Man convicted of hate crime because his dog did a Nazi salute?

Ultimate Seduction

What is going on at all. Becoming a bit of a cliche now but this really is 1984! Not 2018

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Charlie19

That's ruff.

The_Valeyard

Barking mad.

baylah17

Didn't get half long enough the evil prick.

Ipso

Aryan having a laugh? Probably was a German Shepherd.

Huexotzingo

The world is Goring crazy.

Jim Bob Scratcher

So many puns :pac:

Stheno

Ipso wrote: »

Aryan having a laugh? Probably was a German Shepherd.

Twas a pugly dog

brevity

Heel Hitler

ohnonotgmail

"gas the Jews" What a lolmeister he is.

wingsof daun

Now you know who is running our countries, yes, the joo.

AlphabetCards

baylah17 wrote: »

Didn't get half long enough the evil prick.

He didn't get sentenced - you haven't read a single article about it have you?

McMurphy

AlphabetCards wrote: »

He didn't get sentenced - you haven't read a single article about it have you?

Nope, he did Nazi the relevant story by the looks of things.

ceadaoin.

The part that I find worrying is this which was on the met police website until earlier

If someone does something that isn’t a criminal offence but the victim, or anyone else, believes it was motivated by prejudice or hate, we would class this as a ‘hate incident’. Though what the perpetrator has done may not be against the law, their reasons for doing it are. This means it may be possible to charge them with an offence

Sounds like a thought crime tbh! How could someone prove that their reasons for saying something which is not even considered a hate crime or offensive speech weren't really motivated by hate? And how could anyone possibly claim to know what someones motivations are?

hatrickpatrick

F*cling joke, but Britain has been going to the dogs for years. Free speech, online privacy, Internet freedom all went out the window around 2010 and have been getting steadily worse each year since then.

Ultimate Seduction

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Nope, he did Nazi the relevant story by the looks of things.

I always appreciate good witty humour and that is by far one of the best examples I've seen.

Wibbs

We had a German Shepherd and my dad named him Rommel. Didn't do the Nazi salute, though he cocked his leg on the regular. I knew a lad who had another German Shepherd that was called Adolph.

hatrickpatrick

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

F*cling joke, but Britain has been going to the dogs for years. Free speech, online privacy, Internet freedom all went out the window around 2010 and have been getting steadily worse each year since then.

I see what you did there. Nein/10

Arghus

In terms of speed, I always greyhounds were supposed to be the fascist dog breed.

Ulysses Gaze

jaxxx

Now that's what you call, ruff justice!

Ipso

A bit of a stormfront in a tea cup.

Ulysses Gaze

Your Face

His ears are a hate crime.

delly

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

As mad as the thought is, I wonder would this type of comedy be tolerated on tv today?

20Cent

They should lock up the dog as well.

Ulysses Gaze

20Cent wrote: »

They should lock up the dog as well.

**** that...put the dog down.

jaxxx

delly wrote: »

As mad as the thought is, I wonder would this type of comedy be tolerated on tv today?

I'd be willing to wager all that I have that it would in fact be as tolerated as calling Caitlin Jenner... Well you can use your own imagination there :pac:

jaxxx

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

**** that...put the dog down.

Clearly the dog is mentally disturbed and needs psychiatric help!

cantdecide

NAZI jokes.... bad [serious face]. 40yr long grooming gangs... run along you little scamps

Ulysses Gaze

jaxxx wrote: »

Clearly the dog is mentally disturbed and needs psychiatric help!

Interesting I saw an article posted on the BBC Twitter that highlights how the Nazi's took a dim view to a Finnish dog that was trained to give a Nazi Salute

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12139150

A Finnish dog which gave Nazi salutes so annoyed Germany's World War II government that it launched a campaign against its owner.

Tor Borg's wife had reportedly given Jackie the nickname Hitler - saying the dog's strange way of raising its paw and barking reminded her of the Fuhrer.

In one exchange, dated 29 January 1941, German Vice Consul Willy Erkelenz in Helsinki wrote that "a witness, who does not want to be named, said he saw and heard how Borg's dog reacted to the command 'Hitler' by raising its paw".

Mr Borg was called into the German embassy for questioning, where he admitted that his wife Josephine - a known anti-Nazi German - had called the dog Hitler, but denied being involved in anything "that could be seen as an insult against the German Reich".

The embassy, however, thought otherwise, telling officials in Berlin: "Borg, even though he claims otherwise, is not telling the truth."

The Foreign Office spent three months investigating ways of bringing Mr Borg to trial for insulting Hitler, but no witnesses would come forward, the newspaper reports.

doolox

I recall many years ago when I worked for a multinational company and some people working for the company noticed a piece of test equipment with heavy metal sides bore a resemblance to a tank and painted a swastika on it.

Nothing was made of the piece of vandalism until a group of German visitors to the company were being taken around with some senior management types and a huge furore erupted over the presence of the swastika on the equipment.

Apparently it is seriously illegal to use Nazi symbols, salutes, gestures or slogans in Germany even in humour, probably like as if someone were to make jokes about the Great famine here nobody would be happy.....

On another note I was once attending Mass in Puerto Rico in a small village and when people recited the lords prayer, in Spanish, everyone raised their right hand. Much to my consternation and alarm in what is a US territory.

The right hand extended was apparently the way Roman soldiers and people saluted and found its way into prayer and devotion in some countries.

You wouldn't want to try that lark in Germany. Context is everything.

Zebra3

Incredible that people can call for carpet bombing countries and that’s deemed fine but something offensive but just stupid like what happened in this case ends up with a criminal conviction.

jaxxx

cantdecide wrote: »

NAZI jokes.... bad [serious face]. 40yr long grooming gangs... run along you little scamps

Did you hear about the time Hitler got hit with a boomerang? Apparently he did nazi it coming!

uck51js9zml2yt

delly wrote: »

As mad as the thought is, I wonder would this type of comedy be tolerated on tv today?

Yes.
Just look at all the reruns

Ultimate Seduction

delly wrote: »

As mad as the thought is, I wonder would this type of comedy be tolerated on tv today?

It's still on TV today. Father Ted marathon of a Sunday night on more 4

20Cent

He was also saying gas the jews repeatedly while showing hitler speeches in the video so it wasn't just the dogs fault.

end of the road

i wouldn't expect anything less from britain.

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If someone does something that isn’t a criminal offence but the victim, or anyone else, believes it was motivated by prejudice or hate, we would class this as a ‘hate incident’. Though what the perpetrator has done may not be against the law, their reasons for doing it are. This means it may be possible to charge them with an offence
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this is dangerous stuff IMO.

Franz Von Peppercorn

end of the road wrote: »

i wouldn't expect anything less from britain.

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If someone does something that isn’t a criminal offence but the victim, or anyone else, believes it was motivated by prejudice or hate, we would class this as a ‘hate incident’. Though what the perpetrator has done may not be against the law, their reasons for doing it are. This means it may be possible to charge them with an offence
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this is dangerous stuff IMO.

What does it even mean?

Something isn’t a criminal offence but nevertheless there’s a “victim” and if the victim or anybody else believes there’s predjudice the police will see it as an offence.

This criminalises all behaviour, provided somebody sees it as a prejudicial. A man could be walking down the street and accused of a hate crime.

soups05

in fairness, old adolf actually was misheard, he was thirsty and asked for a glass of juice, the rest is history.


















i'll get me coat

Sheepdish1

delly wrote: »

As mad as the thought is, I wonder would this type of comedy be tolerated on tv today?

I was watching the show “Friends” from the 90’s and was wondering the same thing?! Would it be tolerated today?!

Sheepdish1

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

I was watching the show “Friends” from the 90’s and was wondering the same thing?! Would it be tolerated today?!

That’s clearly racist and sexist.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057830523

Mrs Shuttleworth

end of the road wrote: »

i wouldn't expect anything less from britain.

Quote:
If someone does something that isn’t a criminal offence but the victim, or anyone else, believes it was motivated by prejudice or hate, we would class this as a ‘hate incident’. Though what the perpetrator has done may not be against the law, their reasons for doing it are. This means it may be possible to charge them with an offence
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this is dangerous stuff IMO.

And we all know it will only work one way.

People are starting to wake up. Even uber luvvie Ricky Gervais has spoken out against this prosecution.

Oldtree

I think that somthing wrong here in that the dog would have had to straighten it's elbow in a forward motion to give a nazi salute. Clearly dogs can't do that, so another miscarriage of justice in the UK. The dog wasn't Irish by any chance was it

end of the road

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

What does it even mean?

Something isn’t a criminal offence but nevertheless there’s a “victim” and if the victim or anybody else believes there’s predjudice the police will see it as an offence.

This criminalises all behaviour, provided somebody sees it as a prejudicial. A man could be walking down the street and accused of a hate crime.

yes by the looks of it. dangerous stuff as i said.

The dog knows exactly what it was doing the little anti Semitic f*ck.

Snake Plisken

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

And we all know it will only work one way.

People are starting to wake up. Even uber luvvie Ricky Gervais has spoken out against this prosecution.

He is not an Uber luvvie, he is getting tons of abuse over in twitter for his Netflix special, he just takes it in his stride.
On this joke of a conviction even the top Jewish comedian in the U.K. David Badeil says he shouldn’t be prosecuted. This same law is being discussed here to replace the blasphemy laws and in my option what’s proposed is actually worse then what we have!

Oldtree

Snake Plisken wrote: »

This same law is being discussed here to replace the blasphemy laws and in my option what’s proposed is actually worse then what we have!

Blasphemy laws in 2018.... well **** me sideways with a large straight yellow banana

Sierra Eire

Adolf Hitler was such a meanie.

The guy who shot him is my hero.

notincluding

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

What is going on at all. Becoming a bit of a cliche now but this really is 1984! Not 2018

Check out @BBCNews’;s Tweet:

good to see the police concentrating on the important things

FCIM

"Gas the Jews". Anyone who thinks that's remotely funny or has sympathy with a clown who think it is and feels hard done by because he got caught wants their head examined.

Should there be a song and dance about it? No. He's just a d!ckhead who isn't worthy of anyone's attention, but the Far Right will try to make a martyr out of an absolute waste of sperm like they always do :rolleyes:.