Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Powerhouse · 11-03-2018 11:02PM

Topcat32 wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something but where did he state or even infer that Offaly are more likely to win it than Tipp.

You are missing something. Here's what he said "And personally i think Tipp are to the most likely All Ireland winners. Would I be surprised if the didn't win it? Of course not, they are Tipp after all!"

It doesn't make any sense to me that someone would be surprised that a particular county mightn't win the All-Ireland because they are that particular county. But that's what he said. And to follow that to its logical conclusion then it must be advantage Offaly as they are not Tipperary.

Like I said it makes no sense to me, but that's what he said.

jelutong · 11-03-2018 11:06PM

C__MC wrote: »

If anyone was listening to john mullane today, it’s tipp all Ireland. Never heard such a load of rubbish, loathing every tipp player as some kind of hurling savors. Almost as bad as last year when he wanted to give the Galway fitness trainer the freedom of Galway after league final.

Any way I give kk a right shout in Leinster now, the team is beginning to gel and with the likes of Richie and a few others to come back, no body will want to play them. Huge defeat for Galway today in their home patch, people bigging them up but back to back titles are hard won.

Loathing every tipp player etc?

JJs Left Hand · 11-03-2018 11:08PM

Jesus lad relax will ya. There's a perception that Tipp despite their obvious talent have left All Irelands behind them when they were expected to win them in 11 after blowing us away in 10 and last year after blowing us away in 16. That's what he meant. But you know that and for some reason you're just being difficult.

C__MC · 11-03-2018 11:25PM

jelutong wrote: »

Loathing every tipp player etc?

Praising/hyping up Instead of loathing mind you, my bad. Painful listening. Jason Forde, barrett, Donah Maher, Bonner just to name a few. Some of the new guys being bigged up to the last.

Anyway I feel the championship is wide open. Kk aren’t going to be to far away, making steady progress. Limerick seem to be coming huge win today for a young young team.

Realt Dearg Sec · 11-03-2018 11:33PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

You are missing something. Here's what he said "And personally i think Tipp are to the most likely All Ireland winners. Would I be surprised if the didn't win it? Of course not, they are Tipp after all!"

It doesn't make any sense to me that someone would be surprised that a particular county mightn't win the All-Ireland because they are that particular county. But that's what he said. And to follow that to its logical conclusion then it must be advantage Offaly as they are not Tipperary.

Like I said it makes no sense to me, but that's what he said.

The point was simple enough. Tipp have a habit of sh1tting the bed when there's any bit of expectation on them. If you didn't understand that, that's your fault, not the other poster's.

babyjesus14 · 11-03-2018 11:39PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

So you think they'll probably win it, but then again probably not as Clare, Limerick and Offaly are more likely to win it because they are not Tipp. Yeah, clear enough.

Ok, i will spell it out for you again! I think Tipp are the best team in the country and the most likely All Ireland winners but Tipp have been serious All Ireland contenders for quite a number of years but have a habit of losing tight matches so i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't! Is that any clearer for you??!

blackcard · 12-03-2018 12:01AM

Positives from today were TJ, Richie Leahy until he tired badly, Joey, Padraig, Darren Brennan. I thought Enda Morrissey did well too. Also good to have Ger Aylward back playing, he has hurled very little in the last two years. Lyng and Keoghan struggled, we have to hope that Richie Hogan returns. You can't complain about the effort put in by the players, I just don't think that our forwards are good enough to challenge for any honours.

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 12:12AM

blackcard wrote: »

Positives from today were TJ, Richie Leahy until he tired badly, Joey, Padraig, Darren Brennan. I thought Enda Morrissey did well too. Also good to have Ger Aylward back playing, he has hurled very little in the last two years. Lyng and Keoghan struggled, we have to hope that Richie Hogan returns. You can't complain about the effort put in by the players, I just don't think that our forwards are good enough to challenge for any honours.

Agree we very much need Richie Hogan back and somewhere close to his 2016 form. Likes of Keoghan and Donnelly are very much a work in progress, don't think it's any coincidence that we've played 5 league matches lost 2 and won 3, the 3 that TJ Reid started in!

Powerhouse · 12-03-2018 12:13AM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Jesus lad relax will ya. There's a perception that Tipp despite their obvious talent have left All Irelands behind them when they were expected to win them in 11 after blowing us away in 10 and last year after blowing us away in 16. That's what he meant. But you know that and for some reason you're just being difficult.

Christ, how weak is this? Clare were supposed to rule the world after 2013 according to some people. It never happened. The competition has evened out hugely and there is no such thing as 'obvious talent'. In my view Tipperary will do well to get to a Munster Final but it's nothing to do with being Tipperary.

Powerhouse · 12-03-2018 12:14AM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Ok, i will spell it out for you again! I think Tipp are the best team in the country

Based on what exactly? Their overflowing trophy cabinet?

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 12:29AM

Powerhouse wrote: »

Based on what exactly? Their overflowing trophy cabinet?

There has been no trophies handed out yet in 2018! Based on what i have seen of Tipp so far this season and over the last number years i think the have the most talented panel of hurlers in the country at the moment! I think they are the most likely All Ireland winners but wouldn't be surprised if the came up short by a point or 2 in a semi or a final as they have done in recent years. A free to win with the last puck of the game in'14, missed, and replay lost by 3 points, followed by single point defeats to Galway in '15 and '17 being three examples.

Grats · 12-03-2018 12:35AM

Back to discussing KILKENNY hurling! TJ has found his form of old. For our sake he needs to keep it up. He was man of the match today and was the last day too in my view. Thought his brother Richie could have been brought on in midfield today. Would have switched Leahy into the forwards in second half as he had tired. The 'rest' inside might have given him a second wind. His three points were brilliant.

Cornerback1 · 12-03-2018 12:36AM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

I missed who got motm. Anyone enlighten me plz

E. Morrissey got it on KCLR!!!

SteJer · 12-03-2018 12:54AM

danganabu wrote: »

Good lad

And if you think that the Tipp and Waterford teams today are the strongest available you are a far bigger fool than I was giving you credit for!

Care to actually name any players who were available to either team today and didn't see some action or are you just going to continue to spoof?

Dionysis · 12-03-2018 02:10AM

Wexford are a very good side to measure the new kk guys against, as they are very very physical, and if the younger lads can’t manage these players they will struggle badly against sides like Dublin and Galway who are every bit if not more physical.
Thought TJ carried a number of players today and was disappointed with our lack of goal threat. Leahy and Maher are grand in the open play but will give you nothing in a match that requires fighting for the ball. Wexford got more physical in the second half and these two went out of it then. But to be fair to the younger lads they are a couple of seasons behind in the strength and conditioning stakes.
Kk will be very lucky to make the semi finals of the championship and won’t go further. Cody has to push these younger guys and be planning for life after TJ and Richie as I don’t see us winnng another all-Ireland in the next two years and they’ll be gone after that.
Hopefully DJ is pushing the U-21s very hard, both those on the team and those on the fringes of the panel, from a physical as well as hurling style viewpoint, or else it will take Cody years to develop the next all Ireland winn8ng side.

Powerhouse · 12-03-2018 07:52AM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

There has been no trophies handed out yet in 2018! Based on what i have seen of Tipp so far this season and over the last number years i think the have the most talented panel of hurlers in the country at the moment! I think they are the most likely All Ireland winners but wouldn't be surprised if the came up short by a point or 2 in a semi or a final as they have done in recent years. A free to win with the last puck of the game in'14, missed, and replay lost by 3 points, followed by single point defeats to Galway in '15 and '17 being three examples.

To give Tipperary their due I don't get the issue about defeats in tight matches as being a big problem. Would they be more convincing of they got well beaten? Hardly. I think that's probably a good sign of competitiveness that they have not been hammered out of sight in important games.

But, they played in three competitions last year and won none, getting to the final of only the easiest one and that was a savage beating.

Chances are when they exit the championship they will do so narrowly but that's because the championship is quite even and not because of some cliched psychological issues such as "being Tipperary". Part of this probably is Kilkenny people secretly rating Tipperary very very highly because they beat them so well in 2016. But several teams would have beaten Kilkenny that day.

dastardly00 · 12-03-2018 10:17AM

I didn't see the match. How did Ger Aylward perform?

Village87 · 12-03-2018 10:21AM

dastardly00 wrote: »

I didn't see the match. How did Ger Aylward perform?

Had a busy game game, worked hard. Seems to lack the yard of pace he once had maybe it will come to him with more sharpness

Ceist_Beag · 12-03-2018 10:36AM

As others have said, I thought Darren Brennan did really well in goals again yesterday, what about that pass to Holden in the second half, real quality.

WhatsGoingOn2 · 12-03-2018 11:16AM

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

As others have said, I thought Darren Brennan did really well in goals again yesterday, what about that pass to Holden in the second half, real quality.

Would Eoin Murphy be good enough to play outfield and leave Brennan in goals?
Murphy is obviously an exceptional goalie, but it's a pity to have 1 of these 2 sitting on the bench.

Village87 · 12-03-2018 11:37AM

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

Would Eoin Murphy be good enough to play outfield and leave Brennan in goals?
Murphy is obviously an exceptional goalie, but it's a pity to have 1 of these 2 sitting on the bench.

Cant say i agree with this, Murphy is the best goal keeper in the country at present by a distance. Tried with Richie Reid and didn't work now he has lost his place as sub goalie. Debatable weather Eoin Murphy is good enough to make it outfield

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 11:39AM

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

Would Eoin Murphy be good enough to play outfield and leave Brennan in goals?
Murphy is obviously an exceptional goalie, but it's a pity to have 1 of these 2 sitting on the bench.

Nope, he's the best goalie in the country so he should be left there. This injury though is probably a blessing in disguise in that it allows Darren Brennan to get a bit of game time in case we do need him again later in the summer.

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 11:48AM

Powerhouse wrote: »

To give Tipperary their due I don't get the issue about defeats in tight matches as being a big problem. Would they be more convincing of they got well beaten? Hardly. I think that's probably a good sign of competitiveness that they have not been hammered out of sight in important games.

But, they played in three competitions last year and won none, getting to the final of only the easiest one and that was a savage beating.

Chances are when they exit the championship they will do so narrowly but that's because the championship is quite even and not because of some cliched psychological issues such as "being Tipperary". Part of this probably is Kilkenny people secretly rating Tipperary very very highly because they beat them so well in 2016. But several teams would have beaten Kilkenny that day.

I would actually take the complete opposite view, i think very occasional hammerings in big games can be written off as "a bad day at the office" we suffered a few ourselves back in the day ('11 League Final, '12 Leinster Final) and subsequently won the All Ireland. Whereas a team that has a bit of a reputation for coming out the wrong side of tight matches can have their ability to get the job done questioned, you can't be unlucky all the time!

But i guess that is opinions, peoples can differ.

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 12:10PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

I didn't see the match. How did Ger Aylward perform?

Yeah, Ger had a curate's egg of a game. Hit a few wides and first touch was a bit roapy(missed a few pick ups on the run) but on the plus side worked his socks off, scored a point and was fouled for 3 converted frees. I thought he looked extremely fit so obviously he has been working very hard behind the scenes as well. Would imagine the touch will improve and he will get his eye in with game time so really hope he starts next weekend. If we could get him back to his '15 form he would be a huge addition to the forwards.

Village87 · 12-03-2018 01:01PM

Did Offaly get the home venue ?

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 01:41PM

Village87 wrote: »

Did Offaly get the home venue ?

Still down as TBC on gaa and kkgaa websites.

brookville · 12-03-2018 01:58PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Still down as TBC on gaa and kkgaa websites.

Toin coss today it'd be nice to get it at home but I wouldn't begrudge offally home venue.hopefully a few are rested

babyjesus14 · 12-03-2018 02:24PM

brookville wrote: »

Toin coss today it'd be nice to get it at home but I wouldn't begrudge offally home venue.hopefully a few are rested

They'll have plenty of time to be resting next winter, really now time to be throwing a bit of as shape on our championship team.

The goalie and full back line are nailed down(since Paul Murphy is unlikely to be available for the Dublin match), Cillian at 6 and would imagine the 7 jersey is Enda Morrisseys to lose, Richie Leahy a definite at midfield and TJ, Wally and Richie Hogan in the forwards(if he can get a bit of game time with the club).

So my reading of it would be that there's probably 5 places up for grabs.

Village87 · 12-03-2018 02:49PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

They'll have plenty of time to be resting next winter, really now time to be throwing a bit of as shape on our championship team.

The goalie and full back line are nailed down(since Paul Murphy is unlikely to be available for the Dublin match), Cillian at 6 and would imagine the 7 jersey is Enda Morrisseys to lose, Richie Leahy a definite at midfield and TJ, Wally and Richie Hogan in the forwards(if he can get a bit of game time with the club).

So my reading of it would be that there's probably 5 places up for grabs.

Colin Fennelly and Paul Murphy should be out of the equation until after Wexford game which is maybe 2/3 weeks after they return to the country. Look to them for a Leinster final/all Ireland Quarter final onwards.

Team is starting to take shape, very hard/unrealistic to change from the winning formula of Morrissey wing back, Lyng & Keoghan wing forwards and Maher and Leahy in midfield. Cant see the full back line changing much before championship now either. Padraig Walsh, Cillian Buckley TJ Reid and Walter Walsh vital to this down the middle. Id say Cody now has 11/12 of his team in mind for the Dublin match

brookville · 12-03-2018 02:57PM

Village87 wrote: »

Colin Fennelly and Paul Murphy should be out of the equation until after Wexford game which is maybe 2/3 weeks after they return to the country. Look to them for a Leinster final/all Ireland Quarter final onwards.

Team is starting to take shape, very hard/unrealistic to change from the winning formula of Morrissey wing back, Lyng & Keoghan wing forwards and Maher and Leahy in midfield. Cant see the full back line changing much before championship now either. Padraig Walsh, Cillian Buckley TJ Reid and Walter Walsh vital to this down the middle. Id say Cody now has 11/12 of his team in mind for the Dublin match

When are fennelly and murphy back?Jason cleere and Kevin kelly have a bit to go aswell and are 2 who would be close to starting in the summer

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