Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

tayto lover

When she followed the uncle towards the neighbour's house and then supposedly turned back did the uncle give any explanation as to why?
Just wondering if she feared anyone.

qhe0i9zvfgdou8

tayto lover wrote:

When she followed the uncle towards the neighbour's house and then supposedly turned back did the uncle give any explanation as to why?

She never turned back I'm afraid

oranbhoy67

tayto lover wrote: »

When she followed the uncle towards the neighbour's house and then supposedly turned back did the uncle give any explanation as to why?
Just wondering if she feared anyone.

He said there was a deep puddle that she didn't want to cross.. according to which report you read, in other accounts he told her to go back, in others she told him she was going back, and in any that I have seen him televised he says "she quit speaking"

mikeymouse

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

He said there was a deep puddle that she didn't want to cross.. according to which report you read, in other accounts he told her to go back, in others she told him she was going back, and in any that I have seen him televised he says "she quit speaking"

I seem to remember there was yet another report (I don't know which one,without going through the whole thread)
where she asked where they were going, and
she said "I don't want to go to that house" and turned around.
Her mother on last night's program said "that house" was not visible from the point where she turned around.
It's hard to imagine an (responsible) adult permitting a 7yr old to go back over that distance and terrain .
That phrase "She quit spaaking " keeps coming back into my head,
This old historic map has an old bohareen almost connecting the two properties, which is probably the route they would have taken
,if indeed they went that way at all.
Use the overlay slider to transpose the maps ,
the neighbours house is on the right where a well indicated and the old lane
leads off to the left to near the family home

dense

mikeymouse wrote: »

I seem to remember there was yet another report (I don't know which one,without going through the whole thread)
where she asked where they were going, and
she said "I don't want to go to that house" and turned around.
Her mother on last night's program said "that house" was not visible from the point where she turned around.
It's hard to imagine an (responsible) adult permitting a 7yr old to go back over that distance and terrain .
That phrase "She quit spaaking " keeps coming back into my head,
This old historic map has an old bohareen almost connecting the two properties, which is probably the route they would have taken
,if indeed they went that way at all.
Use the overlay slider to transpose the maps ,
the neighbours house is on the right where a well indicated and the old lane
leads off to the left to near the family home

Never heard that about not wanting to go to that house, are you sure about that? (Have heard the others )

tayto lover

mikeymouse wrote: »

I seem to remember there was yet another report (I don't know which one,without going through the whole thread)
where she asked where they were going, and
she said "I don't want to go to that house" and turned around.
Her mother on last night's program said "that house" was not visible from the point where she turned around.
It's hard to imagine an (responsible) adult permitting a 7yr old to go back over that distance and terrain .
That phrase "She quit spaaking " keeps coming back into my head,
This old historic map has an old bohareen almost connecting the two properties, which is probably the route they would have taken
,if indeed they went that way at all.
Use the overlay slider to transpose the maps ,
the neighbours house is on the right where a well indicated and the old lane
leads off to the left to near the family home

Wonder why?

mikeymouse

dense wrote: »

Never heard that about not wanting to go to that house, are you sure about that? (Have heard the others )

I'll see if I can find it.
I think was the mothers words ,I could be wrong.

oranbhoy67

Check here for some discrepancies in the story throughout the years, just some of many ( im not trying to get facebook traffic it would just be easier to post this instead of having to upload the images

https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForMaryBoyle/?hc_ref=ARQUeokHJiiQremtS6HpM-7ubt-Z1X8RrEe_ZtzZh8upIZWyn2akJR3p9sPqUurw22E

tayto lover

Has the local man who is being blamed ever come out to deny it or give his account?

oranbhoy67

tayto lover wrote: »

Has the local man who is being blamed ever come out to deny it or give his account?

never came out publicly and denied it no, but he was in the documentary speaking the other night for a brief few seconds in a clip from an old RTE show about Mary though they didn't identify him as a suspect on it

dense

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

Check here for some discrepancies in the story throughout the years, just some of many ( im not trying to get facebook traffic it would just be easier to post this instead of having to upload the images

https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForMaryBoyle/?hc_ref=ARQUeokHJiiQremtS6HpM-7ubt-Z1X8RrEe_ZtzZh8upIZWyn2akJR3p9sPqUurw22E

Just had a look through some of the photos.

Saw this about a cardigan
https://scontent-dub4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/24293883_715236591998589_4756649459408845639_n.png.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=bd0413bed093dbc554f2458b5776bbc6&oe=5B36A572

and I remembered that in the repeat of the Prime Time Special the other night, a big deal was made of showing, for the first time, a photo of a cardigan and boots similar to what Mary was wearing.

It struck me as highly odd that this was the First time these were being shown!

Why the awful delay??? Seems strange....

Just wondering what became of that man and the cardigan he found??

tayto lover

dense wrote: »

Just had a look through some of the photos.

Saw this about a cardigan
https://scontent-dub4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/24293883_715236591998589_4756649459408845639_n.png.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=bd0413bed093dbc554f2458b5776bbc6&oe=5B36A572

and I remembered that in the repeat of the Prime Time Special the other night, a big deal was made of showing, for the first time, a photo of a cardigan and boots similar to what Mary was wearing.

It struck me as highly odd that this was the First time these were being shown!

Why the awful delay??? Seems strange....

Just wondering what became of that man and the cardigan he found??

Also Mary's mother spoke about a roll of sweets that was broken in half and
given to the girls and that a similar sweet paper was found in the hedge near the road yet the uncle spoke about it being a packet of crisps Mary had.
Lots of discrepencies in many accounts and these could have led to the wrong areas being searched.

Dtp1979

Is the uncle still alive?

qhe0i9zvfgdou8

Dtp1979 wrote:

Is the uncle still alive?

Yes

Creol1

tayto lover wrote: »

Also Mary's mother spoke about a roll of sweets that was broken in half and
given to the girls and that a similar sweet paper was found in the hedge near the road yet the uncle spoke about it being a packet of crisps Mary had.
Lots of discrepencies in many accounts and these could have led to the wrong areas being searched.

The area where she went missing was searched meticulously except the grandparents' house and the uncle's car. The subaqua squad searched (and might have even drained, I'm not sure) the lakes; if she had died accidentally, she would definitely have been found.

dense

tayto lover wrote: »

Also Mary's mother spoke about a roll of sweets that was broken in half and
given to the girls and that a similar sweet paper was found in the hedge near the road yet the uncle spoke about it being a packet of crisps Mary had.
Lots of discrepencies in many accounts and these could have led to the wrong areas being searched.

Yes I'd never heard of a packet of sweets being shared between the girls before that either.

Johnboy1951

dense wrote: »

Yes I'd never heard of a packet of sweets being shared between the girls before that either.

Then you have lived a very sheltered and comfortable life or are just too young to realise how people lived back then in rural areas.

iamwhoiam

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Then you have lived a very sheltered and comfortable life or are just too young to realise how people lived back then in rural areas.

The poster didn't say never heard of it before ! She / he said never heeard it about these girls !
I still till this day could be seen to snap a packet in half to share out !!

Johnboy1951

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The poster didn't say never heard of it before ! She / he said never heeard it about these girls !
I still till this day could be seen to snap a packet in half to share out !!

Then I apologise for mis-reading the post.

iamwhoiam

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Then I apologise for mis-reading the post.

Have a half packet of Spangles !

Johnboy1951

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Have a half packet of Spangles !

Do I get the big half?

qhe0i9zvfgdou8

Johnboy1951 wrote:

Then you have lived a very sheltered and comfortable life or are just too young to realise how people lived back then in rural areas.

I think he meant he never heard of it in relation to this case.

Muahahaha

Is there a protest tomorrow in Dublin for Mary Boyle? If so any details?

oranbhoy67

Muahahaha wrote: »

Is there a protest tomorrow in Dublin for Mary Boyle? If so any details?

not that i heard off no

Muahahaha

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

not that i heard off no

oh right thanks. Thought I had heard something about an Easter Monday march, my bad

Creol1

This is a remarkable story. The Garda have ignored a key person of interest for 41 years and yet it would seem went to great lengths to track down and prosecute the sender of "hate mail" to Mrs Anne Boyle.

I have to say I've never heard of hate mail being sent to a grieving relative of a missing person before, so why in this case? Other people reading this article who aren't familiar with the case may well be wondering the same thing.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/missing-mary-boyle-hate-mail-suspect-dies-468933.html

dense

Creol1 wrote: »

This is a remarkable story. The Garda have ignored a key person of interest for 41 years and yet it would seem went to great lengths to track down and prosecute the sender of "hate mail" to Mrs Anne Boyle.

I have to say I've never heard of hate mail being sent to a grieving relative of a missing person before, so why in this case? Other people reading this article who aren't familiar with the case may well be wondering the same thing.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/missing-mary-boyle-hate-mail-suspect-dies-468933.html

That was mentioned in the closing titles of the repeat the other night.

Priorities seem to be mixed up in this investigation.

Certainly it is commendable that an investigation to discover who the sender was was so successful, what is less clear is why a garda "review" of the case by gardai is ongoing since 2011, with no end in sight.

At least they will be able to commend themselves for promptly solving one part of this case.

Solving the case itself and concluding the review and publishing it seems lower down the list of priorities.

This self review will not be concluded nor will it be published.

It will remain under lock and key if it is a real review.

A whitewash report may well be published, exonerating the methods and participants of the original investigation.

There will understandably be no rush to self publish a damning critique of their own work.

That would require a Tribunal of Inquiry, something that should now be demanded.

There is enough to start with, the coroner system, the garda system, the unproven allegations of political interference.

A Tribunal would get to the bottom of a lot of it.

tayto lover

dense wrote: »

That was mentioned in the closing titles of the repeat the other night.

Priorities seem to be mixed up in this investigation.

Certainly it is commendable that an investigation to discover who the sender was was so successful, what is less clear is why a garda "review" of the case by gardai is ongoing since 2011, with no end in sight.

At least they will be able to commend themselves for promptly solving one part of this case.

Solving the case itself and concluding the review and publishing it seems lower down the list of priorities.

This self review will not be concluded nor will it be published.

It will remain under lock and key if it is a real review.

A whitewash report may well be published, exonerating the methods and participants of the original investigation.

There will understandably be no rush to self publish a damning critique of their own work.

That would require a Tribunal of Inquiry, something that should now be demanded.

There is enough to start with, the coroner system, the garda system, the unproven allegations of political interference.

A Tribunal would get to the bottom of a lot of it.

I'd say back in the 1970@s there were little or no methods on investigating missing persons in Donegal.
I can't find a single case of a missing person in that part of the country before this case. I'd also say that they were doing their best with what they had at the time without the hindsight we have now. They had loads of people out searching and a sub aqua team searching the water and a helicopter in the air.
From watching the programme the other night there seems to be a difference of opinion on whether a phone call was made to the station or not when the suspect was being interviewed.
It's easy to be wise after the event. I can't imagine any garda not wanting to find the little girl's body as it would make no sense at all. I dearly wish that she is found and will continue to pray for that.

dense

tayto lover wrote: »

It's easy to be wise after the event. I can't imagine any garda not wanting to find the little girl's body as it would make no sense at all.

But can you imagine a garda directing that certain people/a certain person should receive some sort of special treatment?

That (whether as a result of this phone call or not) appears to be the case, going on what this thread is saying.

oranbhoy67

dense wrote: »

That was mentioned in the closing titles of the repeat the other night.

Priorities seem to be mixed up in this investigation.

Certainly it is commendable that an investigation to discover who the sender was was so successful, what is less clear is why a garda "review" of the case by gardai is ongoing since 2011, with no end in sight.

At least they will be able to commend themselves for promptly solving one part of this case.

Solving the case itself and concluding the review and publishing it seems lower down the list of priorities.

This self review will not be concluded nor will it be published.

It will remain under lock and key if it is a real review.

A whitewash report may well be published, exonerating the methods and participants of the original investigation.

There will understandably be no rush to self publish a damning critique of their own work.

That would require a Tribunal of Inquiry, something that should now be demanded.

There is enough to start with, the coroner system, the garda system, the unproven allegations of political interference.

A Tribunal would get to the bottom of a lot of it.

The most recent Cold case review has concluded, the second since 2011, the findings from it just get sent back to the original Garda station anyway ( Ballyshannon) .. its just more stalling tactics IMO