The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

PhoenixParker · 15-03-2018 05:35PM

January wrote: »

18-45? Try from average age of 10 to around age 45.

18-45 Is the time period used to calculate rates if abortion which is why I went with it.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 15-03-2018 06:00PM

Also I find it absolutely insane that anyone with any connection to the Catholic Church would have the sheer audocity to say “what about the babies? What about life?” Given their record with children and women of reproductive age, and how they were treated

SusieBlue · 15-03-2018 06:05PM

Valerie Fat Turbojet wrote: »

Also I find it absolutely insane that anyone with any connection to the Catholic Church would have the sheer audocity to say “what about the babies? What about life?” Given their record with children and women of reproductive age, and how they were treated

If I could thank this twice I would. Hypocrisy of the highest order!

retro:electro · 15-03-2018 06:31PM

Graces7 wrote: »

No good ever came of killing another to serve self. If the family is too poor then they should have practised safe sex.

It is called taking responsibility for your own actions. Rather than punishing an innocent for your mistakes.

The hypocrisy is strong but frankly not at all surprising, Your Grace.

Havockk · 15-03-2018 08:03PM

Sierra Eire wrote: »

I am not a "re-reg". This is my first account on this site and I use my username on every website I use. Try googling it. I can't find anything trollish about my question in this thread.

I find it ridiculous that a number of pro-abortion people cry "women's rights!!!" even though healthy little unborn girls are the majority of abortion victims. If you think I am a troll for not buying this "women's rights" pro-abortion argument then you are naive.

OK. So I took your advice and I googled your name.

I found your youtube channel. I know you have hidden it by this stage... unfortunately for you it's still available cached.

Well... well.... well. I see you like mid 20thC German history LOL

Havockk · 15-03-2018 08:04PM

Ahhh Dave... tis yourself

Oldtree · 15-03-2018 08:06PM

Havockk wrote: »

Ahhh Dave... tis yourself

Where's Dave from? Was I right in my guess?

Edit: changed my mind, I don't care

, hopefully he will go back the hole he crawled out of soon!

Havockk · 15-03-2018 08:40PM

Sierra Eire wrote: »

I'm a nazi (national socialist) because I don't support murdering babies? I'm not sure that makes any sense.

Definitely not a socialist. I believe in freedom and limited government.

ForestFire · 15-03-2018 08:56PM

Valerie Fat Turbojet wrote: »

Also I find it absolutely insane that anyone with any connection to the Catholic Church would have the sheer audocity to say “what about the babies? What about life?” Given their record with children and women of reproductive age, and how they were treated

Do you really think the ordinary members of the Catholic church today even knew about Tuam?

Do you not think that even though they are members, they know that what happened there was wrong?

Are you suggestion that members of the Catholic church can never find wrong in anything again because of past wrongs by the church itself?

The pro choice side tactics now seem to be to discredit every pro life arguement based on the poster and their beliefs, rather than the argument itself.

Are you in favour of removing Catholics from the democratic vote n the 8th all together, because of the church?

I know in some cases, with certain posts, it's very hard to resist, but I don't think it's helpful.

I am not practicing Catholic or decided on my vote for the record.

Oldtree · 15-03-2018 09:05PM

ForestFire wrote: »

Do you really think the ordinary members of the Catholic church today even knew about Tuam?

Do you not think that even though they are members, they know that what happened there was wrong?

Are you suggestion that members of the Catholic church can never find wrong in anything again because of past wrongs by the church itself?

The pro choice side tactics now seem to be to discredit every pro life arguement based on the poster and their beliefs, rather than the argument itself.

Are you in favour of removing Catholics from the democratic vote n the 8th all together, because of the church?

I know in some cases, with certain posts, it's very hard to resist, but I don't think it's helpful.

I am not practicing Catholic or decided on my vote for the record.

I think that a lot of what went on was ignored by many, many Irish people and that fear made many, many Irish people stick their heads in the sand for so long. And yes a lot of Irish people knew what went on. The Catholic mindset of old was so ingrained that it continues today.

No I'm not in favor of anyone having their vote withdrawn, but I think we will see clearly how far we have come in may.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 15-03-2018 09:11PM

ForestFire wrote: »

Do you really think the ordinary members of the Catholic church today even knew about Tuam?

Do you not think that even though they are members, they know that what happened there was wrong?

Are you suggestion that members of the Catholic church can never find wrong in anything again because of past wrongs by the church itself?

The pro choice side tactics now seem to be to discredit every pro life arguement based on the poster and their beliefs, rather than the argument itself.

Are you in favour of removing Catholics from the democratic vote n the 8th all together, because of the church?

I know in some cases, with certain posts, it's very hard to resist, but I don't think it's helpful.

I am not practicing Catholic or decided on my vote for the record.

I believe members from the Catholic Church should butt the **** out of issues that don’t concern them. Do you think some mickey dodging aul one of a nun is ever going to have to worry about being refused medical treatment for a serious illness, being cut the entire way to her backside, or left to rot in a bed with sepsis? No she won’t. Does it affect priests? No. So they have no right to be be pontificating about how all life is equal when their very institutions are known for horrific and unspeakable actions against child bearing women and the care of babies, born and unborn. It’s not that long ago since the last laundry closed it’s door on Irish soil. Children from these homes are still fighting tooth and nail to find their birth families and to gain access to birth certs and medical history.

If they had any remorse, sadness or empathy they’d shut their mouths on this issue but they won’t because they’ll never get to grips with not controlling the country and not being allowed to treat women like sluts for having sex.

david75 · 15-03-2018 10:25PM

So all the pro choice groups have coalesced.

https://twitter.com/together4yes/status/974232871895433216?s=21

Ismisejack · 15-03-2018 10:35PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

The Pro-life side tend to forget that with every forced upon unwanted full term pregnancy they're impeding an actual existing citizen's rights, not a "person in the making".

Are you going to contribute or just drop troll-like soundbites until you're eventually banned? Genuinely curious as you sprint away from any and all replies.

No woman is ever “forced “ into having a pregnancy( unless there the unfortunate victim of a terrible crime that is rape), it is a choice they make, and a woman should think hard before there sure they want a baby, and realise if they are willing to take risks in bed they must be willing to carry any resulting child to birth and thereafter

david75 · 15-03-2018 10:38PM

Ismisejack wrote: »

No woman is ever “forced “ into having a pregnancy( unless there the unfortunate victim of a terrible crime that is rape), it is a choice they make, and a woman should think hard before there sure they want a baby, and realise if they are willing to take risks in bed they must be willing to carry any resulting child to birth and thereafter

Keep saying exactly that. To anyone that will listen. Especially women. See you in May after the result.

robarmstrong · 15-03-2018 10:46PM

Ismisejack wrote: »

No woman is ever “forced “ into having a pregnancy( unless there the unfortunate victim of a terrible crime that is rape), it is a choice they make, and a woman should think hard before there sure they want a baby, and realise if they are willing to take risks in bed they must be willing to carry any resulting child to birth and thereafter

Ah there he is, the troll is back!

So here let me just discredit your entire little soundbite there mmkay.

Have you comprehended that there is no guaranteed 100% fully effective method of contraception?

Are you indirectly advocating that sex should be used entirely for procreation?

"if they are willing to take risks in bed" - a man could be wearing a condom whilst the lady is on the pill and there is still a chance a little swimmer could make their way through.

Do you want us to just dry-hump one another into oblivion based on your outdated mindset and ideologies?

RobertKK · 15-03-2018 10:47PM

Prime Time is interesting, no evidence of the retain the 8th of taking foreign money, unlike Repeal the 8th.

david75 · 15-03-2018 10:49PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Prime Time is interesting, no evidence of the retain the 8th of taking foreign money, unlike Repeal the 8th.

I’m selling a huge statue in New York on the Hudson River, while you’re buying everything.

RobertKK · 15-03-2018 10:51PM

david75 wrote: »

I’m selling a huge statue in New York on the Hudson River, while you’re buying everything.

Is that how repeal the 8th are getting the foreign money?

Ismisejack · 15-03-2018 10:51PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Ah there he is, the troll is back!

So here let me just discredit your entire little soundbite there mmkay.

Have you comprehended that there is no guaranteed 100% fully effective method of contraception?

Are you indirectly advocating that sex should be used entirely for procreation?

"if they are willing to take risks in bed" - a man could be wearing a condom whilst the lady is on the pill and there is still a chance a little swimmer could make their way through.

Do you want us to just dry-hump one another into oblivion based on your outdated mindset and ideologies?

No, however one always has to be willing to risk pregnancy if there having sex, as in the event of conception a baby grows and the baby can’t be just killed as it was unintentional, that although through no fault of anyone, killing the baby would be barbaric as that’s what abortion is, baby killing

PopePalpatine · 15-03-2018 10:52PM

Havockk wrote: »

#LoveBoth

markodaly · 15-03-2018 10:55PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Prime Time is interesting, no evidence of the retain the 8th of taking foreign money, unlike Repeal the 8th.

Well the repeal the 8th crowd certainly have come out worse here.

Interesting as the the pro choice side always gave out about American money going into Irish pro-life coffers. Now the shoe is on the other foot, are they going to clean up house, or just shout out loudly and point the finger at the other side (with no real proof) as a way to deflect.

Morality eh, such an invisible line.

robarmstrong · 15-03-2018 10:56PM

Ismisejack wrote: »

No, however one always has to be willing to risk pregnancy if there having sex, as in the event of conception a baby grows and the baby can’t be just killed as it was unintentional, that although through no fault of anyone, killing the baby would be barbaric as that’s what abortion is, baby killing

It's not a baby, it's a fetus.

It hasn't been born, it has not yet become a citizen of Ireland, it is currently residing inside the property of a citizen of Ireland.

Abortion is barbaric? Get a grip mate. So is molesting kids, shoving payouts under parents noses and throwing ill babies into a mass grave in the back arse of nowhere, but I know what the lesser of two evils is here.

What's barbaric is suppressing a woman's right to choose what happens with her own body.

david75 · 15-03-2018 10:58PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Is that how repeal the 8th are getting the foreign money?

All the companies and there are many, registered to the same address as Iona strangely enough, would have and do have ways of funnelling their US dollars.

Not interested in a pissing match about that. There are two different threads about referendum funding in the after hours and politics section.

Want to talk about that you’ll find all your myopic views and conspiracies in those threads.

Be good to keep this one on topic.

*ps whose paying for the thousands of billboard pro life posters nationwide?
Irish donations? Again, I’m selling a giant statue of you want to buy one.

volchitsa · 15-03-2018 11:05PM

Ismisejack wrote: »

No woman is ever “forced “ into having a pregnancy( unless there the unfortunate victim of a terrible crime that is rape), it is a choice they make, and a woman should think hard before there sure they want a baby, and realise if they are willing to take risks in bed they must be willing to carry any resulting child to birth and thereafter

What about the man, if he is "willing to take risks in bed",what's his punishment?

markodaly · 15-03-2018 11:18PM

david75 wrote: »

All the companies and there are many, registered to the same address as Iona strangely enough, would have and do have ways of funnelling their US dollars.

Not interested in a pissing match about that. There are two different threads about referendum funding in the after hours and politics section.

Want to talk about that you’ll find all your myopic views and conspiracies in those threads.

Be good to keep this one on topic.

*ps whose paying for the thousands of billboard pro life posters nationwide?
Irish donations? Again, I’m selling a giant statue of you want to buy one.

So, thats the deflection tactic so.

Shame, as I thought the pro-choice crowd at least were more honest and had integrity.

ForestFire · 15-03-2018 11:19PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

So is molesting kids, shoving payouts under parents noses and throwing ill babies into a mass grave in the back arse of nowhere, but I know what the lesser of two evils is here.
.

We all know these things are morally wrong.

But how can this can be an argument for something less morally wrong is beyond me. It's still wrong (for the people making this argument, as all the other things).

Maybe you think it's not wrong at all, which is a different situation.

robarmstrong · 15-03-2018 11:21PM

markodaly wrote: »

So, thats the deflection tactic so.

Shame, as I thought the pro-choice crowd at least were more honest and had integrity.

I'd consider the people not wanting to harass women into keeping an unwanted pregnancy and suppressing them the right to autonomy of their own body would hold more integrity than those who are the opposite of which I've described.

robarmstrong · 15-03-2018 11:23PM

ForestFire wrote: »

We all know these things are morally wrong.

But how can this can be an argument for something less morally wrong is beyond me. It's still wrong (for the people making this argument, as all the other things).

Maybe you think it's not wrong at all, which is a different situation.

I think abortion is wrong.

I think oppressing women's rights is more wrong especially in the case where a developing fetus has more rights than an actual born citizen.

Someone previously stated that all the pro-lifers would be extremely grateful the 8th was repealed if circumstances in their own personal lives merited an abortion but would never admit it is probably the truest thing I've read in this thread.

markodaly · 15-03-2018 11:30PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

I'd consider the people not wanting to harass women into keeping an unwanted pregnancy and suppressing them the right to autonomy of their own body would hold more integrity than those who are the opposite of which I've described.

Thats lovely and your point of view, but again its a deflection from the question I asked.

If people in the past have been upset over foreign money going to pro-life movements, then why are the same people accepting of it now? Do you not have any integrity?

Ave Sodalis · 15-03-2018 11:31PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Someone previously stated that all the pro-lifers would be extremely grateful the 8th was repealed if circumstances in their own personal lives merited an abortion but would never admit it is probably the truest thing I've read in this thread.

It's also true that pro-choice people would love a society where abortion would never be needed, but that's impossible as so long as women are capable of becoming pregnant, there will be abortions (legal or not).

The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

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