500 emails to rent a small 1 bed in Dublin.

gar32 wrote: »

I can not up the price there is a rental cap if you have not read. That is not the point. People need housing !!!!

Sorry, you had not mentioned you were in an RPZ.

People need housing but if we stopped all the market interference there would be plenty of housing. End HAP/Rent Allowance etc. It creates a price floor.

Resume building social housing. Stop relying on state subsidising the private sector. These are sensible (read: will not happen) iniatives

gar32 wrote: »

Unemployed is at 6% Maybe higher in Dublin. Where does these people live in the city? Flats that where built in the 1970's. More blocks are needed so people don't have to spend 10 hours a week traveling to and from work.

10 hours a week commuting, 1 hour each way per day is pretty much a baseline I would think. Certainly not that many people around Dublin spend less than 45 mins getting to work each morning, unless you are like a short walk to work.

handlemaster wrote: »

there was a time just a few years ago where fence sitters were telling people not to buy when prices were on tge floor. where have they gone ?

Mostly beaten down by the sheer stupidity of government actions over the years.

Here is what I would do. Since you asked.

https://www.eire.com/2018/completion-payment-contracts-a-structure-to-get-irish-housing-moving/

Del2005 wrote: »

Instead of living in a hotel to get a cheap house next to Mammy why not move your whole family to a different area, which is what people who pay full price have to do.

Is Mammy going to be consulted or just bundled into the back of a van in the dead of night?

ELM327 wrote: »

Completely irrelevant. Mammy has a house.
Live and let live. Cut loose and build social housing.

I assume you are reading Del's "whole family" differently than I did.

Couple of factors that never get discussed in the housing crisis.
(i) There are 100'000 overseas students in Ireland, majority in Dublin. Out of the population of people looking for accomodation at any given time, they are a very very big part.
(ii) This is a matter of fact, not opinion so if you want to challenge it, challenge it on factual lines. The HAP system provides massive benefits to tenants that are eligible. But there is zero benefit to landlords. HAP is basically saying- people on low wages "we will give you a subsidy such that you can afford the same level of housing as someone on a much higher wage". Now being able to afford housing, and being able to get housing are two different things. What in effect is happening is that the HAP person uses the subsidy to try to outbid the person who is in a middle income job. The middle income person has to pay up to the max that the HAP person can afford. And at that point, the landlord inevitably says - well I have a choice here between one tenant where I have to fill out a load of forms, get authorisations from my bank, make my property open to inspections every two months, and be dealing with both the state and the tenant if the tenant decides to stop paying their share - and another person where I can just sign a lease and away we go..........which is more attractive for the landlord in your opinion?

ELM327 wrote: »

He said "to get a house next to mammy".
I read that as the typical "turning down viable houses" case.

I didnt see a different way of reading that. Perhaps I've missed something

Del suggested that an appropriate solution would be for the "whole family" to move to a lower demand area. I assumed he meant "including Mammy" and questioned whether she would be happy to do this, being an independent adult with social ties to the area.

And you then posted, rather oddly, that my response was irrelevant.

Perhaps you quoted the wrong post.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Until there’s a crash and the banks are bailed out again.

I don't agree with that either....
But it's not relevant to the discussion at hand.

Lumen wrote: »

Del suggested that an appropriate solution would be for the "whole family" to move to a lower demand area. I assumed he meant "including Mammy" and questioned whether she would be happy to do this, being an independent adult with social ties to the area.

And you then posted, rather oddly, that my response was irrelevant.

Perhaps you quoted the wrong post.

I assumed the whole family did not exclude extended family. You can't, after all, compel a self-funding member of society who has bought their own property to move house.

I did not quote the wrong post, I see now we read it differently. My comment is directed at those who refuse a free (or token contribution) house.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Ireland is nowhere in the category of world cities. And people in those places do complain about house prices.

Why not compare Dublin to Manchester?

Because Dublin is our capital city and as such the correct relevant comparison is London.
Have you tried sourcing property in London these days?

I have.. assisting our London office for new staff. And I can tell you, it's so much of a nightmare that we provide accomodation for the first 4-6 weeks for a new starter that is from outside the area and also offer to give salary advances for deposits.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Ireland is nowhere in the category of world cities. And people in those places do complain about house prices.

Why not compare Dublin to Manchester?

Dont know what you mean "nowhere in the category of" thats incredibly vague and no grounds for basing an argument.

Dublin has a massive amount of international businesses employing international people. Facebook, Google, Ebay, State Street, Citi, SAP, Intel ......massive international businesses that employ hundreds of thousands in Dublin city and its surrounds.

It has an international workforce, and that is impacting on the housing market.

Thats a characteristic of the cities I mentioned. its not a characteristic of Manchester. Comparing Dublin to Manchester is Apples and Oranges.

And yes people in those places complain about house prices; but nowhere on the level seen in Ireland, even though San Francisco or Luxembourg would be far more unaffordable than Dublin.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s a small city. Not a world city.



That’s not the reason for high prices. If it were prices would never have dropped post 2008. It’s supply and demand.



That’s also a supply and demand mismatch.



Similar sized provincial working class cities. They are historically far more similar than Dublin is to London.



It’s causing attacks on the buses ferrying IT workers in San Francisco, and seen a resurgence of the Labour Party in London. A Labour Party that promises massive house building. Of course people complain in those countries.

In fact Silicon Valley is worried that people are leaving. The net migration is zero. There are articles on this literally every day in the mercury news and the chronicle.

(i) You insist on dealing in Vague.....its a small city is not a World city...... what does this mean?

Mexico City has 20 million people. Buenos Aires has 15 million. They dont have housing crises....... You are not making a point here at all.

(ii) Historically doesnt come into it. Historically people lived in farms.

(iii) There's a supply and demand mismatch. Correct, there sure is.

(iv) Re 2008 - cast your mind back to that time - remember the PIIGS economies? Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain? Which is the only one thats had a strong recovery? Which is the only one that has a strong international industry base? ireland

How is Naples doing.....plenty of houses there; what about Madrid; no shortage apartments in Madrid. But all the young Madristas want to leave; and huge chunks of them are coming to Dublin. And Athens?

(v) As for your final point; I never said people in those cities were happy with the housing market. My point is, only in Ireland is it perceived as a local issue.

Tombo2001 wrote:

Couple of factors that never get discussed in the housing crisis. (i) There are 100'000 overseas students in Ireland, majority in Dublin. Out of the population of people looking for accomodation at any given time, they are a very very big part. (ii) This is a matter of fact, not opinion so if you want to challenge it, challenge it on factual lines.

The fact is that many, if not all those students are staying in single room digs. They're not really adding to the problem.