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Hyundai Kona EV pre orders open

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    #62
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    thierry14 wrote: »
    Nice

    Finally a proper reasonably priced, one household EV to land here at last

    450km/200bhp is all the car I need

    Hyundai 5 year unlimited mileage warranty probably stands here too, they make good reliable cars

    I will buy this over model 3 if its priced around 30-35k

    Makes alot of financial sense tbh with Hyundais excellent warranty and the huge 64kWh battery pack meaning I don't need an Ice any more

    Buy for 35k, keep for 5 years, sell for 10k or so ( might be worth even more)

    5k a year running costs as fuel, tax etc is negligible

    Impressed

    Finally we agree on something:P


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    #63
    positron
    Registered Users Posts: 6,283 ✭✭✭positron


    I would be keen on the 39.2 kWh version if it's under 30k - has to be, given Leaf 2 is priced in that region. Although still no confirmation when it will be available to buy etc.


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    #64
    thierry14
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    positron wrote: »
    I would be keen on the 39.2 kWh version if it's under 30k - has to be, given Leaf 2 is priced in that region. Although still no confirmation when it will be available to buy etc.

    I would hope the Ioniq gets that battery too

    With its crazy efficiency, its a long range EV with that battery

    Its due an upgrade announcement


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    #65
    samih
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭samih


    It's about the time we are getting an EV crossover in the market. Will make a great vehicle for small families and DINKs and performance figures sound great. CCS charging will mean future proofing it too. As the 150ish PS LEAF can do 6.9 0-60 the 204 PS Kona will absolutely fly. Funny to think that this vehicle will have as much horsepower as 80's Sierra Cosworth for example. Those cars were just over 6 second cars 0-60 (although the top speed was much higher).

    Knowing that this is Ireland the insurance companies will probably classify this as a hot hatch.


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    #66
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Leaf II
    A: Overall length: 4,490MM
    B: Wheelbase: 2,700MM
    C: Overall width: 1,788MM
    D: Overall height: 1,540MM
    Shoulder room: ??
    Boot: 435

    New Micra
    Overall length: 3,995 MM
    Wheelbase: 2,525 MM
    Overall width: 1,743 MM
    Overall height: 1,452 MM
    Shoulder: 1340mm
    Boot: 300

    Kona EV
    Overall length: 4,180
    Wheelbase: 2,600
    Overall width: 1,800
    Overall height: 1,570
    Shoulder room: 1380
    Boot (VDA): 332

    VW Golf
    Length: 4258
    Wheelbase: 2620
    Width: 1790
    Height: 1492
    Interior width: 1440
    Boot (VDA measuring): 380


    The Kona is shorter, less boot space and less room across the back seat than a Leaf and a Golf.

    Its more like a slightly larger SUV Micra than a Leaf.

    If that suits you, then potentially a great car, pending price and availability.


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    #67
    thierry14
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    samih wrote: »
    It's about the time we are getting an EV crossover in the market. Will make a great vehicle for small families and DINKs and performance figures sound great. CCS charging will mean future proofing it too. As the 150ish PS LEAF can do 6.9 0-60 the 204 PS Kona will absolutely fly. Funny to think that this vehicle will have as much horsepower as 80's Sierra Cosworth for example. Those cars were just over 6 second cars 0-60 (although the top speed was much higher).

    Knowing that this is Ireland the insurance companies will probably classify this as a hot hatch.

    Thats what I love the most of about our electric future

    That Kona will pull like a WRX on the open road

    300lb/ft all the time, nice


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    #68
    rocky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭rocky


    Didn't realise how small the Kona is, was behind a Seat Ateca today and it looked very tall and narrow, the Kona is only 2cm wider.

    Presume the petrol/diesel Kona has the same exterior and interior dimensions as the EV version? Might swing by a dealer to check out the size.


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    #69
    ethernet
    Registered Users Posts: 3,568 ✭✭✭ethernet


    rocky wrote: »
    Didn't realise how small the Kona is, was behind a Seat Ateca today and it looked very tall and narrow, the Kona is only 2cm wider.

    I came across this short preview video (in Dutch but you get the gist) of the EV. Not much room in the back!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDBZOZuhTH8


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    #70
    Soarer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,864 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Nice looking car.

    Interesting to see the battery reading 97% and the range being 486kms!


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    #71
    Ryath
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Ryath


    rocky wrote: »
    Didn't realise how small the Kona is, was behind a Seat Ateca today and it looked very tall and narrow, the Kona is only 2cm wider.

    Presume the petrol/diesel Kona has the same exterior and interior dimensions as the EV version? Might swing by a dealer to check out the size.

    That’s the arona you are comparing it to. Ateca is 4cm wider and 20cm longer it's in next class up. Higher powered version is definitely in the running for our first electric. Little smaller than I’d like but it will do 90% of the time and we’ll still have one bigger car when we need the space.


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    #72
    Soarer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,864 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Have people seen this one? Only published today apparently.



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    #73
    jodaw
    Registered Users Posts: 691 ✭✭✭jodaw


    Really not liking the "minority report" style marketing. Would turn me off in fact. Was under the impression this would be the first decent sized EV. Looks absolutely tiny to me. Back looks shocking for legroom and shoulder room.

    I want to know:

    Can you fit kids in back without breaking back?
    Can you fit buggies, prams, shopping in boot? In fact even show the boot
    Can you tow a caravan and how does it affect range?

    Frankly looks a bit s**t to me

    Would not swap for Berlingo Multispace


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    #74
    irishgrover
    Registered Users Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    jodaw wrote:
    Can you fit kids in back without breaking back? Can you fit buggies, prams, shopping in boot? In fact even show the boot Can you tow a caravan and how does it affect range?


    You could always just go into a dealership and look at an ICE one to answer most of your questions.....
    Regarding towing a caravan, I don't think ev's are really designed for your use type, but I'm not sure


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    #75
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,135 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    If you looked at the last few pages, you'd have noticed its size being compared to the Micra and Golf. Just to give you an idea of the car. If it doesn't suit you, stick with your ICE and wait.


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    #76
    jodaw
    Registered Users Posts: 691 ✭✭✭jodaw


    I would imagine we are a long way off a true family sized EV, given that the current arms race with regards to range mean sloping rear ends and small boots.

    I mean a nice seven seat MPV would be great but a proper MPV with 64kwh battery might only give 200 mile real range.

    Looks like EV is a long way off for me. Although i think i would prefer the new leaf to this. Hate faux SUV's


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    #77
    lafors
    Registered Users Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭lafors


    Is no one else thinking this is a bad thing for all other EV owners in Ireland with the current amount of public chargers? Imagine arriving to the DC fast charger with one of those ahead of you? :eek:
    Do we actually have any 100kW chargers around for that 54min charge they say?


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    #78
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,135 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Jodaw, the car you are looking for is not far away, but no EV will be towing a trailer.


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    #79
    JackieChan
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    lafors wrote: »
    Is no one else thinking this is a bad thing for all other EV owners in Ireland with the current amount of public chargers? Imagine arriving to the DC fast charger with one of those ahead of you? :eek:
    Do we actually have any 100kW chargers around for that 54min charge they say?

    The Ionity chargers will have 350kw when they come here, although there are only a few sites in Ireland and are only in cities with none in between and it could be 2020 before they are online!


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    #80
    Shefwedfan
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    lafors wrote: »
    Is no one else thinking this is a bad thing for all other EV owners in Ireland with the current amount of public chargers? Imagine arriving to the DC fast charger with one of those ahead of you? :eek:
    Do we actually have any 100kW chargers around for that 54min charge they say?

    Why would you need to stop at a charger?

    If I can get around with 120km range and never have to use public system think of what I could do with 400km+


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    #81
    Shefwedfan
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    lafors wrote: »
    Is no one else thinking this is a bad thing for all other EV owners in Ireland with the current amount of public chargers? Imagine arriving to the DC fast charger with one of those ahead of you?
    Do we actually have any 100kW chargers around for that 54min charge they say?

    Why would you need to stop at a charger?

    If I can get around with 120km range and never have to use public system think of what I could do with 400km+


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    #82
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,851 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Wondering how big this really is in the back compared to Ioniq. If it is significantly smaller, then it's out for me with 3 growing up kids who'll be 10, 12 and 14 before this car is available here. Ioniq can seat 5 bigger than average adults relatively comfortably as I recently tested myself in an airport run with friends / family.

    And we also got a dog now, which means Tesla Model 3 is out, as it is only a sedan, with just a boot, no hatchback, isn't it?


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    #83
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,135 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    FCPs are needed for those who have no access to a home charging point. Also those on long commutes will need top ups.


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    #84
    goz83
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭goz83


    Water John wrote: »
    Jodaw, the car you are looking for is not far away, but no EV will be towing a trailer.

    Tesla tows trailers


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    #85
    Dglflyer
    Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭Dglflyer


    You can damn near drive the length of Ireland on a single charge.  You dont have to "fill" your car every time you get to a public charging station .  The car is definitely on the "snug" side.  But for Ireland I think it would be perfect.


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    #86
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    jodaw wrote: »
    I would imagine we are a long way off a true family sized EV, given that the current arms race with regards to range mean sloping rear ends and small boots.

    I mean a nice seven seat MPV would be great but a proper MPV with 64kwh battery might only give 200 mile real range.

    Looks like EV is a long way off for me. Although i think i would prefer the new leaf to this. Hate faux SUV's

    It's a compact crossover, I don't think I seen any mention of SUV?

    Irish people refer to these as SUV but they are not. The majority are crossover(qashqai, ix35, Tucson, sportage, etc) and then they came out with compact crossover(kona, c-hr, juke etc). They are popular with loads of people, especially in cities, the c-hr has been huge success for Toyota


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    #87
    Shefwedfan
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    unkel wrote: »
    Wondering how big this really is in the back compared to Ioniq. If it is significantly smaller, then it's out for me with 3 growing up kids who'll be 10, 12 and 14 before this car is available here. Ioniq can seat 5 bigger than average adults relatively comfortably as I recently tested myself in an airport run with friends / family.

    And we also got a dog now, which means Tesla Model 3 is out, as it is only a sedan, with just a boot, no hatchback, isn't it?

    It will be too small, yeah it's a 4 person vehicle. It is not made for large family

    My wife wanted to buy Juke before babies arrived. We mentioned about buggy etc, salesman just pointed over at Qashqai...


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    #88
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,851 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    It's a compact crossover

    What size is Kona? I have not been inside a Juke, so can't compare. Is it similar to Renault Captur? If it is, I'm out. We had one as a rental car and the 3 kids fitted in the back alright but it was tight. Would not be big enough for longer journeys and with the kids growing


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    #89
    Casati
    Registered Users Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Casati


    jodaw wrote: »
    I would imagine we are a long way off a true family sized EV, given that the current arms race with regards to range mean sloping rear ends and small boots.

    I mean a nice seven seat MPV would be great but a proper MPV with 64kwh battery might only give 200 mile real range.

    Looks like EV is a long way off for me. Although i think i would prefer the new leaf to this. Hate faux SUV's

    I wouldn’t be so sure, in fairness how economical are the current crop of diesel compact crossovers versus the diesel large family cars - maybe 10% better at best? Large 7 seaters like Galaxy’s are probably 20% less efficient than a Focus? If that relative delta plays out then it should be easy to see larger cars with the same range by having a slightly larger battery surely

    They are clearly introducing these large battery’s into cars they feel will sell in numbers ASAP and where buyers will pay a premium. As such it makes sense to initially launch compact crossovers with premium prices, but you can be sure that once they are selling then the larger cross-overs and family cars will come to the market quickly.

    Personally the cars size and space would have to meet my requirements before I’d look at the drivetrain, what’s the point of suffering with a tiny boot or limited space if you play golf / mtb’s or have 3 teenagers etc.

    These Kona’s are aimed to fit a segment in the market so may not fit everybodies requirements but it looking obvious that car makers are taking EV seriously so I’d expect to see an ev with decent range that fits your space if not your wallet in the next two or three years.


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    #90
    Shefwedfan
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    unkel wrote: »
    What size is Kona? I have not been inside a Juke, so can't compare. Is it similar to Renault Captur? If it is, I'm out. We had one as a rental car and the 3 kids fitted in the back alright but it was tight. Would not be big enough for longer journeys and with the kids growing

    Captur, Juke, C-HR all in same range

    If I compare sizes, the Kona is a bit bigger than Captur but smaller than C-HR

    My friend has hybrid C-HR, she brought our 2 kids in back and that was back full more or less

    To be fair it seems to be wider than Golf so it might be option


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    KCross
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    It will be too small, yeah it's a 4 person vehicle. It is not made for large family

    My wife wanted to buy Juke before babies arrived. We mentioned about buggy etc, salesman just pointed over at Qashqai...
    unkel wrote: »
    What size is Kona? I have not been inside a Juke, so can't compare. Is it similar to Renault Captur? If it is, I'm out. We had one as a rental car and the 3 kids fitted in the back alright but it was tight. Would not be big enough for longer journeys and with the kids growing
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Captur, Juke, C-HR all in same range

    If I compare sizes, the Kona is a bit bigger than Captur but smaller than C-HR

    My friend has hybrid C-HR, she brought our 2 kids in back and that was back full more or less

    To be fair it seems to be wider than Golf so it might be option


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