The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

RobertKK

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Probably never went to Mass except at Christmas. Serves them all right, I say.

(This thread gets better all the time!)

That is non relateable to the story I had to reply to, where the parents and grandparents were professors and their daughter/granddaughter living in poverty and having a baby and then abusing that child...and that is your reply to my reply to that story...
Is your message: repeal the 8th is a joke?

Zubeneschamali

RobertKK wrote: »

Is your message: repeal the 8th is a joke?

No, but you are very close!

January

RobertKK wrote: »

That is non relateable to the story I had to reply to, where the parents and grandparents were professors and their daughter/granddaughter living in poverty and having a baby and then abusing that child...and that is your reply to my reply to that story...
Is your message: repeal the 8th is a joke?

Where in that story does it say the child was abused? Where does it say the grandparents were professors and refused to help their child living in poverty?

What if the parents also lived in poverty but the girl had worked hard up to the point and then fell into the same poverty hole her parents because she became pregnant?

Madscientist30

RobertKK wrote: »

volchitsa wrote: »

So in a world of, what is it, 9 billion people now?, and stretched to the limit of earth's resources, we need millions, possibly billions more people, because one of those as yet unborn people might make a discovery that would save the planet?

Is that really your argument?

We will be living on other planets and moons, people need to expand their minds to where human civilisation is headed.
An asteroid could easily wipe out most of the planet, maybe a supervolcano causing a volcanic winter like when Mount Toba erupted roughly 75,000 years ago.
Today's population could easily be mostly wiped out by natural causes, because the Earth has a history for wiping out at a lot of life in big events, In time the world's population will be far lower and there is nothing that can stop some natural events.
Humans have all their eggs in one basket on this planet, likewise some other human lives had their eggs in a woman who is for or against an abortion as a choice and it decided their outcome.

And the 8th amendment is the solution for that is it? Maybe the Pro-Lifers could divert some of their American cash mountain to a space program

RobertKK

Madscientist30 wrote: »

And the 8th amendment is the solution for that is it? Maybe the Pro-Lifers could divert some of their American cash mountain to a space program

Maybe George Soros will, he likes to fund things.

January

RobertKK wrote: »

Maybe George Soros will, he likes to fund things.

LOL.

I'll get onto George and ask him where the money for our posters is... he seems to be a bit late with a payment...

NuMarvel

RobertKK wrote: »

Maybe George Soros will, he likes to fund things.

The difference is the Open Society Foundation is open about what they fund, whereas the funders of pro life groups are a bit more... clandestine. To put it mildly.

OldNotWIse

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Insulting is a bit strong - disagreeing definitely but shure its only a bit of craic (the american Save the 8th posters are googling that right now).

You see my positive bonhomie might influence a Dont Know to vote repeal and the save the 8th nonsense - Robert KK is talking about saving Martian babies now - it just makes me laugh - so on a quiet day at work, its a win win for Repeal.

Repeal all the way - my one vote does count (also my husbands) so thats 2

Well that's mine and my OH's No votes cancelled out

I don't imagine many people will be sourcing advice on how to exercise their right to vote from Boards... not least because the pages and pages of hyperbole, semantics and repetition might put them off.

NuMarvel

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Well that's mine and my OH's No votes cancelled out

I don't imagine many people will be sourcing advice on how to exercise their right to vote from Boards... not least because the pages and pages of hyperbole, semantics and repetition might put them off.

To say nothing of the smarmy "I'm so above all of this" posts. They're the worst.

It wasnt me123

True OldNotWise but they may get some info from here. Believe it or not, I'm not on many forums and didn't know about the InHerShoes FB page only for seeing it here. Now I've like it and sharing the stories on that site - so forums/social media can help - but I don't think Bertie or RobertKK are for turning - its the martians fault.

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JDD

I have a similar story to Lynn Beisner. Not as bad as hers, by a long shot, but similar.

My best mate in school suffered from depression. It took a long time to get a diagnosis, and even then her medication didn't seem to do much. When we were 20 she fell pregnant. She, and her mother, were very catholic and although they didn't have a great relationship (her mother was, and still is, an alcoholic) they sat down and talked about what should she do. Really, everything pointed towards an abortion. She was too young, she was still in university, and most of all, she was mentally ill. They booked into a clinic in Manchester and everything. And then her mother was listening to something on the Gay Byrne radio show about abortion the morning they were due to take the plane. Her mother, not being the most stable person in the world, changed her mind and pleaded with my friend not to go through with it - that they, her parents, would support her financially and assist her in the raising the kid. My friend was relieved to be honest. She was catholic, she believed abortion was a sin.

So she gave birth to a girl. I won't go into minute detail, but her parents were lets say "erratic" with their assistance in raising the kid. Basically they were great during the period the grandmother was sober. But there were long periods - months, years, that she fell off the wagon. To be fair to them, they did support her financially.

My friend wasn't a good mother. God love her, she tried her best but her mental illness meant that she was very vulnerable to abusive relationships. Relationships that were also abusive to her daughter. I only found this out years later. Her mother continued to suffer bouts of severe depression, was in and out of hospital, and the illness eventually killed her two years ago.

Her daughter, my goddaughter, I don't know that well. Myself and my friend fell out when her daughter was six and we never fully mended our relationship. She appears to be okay, but has regularly attended counselling since her mid-teens to try and process her childhood. She admits herself that her mother should never have been a mother. It takes a brave person to admit that your mother might have been better off without you.

Looking back, adoption was never even considered. I suppose they duped themselves that maybe with the right treatment my friend could have made a go of parenthood. I suspect that, given they were well off, it would have been difficult to explain to family and friends that they were not going to raise the child that my friend was pregnant with. Mental illness was still quite taboo at the time, and I don't think that would have been offered easily as an explanation.

Anyway, my point is, as nice a person as my goddaughter is, I firmly believe my friend would have been better off if she had not had the burden of being a parent so young. She might have finished university. She might have avoided some of the abusive relationships that she entered into in the misguided attempt to provide a father for her daughter.

Of course, she was catholic and had she felt she had no choice but to have an abortion maybe that would have sent her into a tailspin of guilt and depression too. But I really don't accept that as an argument. What if the church didn't have a ruling that life begins at conception? I don't think it's in the bible anywhere. If she didn't believe it was a sin, she wouldn't have felt any guilt, and it wouldn't have had a negative affect on her.

Anyway, that's not the main reason I'm pro-choice. But it might provide a bit of information for people who may never have known someone who has had a crisis pregnancy.

NuMarvel

NuMarvel wrote: »

The difference is the Open Society Foundation is open about what they fund, whereas the funders of pro life groups are a bit more... clandestine. To put it mildly.

Yep and with questionable accounting and reporting practices that would make some politicians envious.

Rjd2

Been out of the news recently, any polls in last few days regarding this?:o

Sorry if lazy:P

thee glitz

January wrote: »

I'll get onto George and ask him where the money for our posters is... he seems to be a bit late with a payment...

He gave it to Amnesty International.

thee glitz

thee glitz wrote: »

He gave it to Amnesty International.

Just a reminder we're still waiting on links etc to prove your statement that the repeal side are using rape victims and FFA suffers as a happy convenience for unlimited abortion.

thee glitz

DubInMeath wrote: »

Just a reminder we're still waiting on links etc to prove your statement that the repeal side are using rape victims and FFA suffers as a happy convenience for unlimited abortion.

Why would I need links to show that? Though there was one pro-choicer around here who expressed being a little uncomfortable with the hypocrisy of it. Would you prioritise ensuring the availability of abortion in cases where it's genuinely needed / warranted over for those who request it for no reason?

baylah17

thee glitz wrote: »

DubInMeath wrote: »

Just a reminder we're still waiting on links etc to prove your statement that the repeal side are using rape victims and FFA suffers as a happy convenience for unlimited abortion.

Why would I need links to show that? Though there was one pro-choicer around here who expressed being a little uncomfortable with the hypocrisy of it. Would you prioritise ensuring the availability of abortion in cases where it's genuinely needed / warranted over for those who request it for no reason?

No need to prioritise
Womans choice
A woman's right
Nobody else's business
Dimples!

baylah17

Simples

January

thee glitz wrote: »

He gave it to Amnesty International.

Ah that explains it. Amnesty have nothing to do with the national campaign.

thee glitz

thee glitz wrote: »

Why would I need links to show that? Though there was one pro-choicer around here who expressed being a little uncomfortable with the hypocrisy of it. Would you prioritise ensuring the availability of abortion in cases where it's genuinely needed / warranted over for those who request it for no reason?

Grand so you've clarified that your making statements as facts without being able to back them up?

Good to know

Annasopra

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Is it just me and if so I'll delete the post, but say when Bertie stops posting, Robert KK comes in and when he goes out another one comes in to post. Its like they're on a roster 10 till 2 Bertie, 2 to 6 RobertKK, then Bertie is back and then..... I would block them but I'm having too much fun telling them that I don't care about their chat about UK, Canada etc, about Cristiano Ronaldo's mum - what about Peter Sutcliffes mum - whats the bet she wished she'd had an abortion - their stories are nonsensical.

Repeal all the way - and I'm predicting 70 / 30 for repeal. Bible bashers have no say in my reproductive system

I genuinely dont believe Robert and Bertie are the same person. The posting style is not the same at all. There are a lot of people in Ireland like Robert and Bertie who think pro life. I actually really wouldnt label some of the pro life people here as rereg trolls.

Annasopra

thee glitz wrote: »

Why would I need links to show that? Though there was one pro-choicer around here who expressed being a little uncomfortable with the hypocrisy of it. Would you prioritise ensuring the availability of abortion in cases where it's genuinely needed / warranted over for those who request it for no reason?

Nice to see you acknowledged and read the evidence that I provided for you.

Ave Sodalis

baylah17 wrote: »

Simples

I prefer "Dimples"

thee glitz

baylah17 wrote: »

No need to prioritise
Womans choice
A woman's right
Nobody else's business
Dimples!

No need to prioritise because the 8th is certain to be repealed?

January wrote: »

Ah that explains it. Amnesty have nothing to do with the national campaign.

Is it more of a localised campaign they're running?

DubInMeath wrote: »

Grand so you've clarified that your making statements as facts without being able to back them up?

Good to know

It's hard to back up if no-one will answer the question.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Nice to see you acknowledged and read the evidence that I provided for you.

Your evidence, that you know people who hold opinions, doesn't diminsh my point.

January

thee glitz wrote: »

Is it more of a localised campaign they're running?

No idea I haven't heard anything on repeal from amnesty in a while maybe they've dropped the issue?

Together for yes is being run by the abortion rights campaign, the coalition to Repeal the 8th amendment and the national women's Council of Ireland.

thee glitz

January wrote: »

No idea I haven't heard anything on repeal from amnesty in a while maybe they've dropped the issue?

Ye, no idea why.

Annasopra

thee glitz wrote: »

Your evidence, that you know people who hold opinions, doesn't diminsh my point.

What? You are simply dismissing expertise opinion because you have a different opinion? Or are you just nit bothered actually engaging in real discussion?

Annasopra

thee glitz wrote: »

Ye, no idea why.

I think they are running their own campaign and also challenging sipo. Why are people so het up about Soros when there is so much American and Catholic money pouring into the other side?

thee glitz

thee glitz wrote: »

It's hard to back up if no-one will answer the question.

Nope you made a statement as fact not opinion as far as you were concerned and as such if it's fact you should have evidence to back up your statement, otherwise your talking out of your hat.