Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Village87 · 12-03-2018 03:00PM

brookville wrote: »

When are fennelly and murphy back?Jason cleere and Kevin kelly have a bit to go aswell and are 2 who would be close to starting in the summer

2nd week in May

Grats · 12-03-2018 03:10PM

Reading the last few posts regarding make up of team for the Championship no poster has mentioned Paddy Deegan!

greenspurs · 12-03-2018 03:21PM

Grats wrote: »

Reading the last few posts regarding make up of team for the Championship no poster has mentioned Paddy Deegan!

OOps......

Sorry Paddy !! ...

:D:D

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 03:21PM

Grats wrote: »

Reading the last few posts regarding make up of team for the Championship no poster has mentioned Paddy Deegan!

Ah, part of the nailed down full back line with Holden and Walsh!

Grats · 12-03-2018 03:24PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Ah, part of the nailed down full back line with Holden and Walsh!

Apologies, missed that. Thanks, Paddy!

Village87 · 12-03-2018 03:25PM

Grats wrote: »

Reading the last few posts regarding make up of team for the Championship no poster has mentioned Paddy Deegan!

I said the full back line stay as it is.
Personally i would not have him on the team. Tipp will have spotted a weakness when Breen went across on him. Same when Shan O Donnell was on him for the Clare game. I doubt Cody will change it up now

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 03:35PM

Village87 wrote: »

Did Offaly get the home venue ?

We are in Tullamore.

Village87 · 12-03-2018 03:43PM

Tullamore be very soft

brookville · 12-03-2018 04:11PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

We are in Tullamore.

I see it's down for one o clock is it a double header?

Cornerback1 · 12-03-2018 04:19PM

brookville wrote: »

babyjesus14 wrote: »

We are in Tullamore.

I see it's down for one o clock is it a double header?

I see Offaly are down to play Sligo in football at 2pm but I'd say that game will be pushed back to 3pm.

HoHohurlin · 12-03-2018 05:13PM

Topcat32 wrote: »

I think its more the fact that John Walsh is too small and light for intercounty hurling at the moment rather than his attitude, doesn't have the pace or skill to make up for it. Hopefully he will at some stage in the future.

I'm sorry but the two things John Walsh has in abundance are speed and skill ,he used to sprint when he was younger and I believe he used to run the 100ms in under 13 seconds

SteJer · 12-03-2018 05:14PM

I'm happy enough with the defence but unfortunately Paddy Deegan is a major weakness. Most teams have targeted him with good success. 2 goals were scored off him in a game he was amazingly named man of the match (baffling).

For the first game of the championship I'd go with the below back 7;

E.Murphy
J.Holden
P.Walsh
E.Morrissey
C.Delaney
C.Buckley
C.Fogarty

Leahy is nailed on at midfield. He ran himself in to the ground yesterday, as did Maher. I'd like to see Maher and Lyng switch. For all the workrate Lyng brings to the team he just isn't a natural scoring forward. I think he would be more suited at midfield and Maher would score more in the forwards than him.

In the forwards the below are nailed on if fit and on form;

TJ
Walter
Hogan
Donnelly
Alyward

After that the remaining place is wide open for any one of the below;

Lyng
Maher
Keoghan
Blanchfield
Scanlon
Murphy

I don't think any of the below will push on this year;

Billy Ryan
Kelly
Sheehan
Martin
Reid

The league has been useful so far. Other than the Cork game they are trying to play a new brand of hurling. They are also trying things they didn't have to when we were so much better than every other team eg. wearing GPS trackers, McGarry sitting up in the stand for some of the game and Lyng wearing an earpiece. Every little helps now that we are no longer the force we once were.

We could easily end up in a league final now which would be bonus territory so early on in our rebuilding process. If we could get back to Croke Park for a Leinster Final and end up in an All-Ireland semi final by either winning that (unlikely) or the All-Ireland quarter final it would show continued progress.

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 05:27PM

SteJer wrote: »

I'm happy enough with the defence but unfortunately Paddy Deegan is a major weakness. Most teams have targeted him with good success. 2 goals were scored off him in a game he was amazingly named man of the match (baffling).

For the first game of the championship I'd go with the below back 7;

E.Murphy
J.Holden
P.Walsh
E.Morrissey
C.Delaney
C.Buckley
C.Fogarty

Leahy is nailed on at midfield. He ran himself in to the ground yesterday, as did Maher. I'd like to see Maher and Lyng switch. For all the workrate Lyng brings to the team he just isn't a natural scoring forward. I think he would be more suited at midfield and Maher would score more in the forwards than him.

In the forwards the below are nailed on if fit and on form;

TJ
Walter
Hogan
Donnelly
Alyward

After that the remaining place is wide open for any one of the below;

Lyng
Maher
Keoghan
Blanchfield
Scanlon
Murphy

I don't think any of the below will push on this year;

Billy Ryan
Kelly
Sheehan
Martin
Reid

The league has been useful so far. Other than the Cork game they are trying to play a new brand of hurling. They are also trying things they didn't have to when we were so much better than every other team eg. wearing GPS trackers, McGarry sitting up in the stand for some of the game and Lyng wearing an earpiece. Every little helps now that we are no longer the force we once were.

We could easily end up in a league final now which would be bonus territory so early on in our rebuilding process. If we could get back to Croke Park for a Leinster Final and end up in an All-Ireland semi final by either winning that (unlikely) or the All-Ireland quarter final it would show continued progress.

Completely disagree, James Maher did all his underage hurling at half back or midfield, saw him twice last year at centre forward for the club and you wouldn't have picked him out as a senior inter county hurler in a month of Sundays. If i was switching him in any direction it would back the way to the half back line.

SteJer · 12-03-2018 06:10PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Completely disagree, James Maher did all his underage hurling at half back or midfield, saw him twice last year at centre forward for the club and you wouldn't have picked him out as a senior inter county hurler in a month of Sundays. If i was switching him in any direction it would back the way to the half back line.

You completely disagree with my entire post or just the few sentences about Maher & Lyng? I didn't say he was our answer in the forwards I just said he would be better than Lyng (also a back/midfielder) in the forwards. Do you not agree with that? I wouldn't have either of them in the forwards. I love their workrate & enthusiasm but they are not natural scorers.

dubcat51 · 12-03-2018 06:52PM

Kelly if fit would start in the forwards for me.also fogarty at midfield with leahy.like the look of browne and would like to see more of him.
My team at the moment if all fit and available
1E.murphy
2.p. murphy
3.p walsh (would prefer at half back but nobody else given a go)
4.joey
5.delaney
6.bucko
7.browne
8.fogarty
9.leahy
10.wally
11. Richie
12 tj
13 kelly
14. Colin
15 .ger

v3ttel · 12-03-2018 06:59PM

Anyone know when TG4 or Eirsport will announce their schedule for the quarter finals? I fear that our game against Offaly won't be televised as Wexford vs Galway and Limerick vs Clare are probably more even games on paper at least. I'm relying on GAA GO which takes their coverage from whatever channel broadcasts it. I've been lucky enough to get all of our games so far.

Kkman00 · 12-03-2018 07:54PM

SteJer wrote: »

I'm happy enough with the defence but unfortunately Paddy Deegan is a major weakness. Most teams have targeted him with good success. 2 goals were scored off him in a game he was amazingly named man of the match (baffling).

For the first game of the championship I'd go with the below back 7;

E.Murphy
J.Holden
P.Walsh
E.Morrissey
C.Delaney
C.Buckley
C.Fogarty

Leahy is nailed on at midfield. He ran himself in to the ground yesterday, as did Maher. I'd like to see Maher and Lyng switch. For all the workrate Lyng brings to the team he just isn't a natural scoring forward. I think he would be more suited at midfield and Maher would score more in the forwards than him.

In the forwards the below are nailed on if fit and on form;

TJ
Walter
Hogan
Donnelly
Alyward

After that the remaining place is wide open for any one of the below;

Lyng
Maher
Keoghan
Blanchfield
Scanlon
Murphy

I don't think any of the below will push on this year;

Billy Ryan
Kelly
Sheehan
Martin
Reid

The league has been useful so far. Other than the Cork game they are trying to play a new brand of hurling. They are also trying things they didn't have to when we were so much better than every other team eg. wearing GPS trackers, McGarry sitting up in the stand for some of the game and Lyng wearing an earpiece. Every little helps now that we are no longer the force we once were.

We could easily end up in a league final now which would be bonus territory so early on in our rebuilding process. If we could get back to Croke Park for a Leinster Final and end up in an All-Ireland semi final by either winning that (unlikely) or the All-Ireland quarter final it would show continued progress.

Disagree on your view that Donnelly is a guaranteed starter. I'd be a big fan of him but his lack of pace could really come against him in fast championship games in the summer time. I also think some people forget he's still the same age as mossy keoghan so time is defiently on his side but I fear pace will always be a problem for him

danganabu · 12-03-2018 07:57PM

SteJer wrote: »

Care to actually name any players who were available to either team today and didn't see some action or are you just going to continue to spoof?

Ah lets see, Paul Maher, Mickey Cahill, Seamus Kennedy, James Barry, Noel McGrath just to name a few from Tipp and the claim that Ronan Maher was back in his best position is comedy gold, never played wing back ever in a championship match. Tipp had 6 players starting that started last years AI semi bit according to you and your fanboy they had their strongest team out lol

:D:D

Grats · 12-03-2018 08:02PM

SteJer wrote: »

I'm happy enough with the defence but unfortunately Paddy Deegan is a major weakness. Most teams have targeted him with good success. 2 goals were scored off him in a game he was amazingly named man of the match (baffling).

For the first game of the championship I'd go with the below back 7;

E.Murphy
J.Holden
P.Walsh
E.Morrissey
C.Delaney
C.Buckley
C.Fogarty

Leahy is nailed on at midfield. He ran himself in to the ground yesterday, as did Maher. I'd like to see Maher and Lyng switch. For all the workrate Lyng brings to the team he just isn't a natural scoring forward. I think he would be more suited at midfield and Maher would score more in the forwards than him.

In the forwards the below are nailed on if fit and on form;

TJ
Walter
Hogan
Donnelly
Alyward

After that the remaining place is wide open for any one of the below;

Lyng
Maher
Keoghan
Blanchfield
Scanlon
Murphy

I don't think any of the below will push on this year;

Billy Ryan
Kelly
Sheehan
Martin
Reid

The league has been useful so far. Other than the Cork game they are trying to play a new brand of hurling. They are also trying things they didn't have to when we were so much better than every other team eg. wearing GPS trackers, McGarry sitting up in the stand for some of the game and Lyng wearing an earpiece. Every little helps now that we are no longer the force we once were.

We could easily end up in a league final now which would be bonus territory so early on in our rebuilding process. If we could get back to Croke Park for a Leinster Final and end up in an All-Ireland semi final by either winning that (unlikely) or the All-Ireland quarter final it would show continued progress.

Very positive and insightful post. An excellent starting point as we approach the latter stages of the league and look forward to the Leinster Championship.

I would go with the six backs you named but not necessarily in those positions. I think Buckley's best position is wing back. I'm also not sure about Morrissey in the corner but I definitely wouldn't start Deegan, a decent sub perhaps.

Leahy at midfield certainly but I would interchange him between there and the forwards on occasion to get him nearer to goal. His willingness to take his man could could lead to close in frees or penalties. As regards a midfield partner for him I'm not sure of. Perhaps Lyng or Maher if he continues to progress.

I'm hoping R Hogan will find his form of old. The other four nailed on forwards you mention I agree with. The remaining one/two places are there to be won. But we'll need 8/9 forwards anyway with games on weekly in May/June.

I'd like to think our new game plan would suit a player like K Kelly. Hope he gets some hurling under his belt soon.

Jason Cleere would be a great addition in the backs if he gets back. Along with Conor O'Shea and Deegan he would cover likely absentees through injury etc.

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 08:43PM

SteJer wrote: »

You completely disagree with my entire post or just the few sentences about Maher & Lyng? I didn't say he was our answer in the forwards I just said he would be better than Lyng (also a back/midfielder) in the forwards. Do you not agree with that? I wouldn't have either of them in the forwards. I love their workrate & enthusiasm but they are not natural scorers.

The highlighted bit, dude. Don't think taking a guy out of his best position( Maher at midfield) into a position where i think he is much less effective makes any sense. It's an exercise in fitting square pegs into round holes.

Agree that Lyng is far from a definite starter for the Championship. But who do we replace him with? Blanchfield, Scanlon, Alan Murphy? Hopefully Richie Hogan and Colin Fennelly will become options at some stage.

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 08:46PM

v3ttel wrote: »

Anyone know when TG4 or Eirsport will announce their schedule for the quarter finals? I fear that our game against Offaly won't be televised as Wexford vs Galway and Limerick vs Clare are probably more even games on paper at least. I'm relying on GAA GO which takes their coverage from whatever channel broadcasts it. I've been lucky enough to get all of our games so far.

Very little chance of our game being televised. Think you will have to rely on Ronnie on the local radio, entertaining in itself!:D

SteJer · 12-03-2018 08:55PM

danganabu wrote: »

Ah lets see, Paul Maher, Mickey Cahill, Seamus Kennedy, James Barry, Noel McGrath just to name a few from Tipp and the claim that Ronan Maher was back in his best position is comedy gold, never played wing back ever in a championship match. Tipp had 6 players starting that started last years AI semi bit according to you and your fanboy they had their strongest team out lol :D:D

Exactly my point. Tipp played the strongest team available. Most of the players you mentioned haven't being playing well. That's two games in a row Noel McGrath has missed. If he was playing well enough in training Ryan would be starting him. Most honest Tipp supporters know they need better options than Cahill & Kennedy. James Barry might just hold on to his place but if he does it will only be because they didn't find a suitable replacement.

danganabu · 12-03-2018 08:57PM

SteJer wrote: »

Exactly my point. Tipp played the strongest team available. Most of the players you mentioned haven't being playing well. That's two games in a row Noel McGrath has missed. If he was playing well enough in training Ryan would be starting him. Most honest Tipp supporters know they need better options than Cahill & Kennedy. James Barry might just hold on to his place but if he does it will only be because they didn't find a suitable replacement.

Noel McGrath was man of the match in two of the three matches that he started

spoofer indeed

brookville · 12-03-2018 09:01PM

I think morrissey is better suited to half back but he probably needs time to fill out.
I think we're blessed to have brennan as back-up for murphy his very assured and confident for a young lad and these games are great for him.
There's no doubt we have some good young hurlers but it's obvious lads like scanlon and leahy need time to bulk out it won't happen over night.
Kevin kelly won't be back for bout 2 month so I dunno how he'll fare out in the summer.
Jason cleere has to get his fitness up so he'll probably use the club to work on that.
It's a pity cleere and kelly aren't available.
I also agree browne looks good and a few matches into him would be no harm.

SteJer · 12-03-2018 09:02PM

Kkman00 wrote: »

Disagree on your view that Donnelly is a guaranteed starter. I'd be a big fan of him but his lack of pace could really come against him in fast championship games in the summer time. I also think some people forget he's still the same age as mossy keoghan so time is defiently on his side but I fear pace will always be a problem for him

I don't disagree with what you are saying but Donnelly is a Cody type player. Cody has never put too much emphasis on speed. If a lad is big enough and strong enough to play Championship hurling he gives them a chance. Similar to Walter in 2012 and Blanchfield in 2016. Donnelly also has a great hand on him and well able to take a score of given a chance. Other than TJ & Walter very few of our forwards would have scored the point he got yesterday. A mixture of strength, determination and skill.

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 09:05PM

danganabu wrote: »

Noel McGrath was man of the match in two of the three matches that he started spoofer indeed

Not sure what games he was watching Noel McGrath was outstanding in the games he played!

SteJer · 12-03-2018 09:06PM

danganabu wrote: »

Noel McGrath was man of the match in two of the three matches that he started spoofer indeed

He must not be going well at the moment or struggling with an injury otherwise Ryan would be starting him or at least bringing him on.

SteJer · 12-03-2018 09:10PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Not sure what games he was watching Noel McGrath was outstanding in the games he played!

Did I say Noel McGrath hadn't played well in the league? I said most of the players mentioned weren't playing well. Noel McGrath was the obvious exception. For him I referenced the fact Ryan hasn't started him or brought him on in the last two matches even though they are down a lot of forwards. Maybe he's not going well in training or maybe he's struggling with an injury.

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 09:11PM

SteJer wrote: »

He's obviously not going well at the moment or Ryan would be starting him or at least bringing him on. Maybe a knowledgeable Tipp supporter might be able to shed some light on this. Although I don't expect to find many on a Kilkenny hurling forum.

I would imagine Micheal Ryan knows at this stage what Noel McGrath is all about and he was outstanding in the games he's played in and is using the opportunity to give game time to other guys rather than him "not going well in training"!

SteJer · 12-03-2018 09:12PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I would imagine Micheal Ryan knows at this stage what Noel McGrath is all about and he was outstanding in the games he's played in and is using the opportunity to give game time to other guys rather than him "not going well in training"!

Maybe. Hard to know.

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