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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #3152
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Cristiano Ronaldo's mother wanted to abort him as they were poor, but her doctor didn't support the decision. She said Cristiano knows and from her biography she said "He told me he found out, 'look mum, you wanted to abort and now I'm the one who's pulling the purse string in the house'"
    She had a good doctor and it ended up transforming her life and that of her family.

    So?

    And you've also missed the part where he jokes with her about that, however the context you have it makes it sound serious.

    I've told you before, my mother would have considered an abortion with me, if it had been an option.

    I'm thoroughly ok with it, and still support Repeal.


  • #3153
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Are you saying heroin addicts should be killed, which would bring far more misery to the mother?

    Please point out where I said that.


  • #3154
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Sounds like you support censorship and abortion stories where the mother didn't go through with it can't be mentioned...doesn't support the narrative that people want I guess.

    I support reasonable, intelligent debate.
    You seem incapable of engaging maturely, your go-to tactic seems to be to use emotive stories and language in an effort to manipulate (who could forget your nephew story) people, and when you're called out on it, you play the victim and cry censorship.


  • #3155
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    your stories are irrelevant. there are as many stories to counter it, if not more.

    So many you name none...

    Steve Jobs believed he would likely have been aborted if the US had legal abortion when he was being gestated by his mother.


  • #3156
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Because only bad people are allowed?

    No, I'm saying if any of thier mothers had said that you definitely wouldn't have posted it because a millionaire footballers mother saying that tugs at the heartstrings of some, a serial killers mother saying that doesnt.

    It's a nice ploy Robert but people see through those little stories for what they are.


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  • #3157
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I support reasonable, intelligent debate.
    You seem incapable of engaging maturely, your go-to tactic seems to be to use emotive stories and language in an effort to manipulate (who could forget your nephew story) people, and when you're called out on it, you play the victim and cry censorship.

    But that is not the truth.
    If they are emotive then maybe they are touching on something that is deep inside someone and something that is being repressed.
    It is censorship if you don't want certain posts posted, what else can one call it?


  • #3158
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So many you name none...

    Steve Jobs believed he would likely have been aborted if the US had legal abortion when he was being gestated by his mother.

    Your point is?


  • #3159
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So many you name none...

    Steve Jobs believed he would likely have been aborted if the US had legal abortion when he was being gestated by his mother.

    So???? Seriously???? What's your point???? You keep posting in this line of thinking, so you must have one??????


  • #3160
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    RobertKK wrote: »
    But that is not the truth.
    If they are emotive then maybe they are touching on something that is deep inside someone and something that is being repressed.
    It is censorship if you don't want certain posts posted, what else can one call it?

    Your posts have zero effect on me, but someone less sure of their position might be guilted into voting your way. Its dishonest.
    I suppose its those people the No side are campaigning to really. Anyone sure of their position can see straight through your tactics.


  • #3161
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    Is it just me and if so I'll delete the post, but say when Bertie stops posting, Robert KK comes in and when he goes out another one comes in to post. Its like they're on a roster 10 till 2 Bertie, 2 to 6 RobertKK, then Bertie is back and then..... I would block them but I'm having too much fun telling them that I don't care about their chat about UK, Canada etc, about Cristiano Ronaldo's mum - what about Peter Sutcliffes mum - whats the bet she wished she'd had an abortion - their stories are nonsensical.

    Repeal all the way - and I'm predicting 70 / 30 for repeal. Bible bashers have no say in my reproductive system


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  • #3162
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Steve Jobs believed he would likely have been aborted if the US had legal abortion when he was being gestated by his mother.

    What does that really mean though? Why is that an argument against abortion?


  • #3163
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    No, I'm saying if any of thier mothers had said that you definitely wouldn't have posted it because a millionaire footballers mother saying that tugs at the heartstrings of some, a serial killers mother saying that doesnt.

    It's a nice ploy Robert but people see through those little stories for what they are.

    But did their mothers say it?
    I am sure repealthe8th would use them to show why abortion is good. But maybe there is no evidence to back it up that they did want to abort them.


  • #3164
    Madscientist30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Madscientist30


    RobertKK wrote: »
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    mention them all you like. they are just irrelevant.

    A life that brings joy to millions is irrelevant...that would be like saying the life of someone you love is irrelevant as the life itself is irrelevant.
    Is Ronaldo's life worth more because he is a football player? What's your point here? If you are saying that thanks to abortion not being an option a life which brought joy to millions was possible, does that mean that you are in favour of abortion as an option where the life will bring misery to others?


  • #3165
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    RobertKK wrote: »
    But did their mothers say it?
    I am sure repealthe8th would use them to show why abortion is good. But maybe there is no evidence to back it up that they did want to abort them.

    I am sure repealthe8th would use them to show why the choice to be able to have an abortion is good.

    There ya go Robert. Now it's a correct statement.


  • #3166
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    What does that really mean though? Why is that an argument against abortion?

    How many people who would have enriched the world for millions of other people were never let enter the world alive to do so? Their lives instead were viewed as being a problem that needed to be sorted via an abortion.
    We could all be living in a totally different reality but we will never know due to abortion taking millions of lives.


  • #3167
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    RobertKK wrote: »
    How many people who would have enriched the world for millions of other people were never let enter the world alive to do so? Their lives instead were viewed as being a problem that needed to be sorted via an abortion.
    We could all be living in a totally different reality but we will never know due to abortion taking millions of lives.

    And maybe if Hitler's mother aborted Hitler we'd have never had the holocaust.

    Again, what is your point?


  • #3168
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I am sure repealthe8th would use them to show why the choice to be able to have an abortion is good.

    There ya go Robert. Now it's a correct statement.

    There is a slight irony though if one examined it a bit closer but some would not be happy if I said what that was.


  • #3169
    Madscientist30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Madscientist30


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    No, I'm saying if any of thier mothers had said that you definitely wouldn't have posted it because a millionaire footballers mother saying that tugs at the heartstrings of some, a serial killers mother saying that doesnt.

    It's a nice ploy Robert but people see through those little stories for what they are.

    But did their mothers say it?
    I am sure repealthe8th would use them to show why abortion is good. But maybe there is no evidence to back it up that they did want to abort them.
    Imagine if Hitler's mother had had an abortion!


  • #3170
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    RobertKK wrote: »
    A life that brings joy to millions is irrelevant...that would be like saying the life of someone you love is irrelevant as the life itself is irrelevant.
    Your point is that women should be forced to go through with pregnancies because there's an infinitesimal chance that the child will grow up to become a multi-millionaire celebrity.

    Imagine saying that everyone should be forced to buy lotto tickets whether they can afford to or not?

    That's your argument.


  • #3171
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    January wrote: »
    And maybe if Hitler's mother aborted Hitler we'd have never had the holocaust.

    Again, what is your point?

    If people respected all life maybe people wouldn't see other lives being expendable.


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  • #3172
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    RobertKK wrote: »
    How many people who would have enriched the world for millions of other people were never let enter the world alive to do so? Their lives instead were viewed as being a problem that needed to be sorted via an abortion.
    We could all be living in a totally different reality but we will never know due to abortion taking millions of lives.

    How many people who would have made the world considerably worse for millions of other people were never let enter the world alive to do so?


  • #3173
    captbarnacles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    Save the 8th because Cristiano Ronaldo. Hot on the heels of save the 8th because nobody understands what they are voting for. Arguments getting steadily more moronic.

    Looking forward to the giant billboard with a still of Ronaldos bicycle kick besides '#savethe8th'.


  • #3174
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    seamus wrote: »
    Your point is that women should be forced to go through with pregnancies because there's an infinitesimal chance that the child will grow up to become a multi-millionaire celebrity.

    Imagine saying that everyone should be forced to buy lotto tickets whether they can afford to or not?

    That's your argument.

    So you are comparing a unique life with a lottery ticket...


  • #3175
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So you are comparing a unique life with a lottery ticket...

    Oh for goodness sake, would you stop with the melodramatics. Ridiculous.


  • #3176
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    captbarnacles wrote: »
    Save the 8th because Cristiano Ronaldo. Hot on the heels of save the 8th because nobody understands what they are voting for. Arguments getting steadily more moronic.

    Looking forward to the giant billboard with a still of Ronaldos bicycle kick besides '#savethe8th'.


    In fairness it was a fantastic goal.


  • #3177
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    RobertKK wrote: »
    .
    We could all be living in a totally different reality but we will never know due to abortion taking millions of lives.

    We could all be living in a different world, Adolf Hitler and Attila the Hun could have been a twin!!!!

    Peter Sutcliffe may have been aborted and 13 women would have still been alive.

    Your arguments are nonsensical.

    Repeal all the way - peado priests will not dictate to me about my eggs!


  • #3178
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    RobertKK wrote: »
    How many people who would have enriched the world for millions of other people were never let enter the world alive to do so? Their lives instead were viewed as being a problem that needed to be sorted via an abortion.
    We could all be living in a totally different reality but we will never know due to abortion taking millions of lives.

    How many people are currently living in pain and hunger and torment because their mothers couldn't access abortion services?


  • #3179
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    RobertKK wrote: »
    If people respected all life maybe people wouldn't see other lives being expendable.

    That's true, but where's your respect for life? You think forcing women to remain pregnant against their will is fine. Where's your respect for mine and my children's lives? We'd have been a lot worse off if I had went through with my pregnancy and thinking that maybe 20/30 years down the line I could be a millionaire because my kid could have been the next Ronaldo is idiotic because I'd still need to raise that kid in poverty and the money would be no good to me when they're all raised.


  • #3180
    captbarnacles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    In fairness it was a fantastic goal.

    I agree. That's why I've chosen it for their billboard. It was a tough decision because he has lots to choose from.


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  • #3181
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    Sure everyone has an emotive story to produce. The thing is, there are millions upon millions of children that could be born each year, but are not because of contraception or abstinence. I'm sure a percentage of them would be great footballers, or scientists, or astronauts. The same percentage of the population who are already those types of people. And the same proportion of those potential lives would be Hitlers and paedophiles and murders as we have in the normal general population. But we've got what we've got.


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