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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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  • #7412
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Again the sensationalist over reaction.

    The point is the behaviour outlined, combined, will dramatcally reduce your odds of a bad experience.
    I DID NOT SAY what you are implying.

    You are the one who is sensationalising. You’re speaking as though a bit of skirt has the potential to turn an average bloke into a rapist.
    Okay so let’s take all 3 variables- drink, short skirt, rapey man.

    So what you’re saying is if I wear my special rape proof onesie on this occasion it’ll reduce my chances of being raped by the rapey man?

    Rapists don’t care about what you’re wearing. Since their sole aim is to remove your clothes I think they’re seen more of a hindrance than anything.

    There isn’t a short skirt out there that has the power to change a non rapey man into a rapey one. If he’s gonna rape he’s going to do it regardless of what you’re wearing.
    But hey. Don’t let that get in the way of you putting some of the blame on the woman’s shoulders for having the audacity to wear what she wants.


  • #7413
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    optogirl wrote: »
    Stop telling women what they should or shouldn't wear and to expect rape as a result of a clothing choice. It's not on.

    Stop telling men they don't understand consent.


  • #7414
    Game Face MCGee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Game Face MCGee


    optogirl wrote: »
    Game Face MCGee wrote: »
    While you say its for everyone in reality its aimed a young men and boys(just look at the medias portrayal of this and the undertone of the concept. its clearly aimed at men and not the population as a whole)
    The second point on it is what will it achieve. men go through formal sex education right now, which teaches safe sex but if the STI stats and young pregnancy stats show that "formal" education isn't really doing much is it? so what will be so different about consent classes? other than satisfy a cohort of society who will believe that men are sexual deviant and closeted rapists that need to be controlled and educated.

    Who thinks men are closeted rapists? The women on here saying I'll wear what I like and go to any party I like or the men saying that's foolish? The men & boys we are referring to are our sons, nephews, brothers, husbands, cousins, friends etc - just as very few of them are deviants, very few people believe all men to be so. I think young boys & girls need better sex education - the focus at the moment is very much on STIs and not getting pregnant and one-off encounters. There is very little on the amount of fun you can have  - in particular the amount of safe fun you can have. There is very little on what is good practice in a sexual relationship & what are good ways of communicating with each other. All of this can surely only help. All young people can be taught to have more confidence in these relationships & be more explicit about what is OK and what is not and how to approach those conversations with your partner.
    if very few are deviants why tar then all with the brush and say they need formal education on the matter? contrary to popular belief, education beings at home. yes formal education sets you up for a career, expands your  knowledge etc.. but can you tell me hand on heart that your moral compass, how you live you life and what respect you have for fellow humans was learnt in school and not at home. I know where I got those thing from anyway


  • #7415
    Appledreams15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Appledreams15


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Its not like anything nasty has ever happened in Cologne or Stockholm. It's just Ireland with the rape culture.
    You should be grand.

    So, would you like to be a woman in the world today?


  • #7416
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    optogirl wrote: »
    Who thinks men are closeted rapists? The women on here saying I'll wear what I like and go to any party I like or the men saying that's foolish? The men & boys we are referring to are our sons, nephews, brothers, husbands, cousins, friends etc - just as very few of them are deviants, very few people believe all men to be so. I think young boys & girls need better sex education - the focus at the moment is very much on STIs and not getting pregnant and one-off encounters. There is very little on the amount of fun you can have - in particular the amount of safe fun you can have. There is very little on what is good practice in a sexual relationship & what are good ways of communicating with each other. All of this can surely only help. All young people can be taught to have more confidence in these relationships & be more explicit about what is OK and what is not and how to approach those conversations with your partner.

    ^^^ nail on head


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  • #7417
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Clothing designed to titilate and arouse coupled with excessive amounts of drink will send the wrong messages or result in the wrong messages being received.

    They are connected.
    Well, if men can't have a few drinks without getting the wrong message maybe they're the ones who should cut down on the drinking.


  • #7418
    Appledreams15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Appledreams15


    kylith wrote: »
    Well, if men can't have a few drinks without getting the wrong message maybe they're the ones who should cut down on the drinking.

    20 drinks SO.

    Anyone see the new pic of PJ on the night, looking absolutely off his face


  • #7419
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,932 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    optogirl wrote: »
    Why is it that every time a woman posts here you call them hysterical or sensationalist? I see absolutely no hysteria from anyone but I do see a lot of outdated rubbish with no grounding in fact.

    Make sure and tell your attacker/equally drunk stranger that he/she is engaging in 'outraged rubbish' when you are alone and pissed in a strange house.

    Sure everything will be fine then.


  • #7420
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    So, would you like to be a woman in the world today?

    I'll give you the same advice I give my girls:
    Mind yourself.
    Stick with friends.
    Be careful of where you're at and who you are with.

    BTW. I give the same advice to my grandson.


  • #7421
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭optogirl


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Stop telling men they don't understand consent.

    I haven't done that though have I? That particular leap is all your own.


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  • #7422
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/application-to-lift-reporting-restrictions-on-belfast-rape-trial-to-be-heard-next-week-36773969.html
    AN APPLICATION by various media outlets to lift reporting restrictions on the Belfast rape trial will come before the trial judge next Monday.

    A preliminary application on the matter was made before the Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland, Sir Declan Morgan, this morning.

    Sir Morgan said the trial judge, Judge Patricia Smyth, was aware of the application and was available next week to consider it.

    The Lord Chief Justice said he was aware of the argument that “news was perishable” and it was on that basis that the application would be dealt with expeditiously.

    Last Wednesday, Irish and Ulster rugby stars Paddy Jackson (26) and Stuart Olding (25) were acquitted by a jury of eight men and three women of raping a then 19-year-old student at Jackson’s home in June 2016.

    Anyone know what these reporting restrictions the media want lifted might be?


  • #7423
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,204 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    optogirl wrote: »
    Who thinks men are closeted rapists? The women on here saying I'll wear what I like and go to any party I like or the men saying that's foolish? The men & boys we are referring to are our sons, nephews, brothers, husbands, cousins, friends etc - just as very few of them are deviants, very few people believe all men to be so. I think young boys & girls need better sex education - the focus at the moment is very much on STIs and not getting pregnant and one-off encounters. There is very little on the amount of fun you can have - in particular the amount of safe fun you can have. There is very little on what is good practice in a sexual relationship & what are good ways of communicating with each other. All of this can surely only help. All young people can be taught to have more confidence in these relationships & be more explicit about what is OK and what is not and how to approach those conversations with your partner.

    How very refreshing to read. I'd just like to add that it should also be pointed out how natural and good for both physical and mental health a properly intimate relationship with a nice person of your preferred denomination is.


  • #7424
    Appledreams15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Appledreams15


    I said to my male friend, as long as men think that they are worth more than women , sexual assault is going to happen. If they saw them as worth the same as themselves, they would never do it. That's what needs to change, the 'I am worth more than you' attitude.

    He said, 'But religion tells us that men are worth more than women".

    That is in particular, the first thing we need to change in Ireland. The Catholic Church nearly normalised abuse of women by men.

    Question it! Who were the Catholic Church - they were abusers.


  • #7425
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    20 drinks SO.

    Anyone see the new pic of PJ on the night, looking absolutely off his face

    What would your reaction be if I said that about the complainant?


  • #7426
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    20 drinks SO.

    Anyone see the new pic of PJ on the night, looking absolutely off his face

    Too drunk to consent to anything so?


  • #7427
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭optogirl


    Game Face MCGee wrote: »
    if very few are deviants why tar then all with the brush and say they need formal education on the matter? contrary to popular belief, education beings at home. yes formal education sets you up for a career, expands your  knowledge etc.. but can you tell me hand on heart that your moral compass, how you live you life and what respect you have for fellow humans was learnt in school and not at home. I know where I got those thing from anyway

    My sex education came mostly from magazines if I'm honest. Who am I tarring. I have said time and time again that I think broadening the sex ed curriculum or indeed changing it would be good for EVERYONE. Poster after poster is then asking me why I think all men are rapists/deviants when I haven't once said anything of the sort. I think girls could benefit hugely from consent discussion too.


  • #7428
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭optogirl


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Make sure and tell your attacker/equally drunk stranger that he/she is engaging in 'outraged rubbish' when you are alone and pissed in a strange house.

    Sure everything will be fine then.

    Ok you're babbling now


  • #7429
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #7430
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭optogirl


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.


    Whose theory is that? You can't just pluck some rubbish out of the air and attribute it to somebody else. Read back a few posts - 'titillating' clothing is contributing to rape apparently.


  • #7431
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #7432
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,932 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    optogirl wrote: »
    Ok you're babbling now

    If you would tell a young woman she can behave the way I outlined then I think you are very young yourself or are just holding a position because dangerous feminist dogma tells you to.

    There is nothing 'outdated' about minding yourself.


  • #7433
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    I said to my male friend, as long as men think that they are worth more than women , sexual assault is going to happen. If they saw them as worth the same as themselves, they would never do it. That's what needs to change, the 'I am worth more than you' attitude.

    He said, 'But religion tells us that men are worth more than women".

    That is in particular, the first thing we need to change in Ireland. The Catholic Church nearly normalised abuse of women by men.

    Question it! Who were the Catholic Church - they were abusers.

    Your male friend is a dick


  • #7434
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #7435
    Game Face MCGee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Game Face MCGee


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    I said to my male friend, as long as men think that they are worth more than women , sexual assault is going to happen. If they saw them as worth the same as themselves, they would never do it. That's what needs to change, the 'I am worth more than you' attitude.

    He said, 'But religion tells us that men are worth more than women".

    That is in particular, the first thing we need to change in Ireland. The Catholic Church nearly normalised abuse of women by men.

    Question it! Who were the Catholic Church - they were abusers.
    you need new friends and a dose of reality


  • #7436
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Should a woman leave her bag behind her rather than go upstairs to these no go violent areas at house parties?


  • #7437
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    People who see everything in terms of gender tend to see everything in terms of gender. This can lead to seeing everything in terms of gender.


  • #7438
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,204 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    psinno wrote: »
    People who see everything in terms of gender tend to see everything in terms of gender. This can lead to seeing everything in terms of gender.

    Brilliant! :pac::pac::pac:


  • #7439
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Its only Irish women and women in the UK who dress like porn stars going out.
    Irish and British women are not very attracive so the clothes are designed to catch the male eye and they look trashy.
    European women are better looking so will attract the male eye based on attractiveness alone.
    Irish women are now the fattest in the world and are also short and dumpy. There is a correlation between overweight women and porn clothes, the heavier the woman the shorter the skirt and these womens outfits would hurt your eyes, hence messages to pals, do I look good, no you look like a slut.
    Some women actually take being called a slut as a compliment, thats how skewed things are now.


  • #7440
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Why is anyones bag upstairs in the first place.


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  • #7441
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,204 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Point taken Chief, but that isn't really the same kind of thing as a young woman at a perfectly respectable house-party full of perfectly respectable - if somewhat pissed - young men and women going back upstairs to a bedroom to get something, where she already had been, in perfect safety, some short time back.


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