Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Mayo Club 51 · 01-03-2018 01:36PM

https://twitter.com/MayoGAA/status/969186077700444163

muddle84 · 01-03-2018 01:45PM

Good stuff. more time to get more people fit

yop · 01-03-2018 03:20PM

ureds wrote: »

Harrison is having surgery on his hip next week. Highly unlikely to be playing again for a few months.

Another hip injury. Incredible the amount of GAA players that have to have hip injuries.

No harm that its cancelled. Wasn't looking forward to that drive.

glack · 01-03-2018 10:11PM

What training drills are they doing that are causing this problem? Seems to be a huge GAA issue.

djPSB · 01-03-2018 11:34PM

glack wrote: »

What training drills are they doing that are causing this problem? Seems to be a huge GAA issue.

Running the shoite out of them.

yop · 02-03-2018 10:23AM

glack wrote: »

What training drills are they doing that are causing this problem? Seems to be a huge GAA issue.

Its very possibly over training/use. Some of these lads are training and/or playing twice per day.
Lads playing colleges/schools, club, intercounty etc etc.

I remember as a 12 yr old we played our schools final at around 3pm, we then played a town league at 6. Next day was out playing an U12 West Mayo final, then in the evening playing an U14 game.
Wasn't forced, but "sure he is young" was the way to go.

The guy who played the Club semi then got a lift with the guards up to play the colleges semi final.

Also poor form in weight training. Big weights and form all over the place.

ureds · 02-03-2018 01:59PM

I fear for a lot of teenagers in later life as many play gaa at maybe 2 age groups with their club,gaa at school and possibly at county level,soccer and possibly other sports such as handball or basketball etc.
It's not just the actual matches but the training and in many cases with all they are involved in its 6 days a week.
It's crazy and they will pay the price in years to come.

Oldtree · 02-03-2018 03:06PM

ureds wrote: »

I fear for a lot of teenagers in later life as many play gaa at maybe 2 age groups with their club,gaa at school and possibly at county level,soccer and possibly other sports such as handball or basketball etc.
It's not just the actual matches but the training and in many cases with all they are involved in its 6 days a week.
It's crazy and they will pay the price in years to come.

I have to agree.

I really dislike younger players playing in the next age group up, in particular just to make up numbers with smaller clubs.

In some cases pressure can be brought to play 2 age groups up and that is right out of order imo. The rule in the GAA is one age group up and the Ladies its up to the club. This has lead to U16 girls playing junior and despite the player being very talented, that's a 15 year old playing adult football, not on imo. An even bigger difference is U14 playing Minor, that could be a 13 yo playing against someone who is already 18 (depending on dob).

While I think it is a good thing to train with older players, it is not to play games with them.

Audioslaven · 02-03-2018 03:58PM

Oldtree wrote: »

I have to agree.

I really dislike younger players playing in the next age group up, in particular just to make up numbers with smaller clubs.

In some cases pressure can be brought to play 2 age groups up and that is right out of order imo. The rule in the GAA is one age group up and the Ladies its up to the club. This has lead to U16 girls playing junior and despite the player being very talented, that's a 15 year old playing adult football, not on imo. An even bigger difference is U14 playing Minor, that could be a 13 yo playing against someone who is already 18 (depending on dob).

While I think it is a good thing to train with older players, it is not to play games with them.

The responsibility is with the kids parents and they should set the rules not the club around this.

ureds · 02-03-2018 05:32PM

Oldtree wrote: »

ureds wrote: »

I fear for a lot of teenagers in later life as many play gaa at maybe 2 age groups with their club,gaa at school and possibly at county level,soccer and possibly other sports such as handball or basketball etc.
It's not just the actual matches but the training and in many cases with all they are involved in its 6 days a week.
It's crazy and they will pay the price in years to come.

I have to agree.

I really dislike younger players playing in the next age group up, in particular just to make up numbers with smaller clubs.

In some cases pressure can be brought to play 2 age groups up and that is right out of order imo. The rule in the GAA is one age group up and the Ladies its up to the club. This has lead to U16 girls playing junior and despite the player being very talented, that's a 15 year old playing adult football, not on imo. An even bigger difference is U14 playing Minor, that could be a 13 yo playing against someone who is already 18 (depending on dob).

While I think it is a good thing to train with older players, it is not to play games with them.

Unfortunately with many clubs it's the only way a team can be fielded is by bringing underage players up an age group.
I know of one girl who last year aged 15 played u-16,minor and senior for her club and I know she is not alone.
Often u-12 players will have to play u-14 which is also a bigger pitch to their usual age level.

Oldtree · 02-03-2018 06:49PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

The responsibility is with the kids parents and they should set the rules not the club around this.

It's my experience that the girls/boys are chuffed to play for the older group and little to do with parents making a decision after being nagged to death. I'm not even sure that the parents realise the differences that can be involved.

I think the responsibility is with the gaa and Lgfa set the rules.

Oldtree · 02-03-2018 06:55PM

ureds wrote: »

Unfortunately with many clubs it's the only way a team can be fielded is by bringing underage players up an age group.
I know of one girl who last year aged 15 played u-16,minor and senior for her club and I know she is not alone.
Often u-12 players will have to play u-14 which is also a bigger pitch to their usual age level.

A reduced championship ladies team can be fielded after asking the ref and opposing manager if that's ok, and that would appear to me to be a reasonable thing to do rather than fielding an u14 girl to fill out a minor team. Maby reducing to even 13 players. Most managers understand the problems facing small clubs and would be accommodating. It's underage football after all.

One age group up seems to me to be ok, but that would be from the older ones in the lower group.

yop · 02-03-2018 08:00PM

Lads, you can't blame the parents. I remember the massive rows I had with my parents over playing during exams, playing various levels etc.
I played junior B at 15, got cleaned out and knocked out.
Playing intermediate at 16 and back then you got the Mayo shorts and socks if you were on the U16 Mayo panel, it was a target. Remember I got lifted with a shoulder and told something along the lines of "Some county boy you are", but a lad in probably his 20s or 30s.
But regardless of that, you played every single game you got asked to play.

Now I have continual issues with my hip, its tight and sore all the time, I have cracked L4 and L5 vertebrae in my back and knees are not great.
Surgeon who did work on my back 4 yrs ago said that he reckoned the vertebrae were done in my mid teens.
But when your young, your eager to play and god help anyone who tried to get in my way!

I should have stuck to chess!

Squatman · 02-03-2018 10:15PM

yop wrote: »

"Some county boy you are",

typical.

Audioslaven · 03-03-2018 01:14AM

Well as far as I see it, if the club don't care and push a young lad out to play a few ages above, they don't care about him so who is left only the kids parents. Granted the young lad wants to play but an aul head bullying a young lad on the pitch with some muppet managing the team that can't see this, is not the way to develop talent.

Oldtree · 03-03-2018 01:56AM

Audioslaven wrote: »

Well as far as I see it, if the club don't care and push a young lad out to play a few ages above, they don't care about him so who is left only the kids parents. Granted the young lad wants to play but an aul head bullying a young lad on the pitch with some muppet managing the team that can't see this, is not the way to develop talent.

It's not just the club, peer pressure is a serious issue here. The minor and u16 girls were screeching for the u14 to make up the numbers as they didn't understand that it would be better for the team to leave off a 13 year old playing against an 18 year old. It's not like a reduced number would favor a small club either from tbe oppositions view.

It's not a way to develop talent, but neither is the focus on winning silverware in underage. Imo everyone should get to enjoy playing underage football, develop skills and then be a well rounded player ready for the rigour of adult game, but sadly I have seen that nowhere, parents included.

PARlance · 03-03-2018 10:03PM

yop wrote: »

Lads, you can't blame the parents. I remember the massive rows I had with my parents over playing during exams, playing various levels etc.
I played junior B at 15, got cleaned out and knocked out.
Playing intermediate at 16 and back then you got the Mayo shorts and socks if you were on the U16 Mayo panel, it was a target. Remember I got lifted with a shoulder and told something along the lines of "Some county boy you are", but a lad in probably his 20s or 30s.
But regardless of that, you played every single game you got asked to play.

Now I have continual issues with my hip, its tight and sore all the time, I have cracked L4 and L5 vertebrae in my back and knees are not great.
Surgeon who did work on my back 4 yrs ago said that he reckoned the vertebrae were done in my mid teens.
But when your young, your eager to play and god help anyone who tried to get in my way!

I should have stuck to chess!

There should be an age limit for Junior B... nobody under 35 should be allowed to play it.

Clubs need to take more responsibility, throwing good young lads in against lads that are out for scalps is madness. I remember playing a Junior B game at 16 and a teammate around the same age left the field in an ambulance. Thought his neck was broken by an auld lad that wanted nothing but to clean him out.

I was playing senior at 17 and was bloody relieved to have escaped Junior B.

I think teenagers can play as much as they want tbh, they just need to be kept away from junatics. A game / training a day is fine as long as they're in or around the same build of those they're playing with.

Regarding all the hip injuries in with County players. You have to look at what has changed in recent years. S&C has gone through the roof, they may be pushing it too far... the other big one is the increase in use of Astro pitches... I think they could have a lot to answer for, it's a fairly unforgiving surface for the joints.

westsidestory · 04-03-2018 06:06PM

PARlance wrote: »

There should be an age limit for Junior B... nobody under 35 should be allowed to play it.

That's very unfair. I had my gut and 1,000 yard stare well developed by my early 20s.

muddle84 · 06-03-2018 08:53PM

Has anyone heard how Cian Hanley is settling back in? Has he played with Ballaghadereen yet?

seligehgit · 06-03-2018 11:52PM

Mayo v Kildare

Deferred coverage on TG4 after the Kilkenny Wexford hurling clash.

Kudos to TG4.

jr86 · 07-03-2018 10:13AM

Think Hanley's one for next year, can't see him getting championship action under any circumstances this year

Great stuff TG4. Don't know what to make of this game. Kildare will see it as their most winnable game left, and have had a couple of weeks now to target it.

While the obvious prediction is a Mayo bounce back, it didn't work out that way against Cavan last year.

Kildare however are likely to have a go and thus it should be a good open game. Hopefully Mayo have enough nous to see it out, a loss would mean all but relegation at this stage

The last 3 games are important. Everyone raving about galway now but by the 13th May we could be coming in on the back of 3 wins while Galway could be coming in on the back of two pastings by Dublin

flasher0030 · 07-03-2018 11:02AM

People are being a bit disillusional if they think that the league games between Galway and Dublin will be to Galway’s disadvantage. If both teams do get to the final, and even assuming dublin win both by a stretch, what better preparation for mayo game than 2 competitive games against the best team in the country. Great preparation for Galway backs to try to deal with the running dublin game plan.

ProudDUB · 07-03-2018 11:24AM

flasher0030 wrote: »

People are being a bit disillusional if they think that the league games between Galway and Dublin will be to Galway’s disadvantage. If both teams do get to the final, and even assuming dublin win both by a stretch, what better preparation for mayo game than 2 competitive games against the best team in the country. Great preparation for Galway backs to try to deal with the running dublin game plan.

I think he was refering to the the psychological damage of two pastings*, especially if one is in Croke Park, the stadium they have not been able to manage a championship win in, since de Valera was in short trousers. Beating other Connaught teams in front of their home crowd in Salthill, is one thing. Beating Dublin or Kerry in Croke Park in the summer, is another thing entirely.

*Don't think there will be pastings in either venue btw. Just thinking the point through.

Stoner · 08-03-2018 01:18AM

yop wrote:

But when your young, your eager to play and god help anyone who tried to get in my way!

I've an interesting stat depending on how you read it.

For our school (and sometimes club) I played every hurling game bar one until I left.

The impressive bit.

Playing minor for 4 or 5 years.

The unimpressive bit

Playing U14 for 4 or 5 years.

Needles to say some of those teams were not very good. I was the only one with the unimpressive record.

Audioslaven · 09-03-2018 12:26AM

jr86 wrote: »

The last 3 games are important. Everyone raving about galway now but by the 13th May we could be coming in on the back of 3 wins while Galway could be coming in on the back of two pastings by Dublin

The biggest issue is dealing with the way Galway play. We were so laboured and slow in our play that made it play into their hands. Granted we looked like a bunch of guys who were well off the pace/very early, but it was worrying and they have serious pace in the forward line.

Galway are now in bonus territory as they have secured D1 status with the potential for a chance of a league title. I still expect Galway to be hard to beat in May irrespective of how they finish the league as we are arch rivals.

jr86 · 09-03-2018 09:49AM

Audioslaven wrote: »

The biggest issue is dealing with the way Galway play. We were so laboured and slow in our play that made it play into their hands. Granted we looked like a bunch of guys who were well off the pace/very early, but it was worrying and they have serious pace in the forward line.

Galway are now in bonus territory as they have secured D1 status with the potential for a chance of a league title. I still expect Galway to be hard to beat in May irrespective of how they finish the league as we are arch rivals.

I was basing it more on general reaction to the state of the two teams at the minute. It's all recency effect

Basically a lot of Galway fans are giddy, a lot of Mayo are pessimistic, however my point was this could be completely reversed by May

No matter what happens in the meantime or has happened, I'm still going with a Mayo win

yop · 09-03-2018 10:50AM

Stoner wrote: »

I've an interesting stat depending on how you read it.

For our school (and sometimes club) I played every hurling game bar one until I left.

The impressive bit.

Playing minor for 4 or 5 years.

The unimpressive bit

Playing U14 for 4 or 5 years.

Needles to say some of those teams were not very good. I was the only one with the unimpressive record.

You must have been some lump of a lad playing U14 when you were 19!

Ya its nuts really that you did or "had" to.

charlie14 · 09-03-2018 02:57PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

The biggest issue is dealing with the way Galway play. We were so laboured and slow in our play that made it play into their hands. Granted we looked like a bunch of guys who were well off the pace/very early, but it was worrying and they have serious pace in the forward line.

Galway are now in bonus territory as they have secured D1 status with the potential for a chance of a league title. I still expect Galway to be hard to beat in May irrespective of how they finish the league as we are arch rivals.

Galway at this stage are safe for Div 1 for next year and are in bonus territory. Other than looking to put in a respectable performance against the Dubs, I would see them not bothered about making a Div 1 final.
In fact I could see them doing their best to avoid it, just using the rest of the league to give a run to their panel while their real focus will be tuning up for the championship.

Their supporters, same as Mayo supporters, come years end could not give a toss about the league other that maintaining Div 1 status.

blanch152 · 09-03-2018 04:12PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Galway at this stage are safe for Div 1 for next year and are in bonus territory. Other than looking to put in a respectable performance against the Dubs, I would see them not bothered about making a Div 1 final.
In fact I could see them doing their best to avoid it, just using the rest of the league to give a run to their panel while their real focus will be tuning up for the championship.

Their supporters, same as Mayo supporters, come years end could not give a toss about the league other that maintaining Div 1 status.

I always think it is a mistake to disregard the league.

In the forty years after 1960, there were only 8 League/All-Ireland doubles, only 16 in the entire 20th century.

However, in the 17 years of the 21st century, there have already been 7, with Dublin, Kerry, Cork and Tyrone, all completing one. That suggests there is an increasing correlation between league performance and All-Ireland success.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Double_(Gaelic_games)

PARlance · 09-03-2018 04:33PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I always think it is a mistake to disregard the league.

In the forty years after 1960, there were only 8 League/All-Ireland doubles, only 16 in the entire 20th century.

However, in the 17 years of the 21st century, there have already been 7, with Dublin, Kerry, Cork and Tyrone, all completing one. That suggests there is an increasing correlation between league performance and All-Ireland success.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Double_(Gaelic_games)

Lies, damn lies and stats!

Surely Kerry deserve to be at the start of your list Blanch? Seeing that they've 150% more Doubles than Doubling this Century.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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