Man convicted of hate crime because his dog did a Nazi salute?

doolox · 21-03-2018 12:38AM

I recall many years ago when I worked for a multinational company and some people working for the company noticed a piece of test equipment with heavy metal sides bore a resemblance to a tank and painted a swastika on it.

Nothing was made of the piece of vandalism until a group of German visitors to the company were being taken around with some senior management types and a huge furore erupted over the presence of the swastika on the equipment.

Apparently it is seriously illegal to use Nazi symbols, salutes, gestures or slogans in Germany even in humour, probably like as if someone were to make jokes about the Great famine here nobody would be happy.....

On another note I was once attending Mass in Puerto Rico in a small village and when people recited the lords prayer, in Spanish, everyone raised their right hand. Much to my consternation and alarm in what is a US territory.

The right hand extended was apparently the way Roman soldiers and people saluted and found its way into prayer and devotion in some countries.

You wouldn't want to try that lark in Germany. Context is everything.

Zebra3 · 21-03-2018 12:38AM

Incredible that people can call for carpet bombing countries and that’s deemed fine but something offensive but just stupid like what happened in this case ends up with a criminal conviction.

jaxxx · 21-03-2018 12:39AM

cantdecide wrote: »

NAZI jokes.... bad [serious face]. 40yr long grooming gangs... run along you little scamps

Did you hear about the time Hitler got hit with a boomerang? Apparently he did nazi it coming!

uck51js9zml2yt · 21-03-2018 12:40AM

delly wrote: »

As mad as the thought is, I wonder would this type of comedy be tolerated on tv today?

Yes.
Just look at all the reruns

Ultimate Seduction · 21-03-2018 12:54AM

delly wrote: »

As mad as the thought is, I wonder would this type of comedy be tolerated on tv today?

It's still on TV today. Father Ted marathon of a Sunday night on more 4

20Cent · 21-03-2018 12:57AM

He was also saying gas the jews repeatedly while showing hitler speeches in the video so it wasn't just the dogs fault.

end of the road · 21-03-2018 02:23AM

i wouldn't expect anything less from britain.

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If someone does something that isn’t a criminal offence but the victim, or anyone else, believes it was motivated by prejudice or hate, we would class this as a ‘hate incident’. Though what the perpetrator has done may not be against the law, their reasons for doing it are. This means it may be possible to charge them with an offence
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this is dangerous stuff IMO.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 21-03-2018 02:35AM

end of the road wrote: »

i wouldn't expect anything less from britain.

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If someone does something that isn’t a criminal offence but the victim, or anyone else, believes it was motivated by prejudice or hate, we would class this as a ‘hate incident’. Though what the perpetrator has done may not be against the law, their reasons for doing it are. This means it may be possible to charge them with an offence
/Quote

this is dangerous stuff IMO.

What does it even mean?

Something isn’t a criminal offence but nevertheless there’s a “victim” and if the victim or anybody else believes there’s predjudice the police will see it as an offence.

This criminalises all behaviour, provided somebody sees it as a prejudicial. A man could be walking down the street and accused of a hate crime.

soups05 · 21-03-2018 02:37AM

in fairness, old adolf actually was misheard, he was thirsty and asked for a glass of juice, the rest is history.

i'll get me coat

Sheepdish1 · 21-03-2018 02:42AM

delly wrote: »

As mad as the thought is, I wonder would this type of comedy be tolerated on tv today?

I was watching the show “Friends” from the 90’s and was wondering the same thing?! Would it be tolerated today?!

21-03-2018 02:44AM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

I was watching the show “Friends” from the 90’s and was wondering the same thing?! Would it be tolerated today?!

That’s clearly racist and sexist.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057830523

Mrs Shuttleworth · 21-03-2018 02:47AM

end of the road wrote: »

i wouldn't expect anything less from britain.

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If someone does something that isn’t a criminal offence but the victim, or anyone else, believes it was motivated by prejudice or hate, we would class this as a ‘hate incident’. Though what the perpetrator has done may not be against the law, their reasons for doing it are. This means it may be possible to charge them with an offence
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this is dangerous stuff IMO.

And we all know it will only work one way.

People are starting to wake up. Even uber luvvie Ricky Gervais has spoken out against this prosecution.

Oldtree · 21-03-2018 02:49AM

I think that somthing wrong here in that the dog would have had to straighten it's elbow in a forward motion to give a nazi salute. Clearly dogs can't do that, so another miscarriage of justice in the UK. The dog wasn't Irish by any chance was it

end of the road · 21-03-2018 02:50AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

What does it even mean?

Something isn’t a criminal offence but nevertheless there’s a “victim” and if the victim or anybody else believes there’s predjudice the police will see it as an offence.

This criminalises all behaviour, provided somebody sees it as a prejudicial. A man could be walking down the street and accused of a hate crime.

yes by the looks of it. dangerous stuff as i said.

21-03-2018 02:51AM

The dog knows exactly what it was doing the little anti Semitic f*ck.

Snake Plisken · 21-03-2018 02:57AM

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

And we all know it will only work one way.

People are starting to wake up. Even uber luvvie Ricky Gervais has spoken out against this prosecution.

He is not an Uber luvvie, he is getting tons of abuse over in twitter for his Netflix special, he just takes it in his stride.
On this joke of a conviction even the top Jewish comedian in the U.K. David Badeil says he shouldn’t be prosecuted. This same law is being discussed here to replace the blasphemy laws and in my option what’s proposed is actually worse then what we have!

Oldtree · 21-03-2018 03:01AM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

This same law is being discussed here to replace the blasphemy laws and in my option what’s proposed is actually worse then what we have!

Blasphemy laws in 2018.... well **** me sideways with a large straight yellow banana

Sierra Eire · 21-03-2018 03:07AM

Adolf Hitler was such a meanie.

The guy who shot him is my hero.

notincluding · 21-03-2018 03:35AM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

What is going on at all. Becoming a bit of a cliche now but this really is 1984! Not 2018

Check out @BBCNews’;s Tweet:

good to see the police concentrating on the important things

FCIM · 21-03-2018 03:50AM

"Gas the Jews". Anyone who thinks that's remotely funny or has sympathy with a clown who think it is and feels hard done by because he got caught wants their head examined.

Should there be a song and dance about it? No. He's just a d!ckhead who isn't worthy of anyone's attention, but the Far Right will try to make a martyr out of an absolute waste of sperm like they always do :rolleyes:.

ceadaoin. · 21-03-2018 04:11AM

FCIM wrote: »

"Gas the Jews". Anyone who thinks that's remotely funny or has sympathy with a clown who think it is and feels hard done by because he got caught wants their head examined.

Should there be a song and dance about it? No. He's just a d!ckhead who isn't worthy of anyone's attention, but the Far Right will try to make a martyr out of an absolute waste of sperm like they always do :rolleyes:.

It sets a dangerous precedent

“If someone does something that isn’t a criminal offence but the victim, or anyone else, believes it was motivated by prejudice or hate, we would class this as a ‘hate incident’. Though what the perpetrator has done may not be against the law, their reasons for doing it are. This means it may be possible to charge them with an offence"

I'm not sure how anyone can think that the above is reasonable and not totally orwellian. It's literally trying to charge people for thought crimes that they have no way to defend themselves against. Scary stuff.

Donald Trump · 21-03-2018 06:23AM

Barking mad!

Fair jews to the Judge

These despicable canine actions should make us all paws to reflect

Doggy style FTW!

2 Scoops · 21-03-2018 08:40AM

Philip Defranco spot on as always

cantdecide · 21-03-2018 08:46AM

2 Scoops wrote: »

Philip Defranco spot on as always

'The joke was anti-NAZI, not anti-Semitic" - precisely.

Mrs Shuttleworth · 21-03-2018 08:50AM

The irony of this particular prosecution is that it's the one that will cause people to ask the question, "why"?

And when they think about it the arguments being fuelled for years on rickety old conspiracy sites, together with much other madness we see around us, start to have a semblance of coherence.

cantdecide · 21-03-2018 08:59AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWjL4u3I5r8

A Jewish [philosophy?] professor who escaped persecution in Lebanon condemning the conviction.

facehugger99 · 21-03-2018 09:08AM

People should be rightly appalled. We are but a small step away from people being accused of thought-crimes. It's very easy to go after the nazi dog owners, but who's next?

I think all dog owners should stand up for freedom of speech - teach your dog a nazi salute and upload to Youtube. A line has to be drawn in the sand before any more of our personal freedoms are eroded.

CrankyHaus · 21-03-2018 09:26AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It sets a dangerous precedent

“If someone does something that isn’t a criminal offence but the victim, or anyone else, believes it was motivated by prejudice or hate, we would class this as a ‘hate incident’. Though what the perpetrator has done may not be against the law, their reasons for doing it are. This means it may be possible to charge them with an offence"

I'm not sure how anyone can think that the above is reasonable and not totally orwellian. It's literally trying to charge people for thought crimes that they have no way to defend themselves against. Scary stuff.

In addition it provides the far-right with Martyrs (like the clown in this case).

Our own laws on incitement of violence strike a much better balance with freedom of expression than the UK's ones on hate speech.

Sadly it looks like we'll be following the UK, after they've had 30 years to prove it's bad law: http://https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/hate-crime-legislation-needed-as-matter-of-urgency-1.3022528

Chips Lovell · 21-03-2018 09:33AM

As was predicted in another thread yesterday:

dav3 wrote: »

We now have a situation where far-right extremist websites and are pushing the narrative of some poor youtuber being sent to prison for simply training his dog to raise his paw. It then gets spread around platforms like facebook and twitter where it is picked up by idiots and suddenly it becomes fact.

Sigh

CrankyHaus · 21-03-2018 09:44AM

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

As was predicted in another thread yesterday:

Originally Posted by dav3 View Post
We now have a situation where far-right extremist websites and are pushing the narrative of some poor youtuber being sent to prison for simply training his dog to raise his paw. It then gets spread around platforms like facebook and twitter where it is picked up by idiots and suddenly it becomes fact.

Sigh

"Far right extremist websites" are pushing this narrative?
It is pretty much the exact wording of the headline on the BBC article on the case.

Man convicted of hate crime because his dog did a Nazi salute?

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