Homeless crisis or Housing crisis?

Hitman3000 · 29-03-2018 05:05PM

Anne1982h wrote:

So declining a house within walking distance to a town center as in the Ennis case because you want to live beside your parents makes sense how? I donâ€™t think there are too many stand along bungalows in the middle of the countryside cut off from everywhere on the social housing lists. Walking distance to a town cente is all that is needed - any size of town centre.

Room for all the homeless in Ennis? How many hundreds of vacant houses on this estate you 'heard' about?

ChikiChiki · 29-03-2018 05:07PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

You will be waiting.

The vast majority of voters who are homeowners don't care, in fact it's to their advantage that the current situation continues.

Likewise the property hoarders, developers and builders waiting on the sidelines to save the day with expensive (and likely sub standard) new housing.

The way things stand, I'll be living out the rest of my days abroad. Hopefully things improve.

I agree with your sentiments. I would also count adult children living at home that are working but cannot find an affordable place to rent/buy as homeless and there are many of them gone into their 30s in the last couple of years.

Its a shambles.

garbo speaks · 29-03-2018 05:07PM

Seems to me the only way you can get a house these days is to convert to Islam. That way the government will give you everything you want.

suicide_circus · 29-03-2018 05:09PM

But where does it end? Can I declare myself homeless and settle for nothing less than a 3 bed semi detached within walking distance of a Nandos?

29-03-2018 05:13PM

corner of hells wrote:

Couch surfing is recognised , it regularly appears on paperwork.

Not in Ireland. No one couch surfing is included in the official figures. This came to light a few months ago when FG suggested that our homeless figures weren't too bad compared to other countries. It was pointed out that other countries consider couch surfing as homeless but we don't in Ireland

Wheeliebin30 · 29-03-2018 05:16PM

emo72 wrote: »

no. but 2 working people cant afford to rent and cant afford to buy. its getting really messed up now. its a disaster.

Yes they can.

I know many who are.

ChikiChiki · 29-03-2018 05:19PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Would the crisis be as bad if the pervious and present FG government were not bestest buddies of vulture funds who purchased vast quanties of housing at knock down prices or allowing speculators sit on tracts of building land?

I think you'll find there has been a fire sale of state assets on Fine Gaels watch. The most high profile example below. That €110 million might have been handy.

March 2012: Denis O’Brien’s Millington buys Siteserv for €45.4 million in a deal that sees the State-owned Irish Bank Resolution Corporation (IBRC) write off €110 million of its €150 million debt. Shareholders receive €5 million.

firstlight · 29-03-2018 05:20PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Yes they can.

I know many who are.

I know many who cannot

Wheeliebin30 · 29-03-2018 05:23PM

Anyway I guess noone can show me a country with no homeless people.

Yet Ireland is expected to have the answers.

Hitman3000 · 29-03-2018 05:25PM

I would assume since this is an Irish site referencing homelessness in Ireland it would fair to restrict the topic to Ireland. Let other countries deal with their homeless problem instead of the usual deflection from the usual posters

Wheeliebin30 · 29-03-2018 05:26PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I would assume since this is an Irish site referencing homelessness in Ireland it would fair to restrict the topic to Ireland. Let other countries deal with their homeless problem instead of the usual deflection from the usual posters

But its about been realistic no?

Is it possible to eradicate homelessness?

The evidence from around the world is no.

McMurphy · 29-03-2018 05:28PM

Leo (not his soon to be defunct spin unit) has said that there's a housing and homeless crisis in the state, and that both are national emergencies.

Yet his worshippers on boards rubbish this.

Who to believe?

firstlight · 29-03-2018 05:31PM

No Ireland is not expected to have all the answers
Maybe people just want some hope of maybe someday getting off the mothers (T**)
Off their friends Couch
Out of the back of their car because their wages wont cover a rent or mortgage
Some hope of a decent life and not just an existence because that s the reality for most
Been able to actually spend a few quid on things you work hard for and not over 75% of 2 wages on a mortgage or rent (And everything that goes with it,Bills) and not to mention astronomical car insurance
The economy has indeed got better but it does not mean that everyone is prospering in the country

Hitman3000 · 29-03-2018 05:33PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

The evidence from around the world is no.

I live in Ireland dude so I'll stick with the topic if it's ok with you. What have your buddies in FG done to deal with the problem even Leo has admitted it's a crisis so it's ok no need to defend him or FG. It's gotten worse on the watch of FG you can try and deny it but all the evidence available would contradict you.

Hitman3000 · 29-03-2018 05:33PM

Johnny Dogs wrote:

Yet his worshippers on boards rubbish this.

It's all spin I tells ya, that wasn't really Leo it was a leftie impostor.

Wheeliebin30 · 29-03-2018 05:38PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I live in Ireland dude so I'll stick with the topic if it's ok with you. What have your buddies in FG done to deal with the problem even Leo has admitted it's a crisis so it's ok no need to defend him or FG. It's gotten worse on the watch of FG you can try and deny it but all the evidence available would contradict you.

Its as simple as that yeah??

No other factors have contributed, just Leos fault yeah?

No individual responsibility, just all Leos fault.

Hitman3000 · 29-03-2018 05:42PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

No other factors have contributed, just Leos fault yeah?

I said Wheelie it has gotten progressively worse under FG. What have they done other than make it worse.. when you are ready?

Colonel Claptrap · 29-03-2018 05:44PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Leo (not his soon to be defunct spin unit) has said that there's a housing and homeless crisis in the state, and that both are national emergencies.

Yet his worshippers on boards rubbish this.

Who to believe?

Yes, because all people who support FG blindly agree with all of their policies.

Spanish Eyes · 29-03-2018 05:44PM

This is a trick to ensure adult offspring live in the family home forever. Raise their kids there, and look after ageing parents when the time comes. Tongue in cheek obv.

Homes in urban areas with big gardens should be free to build accommodation for their children without planning, provided it meets certain size requirements. Not happening though.

McMurphy · 29-03-2018 05:51PM

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

Yes, because all people who support FG blindly agree with all of their policies.

Who said that?

How's about dealing with what a post actually contains, rather than what you would like it to contain.

Let's try again shall we.

Leo says the homeless and housing crises are now national emergencies, yet his worshippers on boards rubbish this.

Who to believe?

Wheeliebin30 · 29-03-2018 05:52PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I said Wheelie it has gotten progressively worse under FG. What have they done other than make it worse.. when you are ready?

I dont blame them entirely.

Remember the 2 girls on the documentary who got pregnant while living in the hotel.

What are they doing to help themselves exit homelessness?

How are fg responsible for the situations these girls are in?

There is no listening to the other opinions or sensible arguments, its just all the governments fault.

When you are ready..

Hitman3000 · 29-03-2018 05:55PM

So your answer to a question about what have FG done to improve the housing crisis is 'what about those 2 girl's'. I see thanks, for confirming my and others opinion of you.

Wheeliebin30 · 29-03-2018 06:04PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

So your answer to a question about what have FG done to improve the housing crisis is 'what about those 2 girl's'. I see thanks, for confirming my and others opinion of you.

I dont blame them, thats my reply.

beauf · 29-03-2018 06:06PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

The idea that those who receive state housing should enjoy a luxury (choice of location) that those who pay for their housing do not is nothing short of gobsmacking

Maybe you should rent somewhere in gangland because its a luxury location.

See how it works out.

Hitman3000 · 29-03-2018 06:09PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

I dont blame them, thats my reply.

Of course you don't blame FG but that's not what I asked you, so can you tell me without resorting to your usual whataboutery nonsense what have FG done to improve the homeless situation? Bearing in mind they have held power since 2011 and the crisis has deepened.

suicide_circus · 29-03-2018 06:09PM

beauf wrote: »

Maybe you should rent somewhere in gangland because its a luxury location.

See how it works out.

I rent in a Dublin area with a weekly armed Garda checkpoint in close proximity to a church in which several of the hutch/kinnehan fued funerals have been held.

beauf · 29-03-2018 06:11PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

...There is no listening to the other opinions or sensible arguments, its just all the governments fault...

If you look at international trends, housing crisis, and home ownership is largely down to Govt interventions, and regulation or the lack there of. Its rarely due to people abusing the system.

beauf · 29-03-2018 06:11PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I rent in a Dublin area with a weekly armed Garda checkpoint in close proximity to a church in which several of the hutch/kinnehan fued funerals have been held.

Sounds deadly.

McMurphy · 29-03-2018 06:13PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I rent in a Dublin area with a weekly armed Garda checkpoint in close proximity to a church in which several of the hutch/kinnehan fued funerals have been held.

Ahhh the amenities so close to the city centre.

cantdecide · 29-03-2018 06:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it time to call shenanigans on the homeless industry? How are these figures collated? Are my adult children who live with me included? People who have a hotel roof over their heads at night are not homeless.
I googled “homeless in Ireland” and the top three results were Focus Ireland, Peter MacVerry Trust and Simon community. How much do they get on grants ever year from the public purse? How much of that money goes in actually housing people versus how much in wages, offices and associated costs?
People, too have to take responsibility for their plight. Are we rearing a generation of people unable to look after themselves? Shur, someone else will give me a house(not apartment) In the Uk roughly 50% of people live within 70 miles of their childhood homes. The requirement for living near family or school shouldn’t be acceptable. What’s wrong in moving to where housing, schools and jobs are available?
Those living rough are the homeless that our Government should be focusing on. Their needs stretch beyond having a roof over their heads.

OP, you're like a dog with a bone on this topic and as someone that some people [not me] would class as "homeless" (being a single adult living with my parents struggling to break the cycle of high costs, low wages with high employment uncertainty), I'm convinced you're not interested in anything other than information that confirms your established biases and aren't interested in paying anything more than lip service to [what appears to me to be] the huge proportion of people who want to live a productive, independent, self sustaining life but are struggling to make it there.

I suggest that if you're so passionate about the issue become an activist or else just take a deep breath and get on with your own life because you know how divisive the subject is (as you've been here before) but right now you seem bent on creating aggravation for anyone struggling to pay rent through to the outright scroungers and everyone in between. Social housing is and virtually always has been a fact of life. Things are particularly difficult for everyone at the moment. There's no point in living in denial about the fact.

Homeless crisis or Housing crisis?

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