500 emails to rent a small 1 bed in Dublin.

gar32

Thinking out of the box is needed. The days of a 3 bed with garden are over.

Cuddlesworth

gar32 wrote: »

Thinking out of the box is needed. The days of a 3 bed with garden are over.

You seen a lot of ample gardens in recent estates? Because I see dense housing, front gardens that are the car parking, narrow roads and small back gardens. Even if you apply for planning right now, the planning office looks for density and use of space..

antoinolachtnai

gar32 wrote: »

http://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/interiors-living/article/2121891/how-hong-kongs-low-cost-housing-pipe-dream-became

This is not an actual thing. It is a concept. There are some pretty renders and that's about all. As far as I know, no one is building these and no one is living on them (other than proof-of-concept single units).

The idea is that you can construct and fit out the unit for $15000. You still need land, services, decks and all the rest of it. I have my doubts about the pricing myself. I can't see how you could do the 'feature' circular glazing at the ends inside that budget.

You can probably deliver demountable accommodation for €50,000 a unit. We should do this certainly as a stop-gap.

zom

gar32 wrote: »

When are the people going to get FG / FF to do something about housing ???

People are too stupid to do anything about it. They will vote FF / FG and even if they will be forced to live in dog kennels...

gar32 wrote: »

Thinking out of the box is needed. The days of a 3 bed with garden are over.

Not for everyone - if you know proper people you will easily get good job for good money and banks will crawl to lend you money for "3 bed with garden"...

CruelCoin

gar32 wrote: »

facehugger99 So money to pay back France & Germany for the banks mistakes is OK but to get people a roof over their head it not? Housing is a human right and with the weather in Ireland it has to be LOL

Housing is available at affordable rates.

Just not where you want to be.

Housing as a human right does not extend to being close to mammy.

CruelCoin

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Mexico City has 20 million people. Buenos Aires has 15 million. They dont have housing crises....... You are not making a point here at all.

Both of those have massive slums.....No housing crisis you say?

CruelCoin

El Tarangu wrote: »

Given that there are no longer any flats to rent for less than €1k per month, I would be very surprised if you could buy a flat in Hong Kong for €15k.

15k in Hong Kong gets you one of these....

https://www.google.ie/search?q=hong+kong+coffin+apartments&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjDpZeF8OvZAhUUa8AKHUh1CIwQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=989

zom

CruelCoin wrote: »

Housing is available at affordable rates.

Just not where you want to be.

Housing as a human right does not extend to being close to mammy.

This way we can trumpet solving all social problems in Ireland:
- Housing - we have empty houses in Leitrim.
- Healthcare - we have lot of paracetamol and flat seven up.
- Poverty - we have lot of vacancies for highly skilled IT specialists.
- Crime - we have safe places to live and work in Dublin 4.

thierry14

gar32 wrote: »

They are working in the banks now trying to get you to save 40% of the price of an over price 3 bed before you pay the highest interest rates in Europe on the rest.

How it should be

Deposit part

People might pay mortgages then

Its like free money to some

Tombo2001

CruelCoin wrote: »

Both of those have massive slums.....No housing crisis you say?

They dont have rents shooting through the roof. Apples and apples please.

rossmores

The ease at which lack of housing is the fault of everyone but themselves

CruelCoin

Tombo2001 wrote: »

They dont have rents shooting through the roof. Apples and apples please.

So a rental crisis is only to be defined by rents increasing? That's the only crisis creator?

You think those people are there by choice? Rents don't apply to them?

You mentioned housing, not renting when you brought those cities up. Stop moving the goalposts.

dubstepper

There does seem to be some merit to moving unemployed people further out of the city. As long as where they are moved has proper infrastructure; schools, roards, sports grounds etc. There are many unemployed people living in D8/D6 with the state paying, while there are workers having to travel from outside Dublin because they can't afford to buy or rent. Could this lead to ghettoisation?

CruelCoin

rossmores wrote: »

The ease at which lack of housing is the fault of everyone but themselves

Tax the bollox off landlords - act all shocked when they sell up to vulture funds.
Foster a punitive anti-landlord climate in the courts - act all shocked when landlords try to limit people entering part-4.
Demand that all new buildings are Class A energy efficient - act shocked when there are no budget homes for poor people in prime areas.
Bitch and whinge about Dublins "beautifull" skyline and limit upwards expansion - act shocked when price rises ripple out into the countryside faster than Usain Bolt.

The people, and the politicians they elected to represent them have entirely created the current situation. Welcome to the world you wanted.

Kuva

To many people. Population control needed.

Idbatterim

want to solve the housing crisis at no extra cost? Simple, change apartment regulations, they would start building them in droves. It is that simple, there doesnt need to be endless comment and debate. They arent being built in any significant number, as it is not or barely profitable. Pretty much all apartments being built, would be for high income couples (fair play to them) But virtually nothing is being built for low to mid income workers, due to economics. Economics that can be changed very quickly and easily, but it is not being done. Ask yourself why!

now developers will hardly pass on a 40% saving, if regulation changes meant that their costs dropped 40%. They will still charge what they can get for them, but at least it would start apartment construction in earnest...

oh also the ridiculous height restrictions need to be lifted, the height should be appropriate for the area, simple as, there should not be blanket height restrictions, it is ridiculous...

rossmores

CruelCoin wrote: »

rossmores wrote: »

The ease at which lack of housing is the fault of everyone but themselves

Tax the bollox off landlords - act all shocked when they sell up to vulture funds.
Foster a punitive anti-landlord climate in the courts - act all shocked when landlords try to limit people entering part-4.
Demand that all new buildings are Class A energy efficient - act shocked when there are no budget homes for poor people in prime areas.
Bitch and whinge about Dublins "beautifull" skyline and limit upwards expansion - act shocked when price rises ripple out into the countryside faster than Usain Bolt.

The people, and the politicians they elected to represent them have entirely created the current situation. Welcome to the world you wanted.

communism is a failed system but i think ur havin a laugh here

CruelCoin

rossmores wrote: »

communism is a failed system but i think ur havin a laugh here

Not sure how you picked up socialist leanings from my blatantly pro-landlord post?

the_syco

gar32 wrote: »

You can buy a prefabbed 1, 2 or 3 bedroom house in Italy that has a 20 years guarantee from €35k- €80 which don't need foundations and are off the grid. Water is rain collected, Solar panels, a rated for power and heat. Just need a tank for waste water or a link to city waste system.

Build where? Seriously? The people want a house next to mammy in an area where there is no space for a house.

You have space for 20 houses. Do you build 20 houses, or do you build up, and house 200 families? The former is the current problem, the latter is the solution.

Building out means that you wish to buy your own house, you must buy it further away from where you work.

gar32 wrote: »

In Hong kong you can buy a small room studio for €15k in a block with 10,000 rooms. This could be done for students or even close too large companies for people until they get something better.

Link me, as the rooms I'm thinking of barely fit a bed.

gar32 wrote: »

There are house & home not being used in Ireland. It has been suggested to tax them if empty. Force people to use what is is there!!!

So if the house is in the middle of fcuking nowhere, and no-one wants to move in, you'll tax the owner because what? That they can't sell it?

Idbatterim wrote: »

oh also the ridiculous height restrictions need to be lifted, the height should be appropriate for the area, simple as, there should not be blanket height restrictions, it is ridiculous...

There should be minimum height restrictions put in place, for anyone building within the M50.

Idbatterim

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/property-prices-rise-by-12-5-over-last-12-months-1.3426795

any of you lads getting 25% yearly pay increases , if earning over the marginal rate, just to keep your salary up with average property price increases?

murphaph

gar32 wrote: »

I have a small 36sqm Apartment for rent in Dublin. I advertised on daft and got 500 emails in 4 days. Maybe 100 begging just to get a viewing.

When are the people going to get FG / FF to do something about housing ???

I'd stick in a new kitchen, redecorate, get new furniture and claim substantial improvement in accommodation offered then put the rent up to market rate.

The law is totally vague on what is considered enough of an improvement to warrant an exemption from the RPZ rules. There are only interpretations of the law.

500 mails means you're way way under market rate.

Idbatterim

500 mails means you're way way under market rate.

I wouldnt take that from it at all, the situation is just this insane. There is no availability. People bang on about london, the prices there are similar to here, but unlike Dublin, you can actually find somewhere to live handily enough, it wont be cheap. But the dublin situation is, not cheap and nowhere to live, unless you are on fairly serious money, where you can move away from the lower to middle end of the market...

gar32

I call the RTB and doing a new kitchen is not enough. I would have to spend a least 6k or more. I can up the rent in 2 year's without spending this money. The reason I started this tread is there are no house for working and most middle income families. Very little being done and Ireland will repeat the 2012 2013 crash if something is not done soon. 

I am ok but I am thinking of anyone under 30 and their future. You can't live with mammy for ever.

Idbatterim

gar32 wrote: »

I call the RTB and doing a new kitchen is not enough. I would have to spend a least 6k or more. I can up the rent in 2 year's without spending this money. The reason I started this tread is there are no house for working and most middle income families. Very little being done and Ireland will repeat the 2012 2013 crash if something is not done soon. 

I am ok but I am thinking of anyone under 30 and their future. You can't live with mammy for ever.

The situation is a total disgrace, its disgusting, when it can be solved very easily.

the situation is fairly different to the last time round. the last time property prices and wages were rocketing, the banks were throwing money at every one. Now property prices are rocketing, the central bank has stopped ridiculous borrowing ( a good thing) wage growth is very low and even if you receive a pay increase, likely you will lose 50% of it to the scumbags that govern us.

this is a ticking timebomb!

People were out marching over E1 a day for a family with water charges. Putting an average one bed apartment in an average area over your head in Dublin, costs E50 a day or thereabouts and us idiots are here protesting behind a keyboard! (on top of that, if you end up managing to secure the one bed apartment in Dublin, against the lotto odds that are stacked against you, good luck!)

the_syco

The main difference between London and Dublin is how cheap it is to get to commuter towns via public transport. Anywhere beyond Maynooth, and you're paying silly money to get to Dublin via train.

Idbatterim

the whole thing is fascinating. The local Councillors who look for your votes, want to limit development as much as possible, to win seats come election time. The national government, want to keep the rural vote, larger than dublins, for power purposes. Also the rising house prices, suit the many vested interest snakes here, that is why nothing is being done!!! actually that is a lie, they have been talking for years...

antodeco

I had the same issue. One bedroom flat. All bills included, €950 per month. 8000 emails in 24 hours!!! I actually couldn't believe it. Had to close the ad. Was offered €500 more than the price by people. Someone offered 12 months rent in advance! (Didn't go with any of them).

zom

antodeco wrote: »

Was offered €500 more than the price by people. Someone offered 12 months rent in advance! (Didn't go with any of them).

I bet you got something even better ?

zom

CruelCoin wrote: »

Tax the bollox off landlords - act all shocked when they sell up to vulture funds.
Foster a punitive anti-landlord climate in the courts - act all shocked when landlords try to limit people entering part-4.
Demand that all new buildings are Class A energy efficient - act shocked when there are no budget homes for poor people in prime areas.
Bitch and whinge about Dublins "beautifull" skyline and limit upwards expansion - act shocked when price rises ripple out into the countryside faster than Usain Bolt.

You talk demagogy here. You say landlords sell up properties to vulture funds - what they are doing with them then ? You say landlords are taking to court - what do you want no protection for tenants? Screw them more?? You critisize energy efficient houses - do you want people to live in dumpy rotten CHEAP accommodation then?
Last point if favourite mantra of all people from property busines: "Allows us to build high. Why cant we have second Manhattan her in Dublin" nonsense. Go and see biggest continental Europe cities how are the built that they work much better than any UK / USA / Ireland city.

rossmores

zom wrote: »

antodeco wrote: »

Was offered €500 more than the price by people. Someone offered 12 months rent in advance! (Didn't go with any of them).

I bet you got something even better ?

cheap comment, vetting to get a good tenant is the most important trumps getting max rent any day imo

Graces7

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

When are posters going to make actual concrete suggestions about how to do this instead of the usual bland build social housing?

And follow up by explaining how to get around the nimbyism where people object to aspects of almost every single development. Even when the council proposed putting in fabricated housing to get units in place quicker, the locals were out protesting about permanent housing not being built.

I was about to ask what happened about that. Modular housing is a fast track answer. In the Uk after the war we had acres of prefabs and we certainly had a housing crisis then with whole cities bombed out,

pilly

Graces7 wrote: »

I was about to ask what happened about that. Modular housing is a fast track answer. In the Uk after the war we had acres of prefabs and we certainly had a housing crisis then with whole cities bombed out,

To be fair the people protesting about them building the prefab units instead of permanent housing were correct, in the end it took 18 months to build them, permanent housing could be built in that time.

Graces7

pilly wrote: »

To be fair the people protesting about them building the prefab units instead of permanent housing were correct, in the end it took 18 months to build them, permanent housing could be built in that time.

But they come ready made atop a lorry? No building needed? Just the plumbing and wiring etc.

pilly

Graces7 wrote: »

But they come ready made atop a lorry? No building needed? Just the plumbing and wiring etc.

Yeah, you would think that would be simple, never is once Irish builders are involved.

Graces7

pilly wrote: »

Yeah, you would think that would be simple, never is once Irish builders are involved.

WHY did I even ask! I actually live in one now. It was lying empty, council owned, deserted as , as they said ,"There is no demand for social housing on that island>" I was facing life in my car so I made waves. So simple to connect it all even out here in the wilds.

Goodness knows how many council houses are wasted like this.

I was coming home near Westport last week when I saw one just like mine atop a lorry. So simple

gar32

So update. I am up to 700 emails asking for my small apartment. I have had people beg, promise, suggest high price, offer 6 months money in advance, Couples both working but with the HAP payment also. Dublin I read is more expensive then London to live in.

I just wish those 700 people would contact their TD and explain how they can not get somewhere to live. Maybe 50 people said their landlord where selling. Some people wrote that the are homeless and finding it hard to find a place. People working for the higher paid software companies writing as if they are going to move in as the get paid X amount. It has been an experience for me as an accidental land lord and I hope someone or some party come up with improvement as I know there are many in shared rooms or stuck in their parents house for a long time to come if not.

handlemaster

So who you going to choose ?

ELM327

handlemaster wrote: »

So who you going to choose ?

Or perhaps a better question, how do you choose from 500 candidates? Probably at least 25-30% would be good candidates (eg permanent job, full deposit, great references etc). It's a crap shoot

TanyGray

This thread caught my interest.
I have a 1 bed apartment that I had rented from about 5 years ago until about a month ago at about 40% - 50% below the market.
We recently finished doing it up and have decided to put it on AirBNB , because of the rent control, and also because there is a big risk if a tenant goes rogue, as they say.

We had loads people emailing, begging to take it and we hadnt even advertised it.
As a result of those emails a family friend had decided to take it, but we found we were going to give it to them for a good price, but that if we id we would suffer in the long term after they moved out, because the rent would be stuck even lower, so we had to back out of that, to the disappointment of that person, but what can you do? Blame the government, not me.

We have been told by a friend that there might be planning issues if we do AirBNB, so we will just try it anyway, but if there are any issues we will just leave it empty instead of renting it. If we are ever allowed to bring it to market rate, and if we get proper rights on dealing with rogue tenants, then we will rent it, but until then, we'll just keep it until our eldest used it for uni. or we will just use it ourselves the odd time.

Its just gone totally against renting now. I just cant see any sense in renting it out under the current rules.

Wanderer78

What a train wreck, for all!

gar32

So to bring it to market value You can do some work on it. The only way the RTB will come after you is if the new tenants as for past rent amount and report it. I did not want to risk it myself as I am renting below market but by €300 a month and I will bring it up inline with allowed amount until it hit's market value.

You could also sell and buy another with the rent up at market valve?

Bob24

ELM327 wrote: »

Sorry, you had not mentioned you were in an RPZ.

OP mentioned their apartment is in Dublin. Isn't the whole of Dublin a RPZ?

DublinDilbert

I'd rather rent to some one i know. Could you offer a family and friends discount? business do it all the time.

endacl

DublinDilbert wrote: »

I'd rather rent to some one i know. Could you offer a family and friends discount? business do it all the time.

LL is stuck then, with the discounted rate being the base rate against which future increases can be calculated. Plus, if they declare one amount as the ‘official’ rent, but collect a lower sum, they’ll still be paying tax at the marginal rate on the official figure.

TanyGray

gar32 wrote: »

So to bring it to market value You can do some work on it. The only way the RTB will come after you is if the new tenants as for past rent amount and report it. I did not want to risk it myself as I am renting below market but by €300 a month and I will bring it up inline with allowed amount until it hit's market value.

You could also sell and buy another with the rent up at market valve?

Thats another risk as far as im concerned. Anything where the decision is out in some random RTB employees hands is a huge risk.

theboringfox

CruelCoin wrote: »

Tax the bollox off landlords - act all shocked when they sell up to vulture funds.
Foster a punitive anti-landlord climate in the courts - act all shocked when landlords try to limit people entering part-4.
Demand that all new buildings are Class A energy efficient - act shocked when there are no budget homes for poor people in prime areas.
Bitch and whinge about Dublins "beautifull" skyline and limit upwards expansion - act shocked when price rises ripple out into the countryside faster than Usain Bolt.

The people, and the politicians they elected to represent them have entirely created the current situation. Welcome to the world you wanted.

Spot on sadly. I'm not a landlord but agree on the above. It's a bit like at the end of planet of the apes and he realises it was us all along.

AmberGold

I had a 2 bed to let recently, got easily over 250 calls. The hardest ones were the single mothers crying down the phone, or representatives from housing agencies pleading on behalf of marginalised families living in hotels who can't find accommodation.

murphaph

gar32 wrote: »

So to bring it to market value You can do some work on it. The only way the RTB will come after you is if the new tenants as for past rent amount and report it. I did not want to risk it myself as I am renting below market but by €300 a month and I will bring it up inline with allowed amount until it hit's market value.

You could also sell and buy another with the rent up at market valve?

500 emails suggests your idea of the current market rate is wrong. If you want to test the hypothesis-put it back up at +600 and I guarantee you you'll still get 100 emails+.

Bob24

AmberGold wrote: »

I had a 2 bed to let recently, got easily over 250 calls. The hardest ones were the single mothers crying down the phone, or representatives from housing agencies pleading on behalf of marginalised families living in hotels who can't find accommodation.

I fully understand people are experiencing serious difficulties due to the nature of the market rather than their own fault, and I am certainly not judging anyone. But I am not sure sounding desperate on the phone is helping their cause. Unless a landlord decides they want to show some charity and not fully treat their rental property as a business, someone who sounds confident is probably more attractive to them as a prospective tenant.

murphaph

AmberGold wrote: »

I had a 2 bed to let recently, got easily over 250 calls. The hardest ones were the single mothers crying down the phone, or representatives from housing agencies pleading on behalf of marginalised families living in hotels who can't find accommodation.

You put your phone number in the ad?? I'd never do that. Far too time consuming. Much easier to filter by email.