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Severe Weather Snow / Ice Weds 28 FEB ( Onwards ) ** READ MOD NOTE POST#1**

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  • #8342
    Schwanz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 898 ✭✭✭Schwanz


    Snow melting like fcuk here in the Lucan region of Dublin.


  • #8343
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I definitely preferred 2010 and wins hands down for a number of reasons.

    - colder temperatures
    - Irish Sea streamers were far more impressive covering much larger areas
    - The snowflakes themselves were generally much bigger and more satisfying to watch.
    - IOM and Welsh shadows were mostly short lived in most areas with winds varying numerous times during the days and nights.
    - Some sunny but bitterly cold days allowed us to go out and enjoy the snow without fear of it melting.
    - Lack of wind made the event more enjoyable to take part in.
    - 2010 was a two parter and delivered almost a month of excitement.
    - it occurred in November and December.

    The Beast and Emma was still a very good event but I would have preferred it to last a bit longer. It was really Emma which brought the majority of the snow to a lot of places, but Emma also resulted in a much quicker introduction of milder air resulting in the quick thaw we have now. I would have really liked one or two bitterly cold and dry days after Emma to properly see the full extent of the snowfall in all it's glory without any snow melt.


  • #8344
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    haminka wrote: »
    How cost-effective would it be to build flood defences in a Sahara? You are truly ridiculous if you expect Ireland having the same level of readiness as countries where snow and ice are standard.
    Btw, I come from a country like that myself. It was -27 in the nights and -11 with sharp winds during the day plus constant snow where I come from this week. But I know the difference between my home country and Ireland so I know that you can hardly expect drivers in Ireland to change to winter tyres in November or October because winter and for the sake of three days of snow you can't have a fleet of snow ploughs and diggers etc. sitting somewhere just in case. The machinery needs to be services and maintained and used to be any good. And you just don't get that over here to justify the expense.

    Especially as when there is no snow, winter tyres and snow chains really damage roads! You need to be 100% sure the snow is coming to use them. We often can’t be sure of that in Ireland.


  • #8345
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    We're free!! A couple of hours digging. The chairman of the residents association never so much as opened their door let alone lend a hand.This was the same person moaning about how they'd get to work tomorrow. Thanks to us they now can.


  • #8346
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭h2005


    Rodin wrote: »
    It's unreasonable to be asking for volunteers to help clear snow without involving those who are actually employed by the school.
    Why should a staff member stay at home while a parent volunteer gets shovelling?

    Curious how many people on here would be expected to clear the snow at their work. No way it'd be asked or expected where I am. I work in IT.


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  • #8347
    Paully D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Still without power, heat and water here. Slowly running out of food in the area too.

    It’s getting very difficult at this point with the latest estimate from the ESB that power will be back tonight (unlikely, if their last 4 estimates have been anything to go by).


  • #8348
    lolo62
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I definitely preferred 2010 and wins hands down for a number of reasons.

    - colder temperatures
    - Irish Sea streamers were far more impressive covering much larger areas
    - The snowflakes themselves were generally much bigger and more satisfying to watch.
    - IOM and Welsh shadows were mostly short lived in most areas with winds varying numerous times during the days and nights.
    - Some sunny but bitterly cold days allowed us to go out and enjoy the snow without fear of it melting.
    - Lack of wind made the event more enjoyable to take part in.
    - 2010 was a two parter and delivered almost a month of excitement.
    - it occurred in November and December.

    The Beast and Emma was still a very good event but I would have preferred it to last a bit longer. It was really Emma which brought the majority of the snow to a lot of places, but Emma also resulted in a much quicker introduction of milder air resulting in the quick thaw we have now. I would have really liked one or two bitterly cold and dry days after Emma to properly see the full extent of the snowfall in all it's glory without any snow melt.

    Totally agree. Where I am there was a tiny window of snowwy goodness on Thursday afternoon between the first snowfall and storm Emma. We figured the 4pm indoors warning was erring on the side of caution so went out to the memorial gardens in kilmainham for a strollabout 4.30. It was heaven. On our way back at 6pm or so the winds were starting to whip up. I've spent most of my time pining for more of that since.


  • #8349
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Most schools, if they were to obey health and safety guidelines, would remain closed. The pressure being brought to bear is by parents, some of whom have to go back to work, others who want to for leave reasons.
    Threads normally go this way, after events. I imagine the government over-reacted with the red and Orange alerts also?

    We're hardly out of the woods and already there is teacher bashing and, very hard to fathom, Defence Forces bashing. Right down to questioning the will of the individual personnel? Seriously distasteful posting.

    Boards, keyboard warrior heaven.

    Very happy to see nobody thanking Rodin’s posts. Swing and a miss.


  • #8350
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    h2005 wrote: »
    Curious how many people on here would be expected to clear the snow at their work. No way it'd be asked or expected where I am. I work in IT.

    My point is they're happy enough to ask parents above their own staff.


  • #8351
    MJohnston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    I see we're deep into the melt, and I'm not talking about the thawing snow. I can't wait for Stage 5 to be over:

    https://twitter.com/deskofmatthew/status/969384504300367872


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  • #8352
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I definitely preferred 2010 and wins hands down for a number of reasons.

    - colder temperatures
    - Irish Sea streamers were far more impressive covering much larger areas
    - The snowflakes themselves were generally much bigger and more satisfying to watch.
    - IOM and Welsh shadows were mostly short lived in most areas with winds varying numerous times during the days and nights.
    - Some sunny but bitterly cold days allowed us to go out and enjoy the snow without fear of it melting.
    - Lack of wind made the event more enjoyable to take part in.
    - 2010 was a two parter and delivered almost a month of excitement.
    - it occurred in November and December.

    The Beast and Emma was still a very good event but I would have preferred it to last a bit longer. It was really Emma which brought the majority of the snow to a lot of places, but Emma also resulted in a much quicker introduction of milder air resulting in the quick thaw we have now. I would have really liked one or two bitterly cold and dry days after Emma to properly see the full extent of the snowfall in all it's glory without any snow melt.
    I completely agree on all accounts
    Why were the IOM shadow so strong this time round?
    In south east dublin where I am in 2010 it was non stop snow..but this time round before storm emma came south east dublin was missing out hugely compared to west or north dublin. If storm emma hadn't come, D14/D6/D4/D2 would have totalled about only 4 or so inches while it was non stop blizzards from streamers a few kilometres north or west, I think wicklow and wexford were very dry before emma came too


  • #8353
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Very happy to see nobody thanking Rodin’s posts. Swing and a miss.

    Just because you don't like an opinion doesn't mean it's trolling.
    Personally I think this hysteria has gone on long enough.

    The ''hide in the house and wait for it to go away'' approach is shocking.


  • #8354
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Rodin wrote: »
    My point is they're happy enough to ask parents above their own staff.

    There no indication that teachers aren’t getting involved in the digging. They’re probably looking for as many hands as they can get. A teacher replied to you on this thread very thread to say that they’d be getting involved in the digging. And asking people to help is helping people LEAVE their houses. What are you on about? Talk about unfocused grousing.

    A truly pathetic swipe at teachers here. Perhaps you should ask for volunteers to dig that chip off your shoulder?


  • #8355
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    There no indication that teachers aren’t getting involved in the digging. They’re looking for as many hands as they can get probably. A teacher replied to you on this thread very thread to say that they’d be getting involved in the digging.

    A truly pathetic swipe at teachers here. Perhaps you should ask for volunteers to dig that chip off your shoulder?

    I am well fit to carry my own load thanks very much.


  • #8356
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Rodin wrote: »
    I am well fit to carry my own load thanks very much.

    Well, you seem to be floundering.


  • #8357
    Lepidoptera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Lepidoptera


    Rodin wrote: »
    My point is they're happy enough to ask parents above their own staff.

    Do you know that staff weren't included in the request for volunteers? Shoveling large areas by hand is also a huge amount of tiring work. Severe weather events often require people coming together a bit and volunteering some of their time and energy where they are able to in order to help each other and their community out.

    One of the good thing about events like this is that it can bring out a bit of community spirit. My area would still be snowed in except for all the neighbours who have been working together over the past 24 hours to try to clear a path out. It's very, very hard work though. Even with a large gang of us, we've barely managed to make the roads passable for the very determined. The work will continue today, but it's hard going with a lot of very sore backs.


  • #8358
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    The same people who won't help to clear snow at schools would probably be the first to run to a solicitor if their little darling slipped and fell on it.;)


  • #8359
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Thawing hasnt been the quickest here in Clondalkin. Roads are partially cleared, but there's still 2/3ft drifts in areas with at least 10-15cm snow around the place. No buses running in my area either and its misty and drizzling rain. Bit miserable to look at. Temp 4c dp 3.5


  • #8360
    glack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭glack


    Rodin wrote: »
    It's unreasonable to be asking for volunteers to help clear snow without involving those who are actually employed by the school.
    Why should a staff member stay at home while a parent volunteer gets shovelling?
    Plenty of teachers getting involved too.

    In any case, we are employed to teach not to shovel.

    Not the place to discuss it but this attitude that schools are solely the responsibility of the teachers rather the whole community (including the teachers) is becoming more and more common. Teachers teach. That’s the job description. Anything beyond that is voluntary and most are only too happy to contribute. But a well run school is a community effort.


  • #8361
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Rodin wrote: »
    Just because you don't like an opinion doesn't mean it's trolling.
    Personally I think this hysteria has gone on long enough.

    The ''hide in the house and wait for it to go away'' approach is shocking.

    It worked though, what with the snow melting.


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  • #8362
    sryanbruen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,941 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    More heavy precipitation totals from 3 March 2018.

    Places have already exceeded their whole March monthly averages now including Dublin Airport with more than 125% of its average March rainfall.

    Cork Airport - 43.8mm
    Dublin Airport - 33.6mm
    Johnstown Castle - 30.2mm
    Roches Point - 24.4mm
    Dunsany - 21.5mm

    Data from Met Éireann.

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • #8363
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Knine


    Myself and my older daughter are digging the car out as I have to take my youngest to hospital tomorrow. The amount of burly men who put their heads down and hurry by as quick as they can in case they are asked to give a hand. Lol


  • #8364
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,488 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Reports of heavy snow currently in Millstreet Co.Cork.


  • #8365
    marvin80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭marvin80


    Knine wrote: »
    Myself and my older daughter are digging the car out as I have to take my youngest to hospital tomorrow. The amount of burly men who put their heads down and hurry by as quick as they can in case they are asked to give a hand. Lol

    I hope you're giving them a good hearty hello and mentioning the terrible weather :D


  • #8366
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I definitely preferred 2010 and wins hands down for a number of reasons.

    - colder temperatures
    - Irish Sea streamers were far more impressive covering much larger areas
    - The snowflakes themselves were generally much bigger and more satisfying to watch.
    - IOM and Welsh shadows were mostly short lived in most areas with winds varying numerous times during the days and nights.
    - Some sunny but bitterly cold days allowed us to go out and enjoy the snow without fear of it melting.
    - Lack of wind made the event more enjoyable to take part in.
    - 2010 was a two parter and delivered almost a month of excitement.
    - it occurred in November and December.

    The Beast and Emma was still a very good event but I would have preferred it to last a bit longer. It was really Emma which brought the majority of the snow to a lot of places, but Emma also resulted in a much quicker introduction of milder air resulting in the quick thaw we have now. I would have really liked one or two bitterly cold and dry days after Emma to properly see the full extent of the snowfall in all it's glory without any snow melt.

    1982 looks like it had ice days after the snow fall.

    For that to work we need the Atlantic system to dump snow over Ireland (ie move north over the Irish Sea into an existing blocking easterly) and then retreat back leaving the easterly to win and the mild area to leave.

    We were nearly there but would we want that? Be nice today but we would still be shut tomorrow.


  • #8367
    actaphobia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭actaphobia


    Knine wrote: »
    Myself and my older daughter are digging the car out as I have to take my youngest to hospital tomorrow. The amount of burly men who put their heads down and hurry by as quick as they can in case they are asked to give a hand. Lol

    As come on now... girl power


  • #8368
    Birdie Num Num
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    1982 looks like it had ice days after the snow fall.

    For that to work we need the Atlantic system to dump snow over Ireland (ie move north over the Irish Sea into an existing blocking easterly) and then retreat back leaving the easterly to win and the mild area to leave.

    We were nearly there but would we want that? Be nice today but we would still be shut tomorrow.

    10th of Jan 1982 was one of the coldest days/nights ever recorded in Ireland. The week after was pretty cold so it meant there was snow around longer to enjoy during the days rather than a quick thaw. It was January so colder weather was going to be more likely. I think -19 was recorded in Dublin.


  • #8369
    sryanbruen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,941 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Birdie Num Num wrote: »
    10th of Jan 1982 was one of the coldest days/nights ever recorded in Ireland. The week after was pretty cold so it meant there was snow around longer to enjoy during the days rather than a quick thaw. It was January so colder weather was going to be more likely. I think -19 was recorded in Dublin.

    You're thinking of 12th January 1982. The -19 was also a grass minimum, not air minimum.

    In the UK, 10th January was remarkable with an air minimum of -27.2c in Scotland on this day equaling the UK's all-time low set in February 1895 and December 1995.

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • #8370
    morgana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭morgana


    North Cork roads clear, even country lanes are passable with just the middle bit still having some slushy snow. Countryside is still beautifully white with evidence of a slow thaw.
    (Mallow Lidl & ALdi busy but fully stocked :P)


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  • #8371
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Rodin wrote: »
    It's unreasonable to be asking for volunteers to help clear snow without involving those who are actually employed by the school.
    Why should a staff member stay at home while a parent volunteer gets shovelling?

    I am the only teacher who lives within 25 miles of my school. I live 5 miles away. I have no car and public transport is still not going near the school still. At the moment we're still trying to dig our way out of our estate here to get to the main road.

    Few teachers live near schools in the Dublin area.


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