Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

Utah_Saint · 24-03-2018 07:06PM

Can we just give up on the dross forwards and use academy guys for the rest of the season. I could get behind that more than watching the same chubes churning out the same pathetic performances

awec · 24-03-2018 07:11PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

It's not half as expensive as signing players from abroad. And at the least it benefits Irish rugby as a whole. The other alternative is carry on as you are and hope the academy can churn out players in enough numbers. But that will take a lot longer than three years.

Is it? Wonder what no champions cup rugby will look like on the balance sheet.

thomond2006 wrote: »

Ulster are signing crap IE and NIE players. Hardly the fault of IRFU constraints.

Why do you think we're signing crap NIE players?

For what it's worth I'm not having a go at the IRFU, I don't expect us to be allowed to sign a bunch of good players. But things aren't going to magically improve either and things can get a lot worse than they are.

Our players just aren't good enough.

awec · 24-03-2018 07:11PM

Utah_Saint wrote: »

Can we just give up on the dross forwards and use academy guys for the rest of the season. I could get behind that more than watching the same chubes churning out the same pathetic performances

May as well, but I suspect apart from McBurney anyone in the academy who is worth anything is already being given a go.

Tigerandahalf · 24-03-2018 07:13PM

Ulster should sign another 3 props to back up Moore. It is the area they are struggling with most.
A decent scrum gives you a great platform.

bilston · 24-03-2018 07:22PM

Didn't watch it, heard the score, read the thread, I think I'll be deleting from my Sky Box unwatched.

As I say, unless Jackson returns we will definitely finish below Benetton. Even with him we might.

Shambles

awec · 24-03-2018 07:25PM

bilston wrote: »

Didn't watch it, heard the score, read the thread, I think I'll be deleting from my Sky Box unwatched.

As I say, unless Jackson returns we will definitely finish below Benetton. Even with him we might.

Shambles

Yep, hard to see where we pick up a win. Maybe Ospreys at home.

Utah_Saint · 24-03-2018 07:29PM

Giving Logan the boot is about the only thing that would cheer me up...

damianmcr · 24-03-2018 07:31PM

Utter ****e.

I want a massive fecking clearout. Its a fecking joke.

I hope Gibbes ripped them a new one though I doubt he even cares.

stephen_n · 24-03-2018 07:47PM

awec wrote: »

3 seasons of this garbage, yea I don't think so.

And signing players from other provinces is hardly solving the problem. That's just another short term fix that everyone seems so worried about.

I would hope not, that’s for sure. But the next three seasons are a write off in terms of being competitive. To sell Ulster to Irish players at other provinces, there would need to be evidence of massive internal change. You can buy players in to plug holes, but tbh even that will be difficult at this stage. But to attract players who want to build something good, they would need evidence of a decent foundation. That cleary does not exist at present.

prawnsambo · 24-03-2018 07:56PM

damianmcr wrote: »

Utter ****e.

I want a massive fecking clearout. Its a fecking joke.

I hope Gibbes ripped them a new one though I doubt he even cares.

Ah, he's a professional. He'd hardly throw in the towel. It wasn't all bad btw, just not consistently anything really. Some good stiuff, but it just can't seem to go beyond a handful of phases.

The Lost Sheep · 24-03-2018 08:33PM

Utah_Saint wrote: »

Giving Logan the boot is about the only thing that would cheer me up...

But what does that achieve? The same issues will still be here?
Ulster need root and branch overhaul at all levels. Make all staff in many roles reapply for their own jobs and get rid of a lot of dross would be a start

bilston · 24-03-2018 08:34PM

Next season could in theory see some improvement in that we should have a much stronger pack to work with. Moore and particularly Murphy improve and, if he is fit, Coetzee will be like a new signing.

We will see what happens at 10 and elsewhere in the backline, but if, and I accept it doesn't look likely, but if Payne returns then our backline suddenly gets a bit of organisation back.

I'm not saying we will be competitive in terms of winning trophies, we clearly won't, but with my glass half full hat on, next season could be a decent stepping stone to a brighter future 2-3 years down the line.

But a few things have to go out way in the next few weeks and in the off season for that to become a possibility. And to be fair a lot if not all of that could go the other way...in which case next season will be a tough one.

The Black Stags · 24-03-2018 08:37PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Utah_Saint wrote: »

Giving Logan the boot is about the only thing that would cheer me up...

But what does that achieve? The same issues will still be here?
Ulster need root and branch overhaul at all levels. Make all staff in many roles reapply for their own jobs and get rid of a lot of dross would be a start

It (would hopefully) achieve putting in someone at the helm who understands what they are doing and how they want to achieve it. Sounds like Logan has made a lot of bad decisions especially concerning the things Ferries talked about in his 42.ie interview.

molloyjh · 25-03-2018 01:14AM

awec wrote: »

3 seasons of this garbage, yea I don't think so.

Not to be smart, but it doesn’t really matter what you think. Ulster have made their bed, now they have to lie in it. That’s crap, but that’s life. There is no easy way out of this. Players need to be developed. You simply can’t get around this. And if Ulster have been failing to do just that what more can you expect from them now?

At the end of the day, these chickens were always going to come home to roost. That’s crap, and you might not like it (hell, none of us do), but it’s the reality of the situation. I’m afraid there’s going to have to be an element of grin and bear it.

The Lost Sheep · 25-03-2018 01:19AM

The Black Stags wrote: »

It (would hopefully) achieve putting in someone at the helm who understands what they are doing and how they want to achieve it. Sounds like Logan has made a lot of bad decisions especially concerning the things Ferries talked about in his 42.ie interview.

He's been in charge nearly a decade and he knows what he's doing and Ulster were going very well for quite a while but there's issues around domestic game that are knocking on in player development and while overall CEO is who is responsible for lack of success there you must look elsewhere as well as to why same issues keep coming up

awec · 25-03-2018 03:59PM

Apparently Aaron Hall (academy flanker) is moving to Edinburgh according to the in-the-know guy on UAFC. If this is true:

1. WTF
2. Who in Ulster is allowing this to happen?
3. Why are the IRFU allowing this to happen?

launish116 · 25-03-2018 04:06PM

Possibly university choice? or poached?
Never really seen the excitement in the little game time i've seen of him.

awec · 25-03-2018 04:09PM

launish116 wrote: »

Possibly university choice? or poached?
Never really seen the excitement in the little game time i've seen of him.

Possibly university, but wouldn't he have went to one last year?

launish116 · 25-03-2018 04:12PM

Is he possibly Scottish qualified? Just look at the others that left Ulster for Scotland: Allan, Scholes. TBH looking at our squad and their form when they left I'd have them back.

bilston · 25-03-2018 04:25PM

He is highly rated. Losing him would be a big blow, he may never make it but if we start losing the most promising academy players to a team like Edinburgh we may just pack it in and go home. Honestly this would be terrible.

bilston · 25-03-2018 04:26PM

launish116 wrote: »

Is he possibly Scottish qualified? Just look at the others that left Ulster for Scotland: Allan, Scholes. TBH looking at our squad and their form when they left I'd have them back.

Scholes is at Connacht now. No idea how he is doing which suggests he isn't doing a lot!

launish116 · 25-03-2018 05:02PM

bilston wrote: »

launish116 wrote: »

Is he possibly Scottish qualified? Just look at the others that left Ulster for Scotland: Allan, Scholes. TBH looking at our squad and their form when they left I'd have them back.

Scholes is at Connacht now. No idea how he is doing which suggests he isn't doing a lot!

Which is a great shame considering how he was doing when he left Ulster

prawnsambo · 25-03-2018 05:04PM

If it's any consolation, I watched Ulster yesterday and am watching Clermont today and on that basis Ulster >>>>>> Clermont.

If awec was a Clermont fan I'd worry for his sanity.

RuPi · 25-03-2018 05:06PM

Hall is Scottish qualified and I believe two years ago when leaving school he was only getting a sub academy deal from Ulster and was going to go to Glasgow who had offered him a full academy deal only for Ulster to then offer him a full academy spot to stop him going.

We have a lot of back rows coming through with Allison and McCartney in the Ireland 19’s, Ryan O’Neill in the 18’s and David McCann would have been there had it not been for an injury in the Schools Cup Semi Final.

MDunne14 · 25-03-2018 05:35PM

launish116 wrote: »

Possibly university choice? or poached?
Never really seen the excitement in the little game time i've seen of him.

Made 21 tackles on his debut and missed none , suggest you open your eyes

MDunne14 · 25-03-2018 05:35PM

bilston wrote: »

He is highly rated. Losing him would be a big blow, he may never make it but if we start losing the most promising academy players to a team like Edinburgh we may just pack it in and go home. Honestly this would be terrible.

Considering he’s made his debut at 19 I’d think he will make it

launish116 · 25-03-2018 07:22PM

MDunne14 wrote: »

launish116 wrote: »

Possibly university choice? or poached?
Never really seen the excitement in the little game time i've seen of him.

Made 21 tackles on his debut and missed none , suggest you open your eyes

Maybe that’s why I didn’t see the excitement he was tackling all game... saying that there’s more to a game than tackling. As I said I didn’t see the excitement/hype and then again I wasn’t tallying up stats! How many turnover did he make?

MDunne14 · 25-03-2018 07:26PM

launish116 wrote: »

Maybe that’s why I didn’t see the excitement he was tackling all game... saying that there’s more to a game than tackling. As I said I didn’t see the excitement/hype and then again I wasn’t tallying up stats! How many turnover did he make?

Sorry them stats are wrong , he played 69 minutes missed 2 tackles made 25 had 1 turnover and carried 7 times

launish116 · 25-03-2018 07:37PM

MDunne14 wrote: »

launish116 wrote: »

Maybe that’s why I didn’t see the excitement he was tackling all game... saying that there’s more to a game than tackling. As I said I didn’t see the excitement/hype and then again I wasn’t tallying up stats! How many turnover did he make?

Sorry them stats are wrong , he played 69 minutes missed 2 tackles made 25 had 1 turnover and carried 7 times

If those stats are correct that's fair enough I just didn't see the hype at the time and thats being honest.
Out of curiosity where do you get the stats? never actually reviewed how players get on statistically in a match.

MDunne14 · 25-03-2018 07:48PM

launish116 wrote: »

If those stats are correct that's fair enough I just didn't see the hype at the time and thats being honest.
Out of curiosity where do you get the stats? never actually reviewed how players get on statistically in a match.

Ultimate rugby break down the stats for most games , find the app really helpful

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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