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razorblunt · 05-03-2018 01:16PM

Paid as I'm a permanent employee, though I have WFH remote access anyway so I worked away.
They advised people to come to work only if they were walking (within distance and comfortable) everyone else was to stay at home (paid if they didn't have remote access).

The issue is that after issuing this instruction they've now said they won't be paying the contractors (who aren't allowed have remote access).
There's going to be a massive issue over this I reckon.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 05-03-2018 01:21PM

It’ll depend on the contract according to the workplace Relations Commission
http://ibb.co/jwsjNn Some contracts will have a provision in place some won’t

redcup342 · 05-03-2018 01:23PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

In Germany too .

Yep, you fall on your ass and have to go to hospital then you get an incident report form afterwards from your Health Insurance.

What address it occurred outside, was the snow clear and if it wasn't then the Health Insurance will go after the property owner.

The property owners insurance will pay out or they'll pass on the cost to whichever tenant who's turn it was to clear the snow that day.

bodice ripper · 05-03-2018 01:24PM

I work on a commission only basis. We were closed Wednesday to Saturday.

Kimbot · 05-03-2018 01:24PM

Clickbait wrote: »

Is the East getting mail today? I've got a package in Portlaoise which hasn't moved since last Wednesday. Thought it might have made the way to my local sorting office yesterday and get some update this morning but it hasn't moved.

Sorting office in portlaoise got it fairly bad tbh, road outside it yesterday was a no go so could be today before thats shifted.

05-03-2018 01:24PM

Lost a fair few bob due to the weather but it was lovely being off and had a real holiday feel to it. Beans for the rest of the month though.

OldMrBrennan83 · 05-03-2018 01:29PM

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Dial Hard · 05-03-2018 01:30PM

We're being paid. I have remote access so was able to work from home anyway but the people who couldn't log in/don't have jobs that could be done from home are also being paid. My employer is very decent.

Kimbot · 05-03-2018 01:34PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

That's not what I've heard. Many are expecting not to have to take leave if they missed work due to their building being closed based on feedback from management so far.

Minister Harris has already confirmed that HSE staff will not have to take leave if they were unable to make it into work due to the weather conditions.

Yes but if their building was open then annual leave will be taken from them or they work it back.

A lot of confusion around it in fairness.

eviltwin · 05-03-2018 01:39PM

I was off two days. I will get paid and don't have to take the days from annual leave. Some staff tried to make it in, one made it, the rest were stranded, some ended up stuck in the office overnight.

Sierra Oscar · 05-03-2018 01:41PM

jonnycivic wrote: »

Yes but if their building was open then annual leave will be taken from them or they work it back.

A lot of confusion around it in fairness.

Yeah, there needs to be some clarity around what is expected of workers with red weather alerts and so on.

Most Government Department's shut their buildings on Thursday and Friday.

https://twitter.com/IRLDeptFinance/status/968864270795538432

Vojera · 05-03-2018 01:54PM

Looks like mine is trying to take it as annual leave. The office was closed on Thursday and Friday and those who were able to work from home were expected to do so, but everyone else seems to be losing holidays.

I normally don't work from home but I was given a laptop for the two days. However, it was faulty and wouldn't charge or run off mains (or work with the charger from my own laptop) so all I could do was work on Thursday until the battery ran out. So they're looking to take a day's leave off me for Friday.

I'm pretty unimpressed as I don't see a provision for this in my contract. Does anyone have a link to the actual law governing this? I'd prefer to have that than a link to a newspaper article as it's more likely to be taken seriously.

erica74 · 05-03-2018 01:58PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Yeah, there needs to be some clarity around what is expected of workers with red weather alerts and so on.

Most Government Department's shut their buildings on Thursday and Friday.

https://twitter.com/IRLDeptFinance/status/968864270795538432

An email has been sent at a national level saying HSE workers won't have to take the days as AL, however, it also doesn't specifically state that we'll be paid, I'm wondering if they're pushing for the days to be unpaid leave.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 05-03-2018 02:02PM

Vojera wrote: »

Looks like mine is trying to take it as annual leave. The office was closed on Thursday and Friday and those who were able to work from home were expected to do so, but everyone else seems to be losing holidays.

I normally don't work from home but I was given a laptop for the two days. However, it was faulty and wouldn't charge or run off mains (or work with the charger from my own laptop) so all I could do was work on Thursday until the battery ran out. So they're looking to take a day's leave off me for Friday.

I'm pretty unimpressed as I don't see a provision for this in my contract. Does anyone have a link to the actual law governing this? I'd prefer to have that than a link to a newspaper article as it's more likely to be taken seriously.

I spoke to Workplace Relations Commission this morning because I’d pay if I had to. Some contracts make provisions for seasonal/short time/lay off. I was advised in such cases you don’t have to pay. If there’s no provision and the staff have made themselves available for work but you’ve closed then there’s no yes/no answer and it’d be up to an ajudicater to make a decision. In my situation there has been a signed contract making provision for short time, I closed for two days and will pay one of those days and the third day was a choice not to come in so she loses two days and I pay 1

super_furry · 05-03-2018 02:03PM

Had to work from home which was a pisser because I was on a late shift. Didn’t finish until 10pm Wednesday, Thursday or Friday.

Clickbait · 05-03-2018 02:08PM

jonnycivic wrote: »

Sorting office in portlaoise got it fairly bad tbh, road outside it yesterday was a no go so could be today before thats shifted.

Thanks

kg703 · 05-03-2018 02:11PM

This is very confusing, I was under the impression nobody had to be paid.

So.... if our office was closed and I physically could not get to work - can my employer force A/L?

kg703 · 05-03-2018 02:13PM

Sorry just read another response there - I'll check my contract so

minikin · 05-03-2018 02:16PM

Father Crilly wet himself yesterday with massive numbers at mass, we’re back lads sez he, until he heard of the requests of ‘any milk as well?’ When giving out communion.

wexdevil · 05-03-2018 02:17PM

Got sent home midway though shift on wednesday night and ended up being off thursday night too. They have told us as it was less than 24hrs notice that we would still be payed without having to take the hours from annual leave.

(hopefully wont be a different story when we get back in tonight)

Hitman3000 · 05-03-2018 02:23PM

2 days off with pay AL not affected. Happy days.

05-03-2018 02:24PM

Work in a third level college (public sector). Entire place shut Wed, Thurs & Fri. Was shut for one day for Storm Ophelia. We got that day as approved absence (not taken out of annual leave allowance).

So expecting the same for last week. I think the rule is (for us anyway) is that if the employer decides to close it doesn't get taken out of your AL allocation.

erica74 · 05-03-2018 02:28PM

jonnycivic wrote: »

Yes but if their building was open then annual leave will be taken from them or they work it back.

A lot of confusion around it in fairness.

**technically speaking** if you work in a public hospital the building wasn't closed (maybe some were but, I would assume 99% of hospitals remained open throughout) because it can't close so how does that work for clerical workers?

Kimbot · 05-03-2018 02:31PM

erica74 wrote: »

**technically speaking** if you work in a public hospital the building wasn't closed (maybe some were but, I would assume 99% of hospitals remained open throughout) because it can't close so how does that work for clerical workers?

Well the option there was to go into work as your workplace was open so thats why they take annual leave etc.

I am in the same boat, not a hospital but public service and a place that will never ever be closed. Came into work on Wed/Thurs and got all work done for the week, didnt come in on friday but as they were open then A/L was taken from me.

erica74 · 05-03-2018 02:42PM

jonnycivic wrote: »

Well the option there was to go into work as your workplace was open so thats why they take annual leave etc.

I am in the same boat, not a hospital but public service and a place that will never ever be closed. Came into work on Wed/Thurs and got all work done for the week, didnt come in on friday but as they were open then A/L was taken from me.

Yeah I went in on Wednesday because the weather wasn't terrible but I couldn't get in Thursday or Friday because we were snowed in. An email has been sent today saying we don't have to take AL but also doesn't specifically state we'll be paid.

Mister Vain · 05-03-2018 02:46PM

How was peoples journey into work this morning? Most of the roads in Kildare are still a mess.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 05-03-2018 02:47PM

erica74 wrote: »

Yeah I went in on Wednesday because the weather wasn't terrible but I couldn't get in Thursday or Friday because we were snowed in. An email has been sent today saying we don't have to take AL but also doesn't specifically state we'll be paid.

Could you attend work (they were open) if you let’s say lived walking distance?
From my understanding of it is if the employee makes themself available for work but work is closed, then the employee can bring this in front of an adjudicator as it’s case by case. On the other hand, if the work was open and the staff wasn’t available (like most of the country to be fair) then I don’t think they have to pay?

erica74 · 05-03-2018 03:08PM

Lila Angry Wiper wrote: »

Could you attend work (they were open) if you let’s say lived walking distance?
From my understanding of it is if the employee makes themself available for work but work is closed, then the employee can bring this in front of an adjudicator as it’s case by case. On the other hand, if the work was open and the staff wasn’t available (like most of the country to be fair) then I don’t think they have to pay?

Well, from chatting to people who live locally, it would not have been safe to walk into work on Thursday morning and then obviously from 4pm on Thursday there was the red alert instruction to stay indoors so that would have stopped people from walking in as well.

Shurimgreat · 05-03-2018 03:14PM

Mister Vain wrote: »

How was peoples journey into work this morning? Most of the roads in Kildare are still a mess.

I skied in no problem.

pilly · 05-03-2018 03:14PM

erica74 wrote: »

Well, from chatting to people who live locally, it would not have been safe to walk into work on Thursday morning and then obviously from 4pm on Thursday there was the red alert instruction to stay indoors so that would have stopped people from walking in as well.

I think you may be overly stressed about this Erica, HSE employees will be paid. They've committed to that quite publically, no way they're going to go back on it.

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