should there not be a process established now to determine the truth surrounding these allegations?

What did happen and what didn't happen?

An external process that won't be steered by the gardai or anyone else involved in saving face?

I would have no problem with that as long as it didn't effect the main issue of what happened to Mary and didn't sidetrack or diminish it.

oranbhoy67 · 04-04-2018 04:57PM

Interview from Marys mother that was aired today on Ocean FM

https://www.oceanfm.ie/2018/04/04/i-know-nothing-about-her-disappearance-mother-of-missing-donegal-girl-hits-back-at-allegations/

dense · 05-04-2018 03:44PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I would have no problem with that as long as it didn't effect the main issue of what happened to Mary and didn't sidetrack or diminish it.

Getting to the truth of everything else shouldn't do that, it would serve to find out what happened.

curlymo · 05-04-2018 11:04PM

Watching "The Investigator" on TV3 tonight with Mark -Thomas Williams investigating the case of missing person Louise Kay who disappeared in 1988 from Eastbourne in Sussex. He is connecting serial killer Peter Tobin to her murder. Has he Peter Tobin ever been checked out in connection to Mary Boyles disappearance ?. Apparently he has admitted to killing up to 48 people and buried the bodies in gardens wherever he lived . He has lived in various places in Scotland and England during the 70'and 80's. Peter Tobin is originally from Glasgow.

Ipso · 05-04-2018 11:50PM

Why would he travel to somewhere in the middle of nowhere in the hope of running into someone to kidnap?

dense · 07-04-2018 09:25PM

curlymo wrote: »

Watching "The Investigator" on TV3 tonight with Mark -Thomas Williams investigating the case of missing person Louise Kay who disappeared in 1988 from Eastbourne in Sussex. He is connecting serial killer Peter Tobin to her murder. Has he Peter Tobin ever been checked out in connection to Mary Boyles disappearance ?. Apparently he has admitted to killing up to 48 people and buried the bodies in gardens wherever he lived . He has lived in various places in Scotland and England during the 70'and 80's. Peter Tobin is originally from Glasgow.

How can he possibly be connected to this particular case?

Gorgeousgeorge · 09-04-2018 08:53AM

its quiet clear what happened and who did it, but in the name of jaysus why noting has been done about it is beyond me

Johnboy1951 · 09-04-2018 09:48AM

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

its quiet clear what happened and who did it, but in the name of jaysus why noting has been done about it is beyond me

Obviously there is no proof and that is why nothing has, or can be done, unless and until someone comes forward with something concrete ....... which is highly unlikely after all this time.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 09-04-2018 12:05PM

Obviously there is no proof and that is why nothing has, or can be done, unless and until someone comes forward with something concrete

people cannot accept that and blame the garda and this thread goes round in circles. There are other cases in similar situations where people have info and will not come forward

One of these cases is an example http://tracemissingpersonsireland.ie/irelands-missing-6/ I cannot remember which one maybe even more than one

oranbhoy67 · 09-04-2018 02:02PM

dense wrote: »

How can he possibly be connected to this particular case?

the Chapel were Peter Tobin killed and buried the poor Polish girl was one I was in a few times before, my great Aunt went there and it was frequented by a lot of Irish in Glasgow, most of whom are from Donegal, or Donegal Descent

But a stranger never went in and took Mary, It would have been impossible without being noticed in that day and age

oranbhoy67 · 09-04-2018 02:07PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Obviously there is no proof and that is why nothing has or can be done, unless and until someone comes forward with something concrete ....... which is highly unlikely after all this time.

It never stopped the Gards getting a warrant to arrest Bryan McMahon who was serving time in Prison for abusing Boys not much younger than he was at the time of the crimes (I'm not excusing it in any way, just pointing out its not the same type of crime as murdering and disappearing a young girl.)

It is the retired Gards on the case belief that the suspect would crack if interrogated correctly. so why hasn't he been?

Also, I have recently read all witness statements from the day Mary went missing.

.. No wonder they are so scared of an inquest is all I can say when they cant get there stories right the day after she went missing they will find it even harder now.

Gorgeousgeorge · 09-04-2018 02:07PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Obviously there is no proof and that is why nothing has, or can be done, unless and until someone comes forward with something concrete ....... which is highly unlikely after all this time.

plenty of proof did you watch either documentaries? stories dont add up? stories being changed.

suppose its not rock solid proof but it must be enough to warrant the case being more closely investigated

by8auj6csd3ioq · 09-04-2018 05:28PM

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Obviously there is no proof and that is why nothing has, or can be done, unless and until someone comes forward with something concrete ....... which is highly unlikely after all this time.

plenty of proof did you watch either documentaries? stories dont add up? stories being changed.

suppose its not rock solid proof but it must be enough to warrant the case being more closely investigated

What closer investigation can they do when people won't come forward?

Gorgeousgeorge · 10-04-2018 03:15PM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

What closer investigation can they do when people won't come forward?

would they be heard if they did

tayto lover · 10-04-2018 04:24PM

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

would they be heard if they did

They could come forward with their solicitor surely.
Why do you feel they wouldn't be heard?

If there are people with information out there still then they must have hearts of stone to let this case go unsloved.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 10-04-2018 10:13PM

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

What closer investigation can they do when people won't come forward?

would they be heard if they did

who do you mean would not hear them, the gardai?

oranbhoy67 · 22-05-2018 04:01PM

Ocean Fms piece about Mary yesterday where they speak to Marys Mother, Marys twin, Margo O Donnell & myself

razor8 · 22-05-2018 09:25PM

So frustrating listening to it. It’s just unbelievable the gardai haven’t done more

Ann the mother mentioned her brother Michael been accused but didn’t mention her brother in law. Did I pick that up right?

oranbhoy67 · 23-05-2018 03:36AM

razor8 wrote: »

So frustrating listening to it. It’s just unbelievable the gardai haven’t done more

Ann the mother mentioned her brother Michael been accused but didn’t mention her brother in law. Did I pick that up right?

she didn't say he had been accused but she said something was said about him in the documentary .. which as far as I recall wasn't, he passed away a few years ago
I think it is very telling that the person we who we do believe killed Mary is never brought up by her mother

*edit sorry she did say people were accusing her brother Michael, we aren't and haven't, he wasn't there that day.

razor8 · 23-05-2018 11:43AM

Very strange she would mention Michael but not highlight the other

She seems to have blocked things from her memory as some kind of coping mechanism

Creol1 · 23-05-2018 02:20PM

razor8 wrote: »

Very strange she would mention Michael but not highlight the other

She seems to have blocked things from her memory as some kind of coping mechanism

I know in the documentary there was a reference to a man coming to the Guards crying and saying he knew who killed Mary -- I think that might have been Michael, although he wasn't named.

oranbhoy67 · 23-05-2018 07:18PM

Creol1 wrote: »

I know in the documentary there was a reference to a man coming to the Guards crying and saying he knew who killed Mary -- I think that might have been Michael, although he wasn't named.

you are on the right track

Creol1 · 23-05-2018 08:11PM

Did I pick it up right that Mrs Boyle said her son Charlie had committed suicide?

by8auj6csd3ioq · 20-06-2018 06:48PM

Is there any update ?

Shergar6 · 06-07-2018 12:29AM

I will never understand how that mother can protect her child's killer. She was obviously going around telling certain people that he killed her so it's not like she was that afraid ..

dense · 06-07-2018 09:23AM

Creol1 wrote: »

Did I pick it up right that Mrs Boyle said her son Charlie had committed suicide?

??

Charlie was her husband who died in a fishing accident.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/missing-girls-father-one-of-three-tragic-drownings-in-five-hours-25976360.html

dense · 06-07-2018 09:25AM

Creol1 wrote: »

I know in the documentary there was a reference to a man coming to the Guards crying and saying he knew who killed Mary -- I think that might have been Michael, although he wasn't named.

I'd wondered about that. It makes more sense now.

Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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