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Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi *spoilers from Post 2857*

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Home release has one huge thing going for it over TFA. They’re giving you all the bonus content together whereas on TFA there was a lot of double dipping it going on and something like three releases staggered out over time with more content on each one. They got backlash for that so seem to have copped in not to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,322 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    But never have I thought to myself "I wonder what amazing adventures Old Ben got up to while on Tatooine."

    Not only that, but there's not really much scope for amazing adventures either.. after Sith, Ben and Yoda go into hiding to escape Anakin/Vader and Palpatine/the Empire.

    Kenobi goes to drop off and keep an eye on Luke.. but what else could he have done that wouldn't have drawn the attention of his old apprentice or the Emperor?

    It just sounds like the making for another wobbly cash-in for nostalgic fans.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Out of curiosity, and it's possibly beyond the topic of this thread: each of us got 150 million dollars to go off and make our own Star Wars film / TV series: what would that film be about? Serious question like, given the generally lukewarm reception the prospect of various prequel spin-offs have received thus far, I'm curious what people would prefer - given Star Wars is now an inevitability until the sun burns itself out.

    My own thoughts? I dunno, possibly set something way, way off the beaten track from the endless war, maybe where the Imperial footprint isn't so heavy and there are power vacuums and wriggle-room to live or prosper. Taking the original cinematic inspirations for Star Wars and making a full-on space-western, low stakes n' all, would be kinda cool.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Trying to think of stuff and I’m stumped. Entire galaxy and I can’t think of anything

    Pagan/ Early force users before Jedi and sith dogma could be good.


    God that’s lazy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭uncleoswald


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, and it's possibly beyond the topic of this thread: each of us got 150 million dollars to go off and make our own Star Wars film / TV series: what would that film be about? Serious question like, given the generally lukewarm reception the prospect of various prequel spin-offs have received thus far, I'm curious what people would prefer - given Star Wars is now an inevitability until the sun burns itself out.

    My own thoughts? I dunno, possibly set something way, way off the beaten track from the endless war, maybe where the Imperial footprint isn't so heavy and there are power vacuums and wriggle-room to live or prosper. Taking the original cinematic inspirations for Star Wars and making a full-on space-western, low stakes n' all, would be kinda cool.
    I'd make something so bad and offensive they would be forced to pack the whole thing in and never make anything Star Wars related again...But yes you are right, they are going to milk this puppy till it's dry, sigh.

    In fairness you could probably do a low-key Kenobi film in the Shane/True Grit mould with some Chinatown mixed in. He gets reluctantly dragged into a dispute between a local moisture-farming family and crime network on Tatooine and it turns out to have larger implications. He doesn't want to risk exposing himself but he realises that eventually the Skywalkers could be at risk too.

    As for TV, Firefly was a good blueprint for a show about smuggler types, DS9 for an outpost in the outer reaches. So for a TV show I'd say set it on an lawless outer-rim planet recently vacated by a retreating Empire after the events of RotJ where a team of Resistance civil-servant types move in to try and restore order and sell the ideals of the New Republic to a sceptical and often hostile local population.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭buried


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, and it's possibly beyond the topic of this thread: each of us got 150 million dollars to go off and make our own Star Wars film / TV series: what would that film be about? Serious question like, given the generally lukewarm reception the prospect of various prequel spin-offs have received thus far, I'm curious what people would prefer - given Star Wars is now an inevitability until the sun burns itself out.

    Whatever planet the Hutts come from, in a big city they control filled with the absolute criminal dreggs of the Galaxy. A young waneen, whose parents murdered by Bounty Hunters sent by some Hutt lad, she decides to arm herself to the teeth and go and Kill the hoors and the Bounty Hunters responsible at some lavish Bounty Hunter/Scumbag party in some Skyscraper Hutt Palace.
    Bit of Die Hard, Kill Bill, Assault on Precinct 13 and Star Wars all in the mix. And make sure it be over 18's with absolute ridiculous 80's style ultra violence.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,737 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I’d distribute the the €150 million between two or three arthouse & experimental directors / provocateurs like (for example) Jean Luc Godard, Shane Carruth (Carruth would be my ideal for the purposes of this exercise, just given his hard sci-fi interests), or Apichatpong Weerasethakul, with the only broad and frankly relatively interpretable condition that their films had to be recognisably set in the Star Wars universe. Then sit back and enjoy the madness.

    I know this sounds like a troll answer, but it’s genuinely what I’d do in the hypothetical situation that’s been put forward, without a single moment of hesitation :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭budgemook


    Logan is a pretty good blueprint for doing something different with a fantasy franchise spin-off. Hell, it even did something within it's own franchise.

    A dark, gritty Western with some decent lightsaber gore - not jumping and spinning, just cold hearted lightsaber murder.

    Would be pretty cool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭brianregan09


    I'd attempt to go back to the old republic and do the 1st of a Mandalorian Wars Trilogy ....Let some one else then take on the 2nd and 3rd when my 1st one is an inevitable success


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I’d distribute the the €150 million between two or three arthouse & experimental directors / provocateurs like (for example) Jean Luc Godard, Shane Carruth (Carruth would be my ideal for the purposes of this exercise, just given his hard sci-fi interests), or Apichatpong Weerasethakul, with the only broad and frankly relatively interpretable condition that their films had to be recognisably set in the Star Wars universe. Then sit back and enjoy the madness.

    I know this sounds like a troll answer, but it’s genuinely what I’d do in the hypothetical situation that’s been put forward, without a single moment of hesitation :pac:

    I like you Johnny, but that was such a troll answer I wish I could report you :) that's a terrible answer and you should go over to a corner and think about what you said. :P


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,737 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    pixelburp wrote: »
    I like you Johnny, but that was such a troll answer I wish I could report you :) that's a terrible answer and you should go over to a corner and think about what you said. :P

    This is a slanderous suggestion! The answer itself is wholly genuine. It’s what I’d genuinely do in the situation that’s a troll :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    The Forest moon

    I’d do a Bright tree village doco covering the lives of the ewoks for a year and all their weird Shamanic rituals and hunting expeditions and mating rituals and everyday life.

    And get David Attenborough to narrate and his crew to film it all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    A small group of stormtroopers marooned on a remote planet at the end of the Empire reinvent themselves as drag artists and set off across the planet to entertain the mining colonists with their reworking of classic hits by Max Rebo. Think Priscilla Queen of the Desert meets Mad Max, but with stormtroopers. Then at the end Obi-Wan appears and slaughters them all, as the Jedi aren't down with that kind of thing.

    It'd be better that TLJ anyhow.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    pauldla wrote: »
    A small group of stormtroopers marooned on a remote planet at the end of the Empire reinvent themselves as drag artists and set off across the planet to entertain the mining colonists with their reworking of classic hits by Max Rebo. Think Priscilla Queen of the Desert meets Mad Max, but with stormtroopers. Then at the end Obi-Wan appears and slaughters them all, as the Jedi aren't down with that kind of thing.

    It'd be better that TLJ anyhow.



    You will not believe this but there is an episode of clone wars that is almost exactly this.
    Bunch of older retired clones livin on a desert planet and it’s hugely heavily implied they’re all gay and having a great time living there.
    The story comes to them via ahsoka or Anakin turning up needing help.

    I’ll try find the episode for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    david75 wrote: »
    pauldla wrote: »
    A small group of stormtroopers marooned on a remote planet at the end of the Empire reinvent themselves as drag artists and set off across the planet to entertain the mining colonists with their reworking of classic hits by Max Rebo. Think Priscilla Queen of the Desert meets Mad Max, but with stormtroopers. Then at the end Obi-Wan appears and slaughters them all, as the Jedi aren't down with that kind of thing.

    It'd be better that TLJ anyhow.



    You will not believe this but there is an episode of clone wars that is almost exactly this.
    Bunch of older retired clones livin on a desert planet and it’s hugely heavily implied they’re all gay and having a great time living there.
    The story comes to them via ahsoka or Anakin turning up needing help.

    I’ll try find the episode for you.

    You’re kidding. I was trying to come up with something as un-Star Warsy as possible. I’d like to see that episode! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I think you're remembering the Rebels episode


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    pauldla wrote: »
    You’re kidding. I was trying to come up with something as un-Star Warsy as possible. I’d like to see that episode! :)

    I *think* it’s this one. There’s 121 episodes of clone wars and about 50 episodes of Rebels so I’m not 100% but I’m pretty sure it’s this one. It’s called Lost Commanders.
    *snip*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    Thanks, I’ll check it out. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, and it's possibly beyond the topic of this thread: each of us got 150 million dollars to go off and make our own Star Wars film / TV series: what would that film be about? Serious question like, given the generally lukewarm reception the prospect of various prequel spin-offs have received thus far, I'm curious what people would prefer - given Star Wars is now an inevitability until the sun burns itself out.

    My own thoughts? I dunno, possibly set something way, way off the beaten track from the endless war, maybe where the Imperial footprint isn't so heavy and there are power vacuums and wriggle-room to live or prosper. Taking the original cinematic inspirations for Star Wars and making a full-on space-western, low stakes n' all, would be kinda cool.

    150 mil probably wouldn't even cover the marketing bill these days. :pac:

    Anyhoo, I'd set it in the Empire period (I know you said no Imperials, but it's still the best time for a Star Wars film). Set on a remote planet that favors Imperial rule. The Empire has been shipping food and supplies to the planet and aiding the local populace. In return, they recieve support and a commodity of some desctiption. The rebels send envoys to try and wrestle support away from the Empire to their cause and raise an insurgency by informing the people of what Imperial rule is like on other planets. This splits the people into different factions. The Rebels also blockade the Empire transports from delivering food and the people begin to starve and turn against the Rebels.

    It all ends in a massive battle and everyone dies, with the Empire laughing up their sleeves.

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

    'Rebellion: A Star Wars Story'


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    One of the new canon books is about fragments of the empires fleet not believing the emperor had been killed and the empire had fallen so they don’t stand down. Then the emperor had all these contingency orders in case of his death sent out and I’m not sure what they are but they kick in.
    We know the first order rose from the remnants of that fleet which would have been galaxy wide so presumably the war went on a good while past the events of ROTJ. We also know they came to a peace agreement or armistice but never went away and it’s Leia figures out they’re rebuilding and have aspirations to come back.

    So a series based within that fleet and birth of the first order could be great.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Forgot to say.
    Lucasfilm have trademarked ‘Star Wars: Resistance’ on just about everything you can imagine. Could be the name of one of the new series.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'd say Disney trademarked just about any combination of titles that were suitably generic, yet 'Star Wars'y enough. I believe it's standard enough practise with these sorts of continuous franchises.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Funny enough they don’t seem to do that. The last time they trademarked a name it was a couple of years ago and it set fandom off into a speculation spiral and it turned out it it was one of the new mobile games. I don’t go near any of those, there’s a few of them. Resistance seems kinda specific. Could be just a game too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    david75 wrote: »
    Funny enough they don’t seem to do that. The last time they trademarked a name it was a couple of years ago and it set fandom off into a speculation spiral and it turned out it it was one of the new mobile games. I don’t go near any of those, there’s a few of them. Resistance seems kinda specific. Could be just a game too.

    Tried a few of the phone games and they were dull, to put it mildly. Knights of the Old Republic on the iPad was good, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    David75 - what would you recommend watching in the clone wars and rebels series ?

    All of them ?
    I have watched S1 of Clone Wars and where there is some fantastic episodes, a lot of them are boring filler - I was thinking of judging by imDb rating before I watch ...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    David75 - what would you recommend watching in the clone wars and rebels series ?

    All of them ?
    I have watched S1 of Clone Wars and where there is some fantastic episodes, a lot of them are boring filler - I was thinking of judging by imDb rating before I watch ...

    I’d pick clone wars over Rebels. If you google it it’ll tell you how to watch them chronologicallly so you can watch all the Jedi episodes or clone episodes.
    Just google best clone wars episodes and go with that. There is a bit of filler in there for sure but overall stuff like the mortis arc and yodas arc when he goes on the vision quest, is bloody great stuff.

    Rebels is good too. Season two finale ‘twilight of the apprentice’ is as good as anything on the big sceeen in Star Wars. When Rebels hits it hits big but it’s definitely a kids tv show for the most part. As with clone wars just do a search on best Rebels episodes. There are loads worth watching.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    So there’s geansai loads of leaks from the TLJ novelisation out there and a lot of it seems to be pretty much exactly what people wanted in the film.
    the first line of the prologue has luke on tatooine thinking about his wife. Health warning with that tbh but still
    Especially this one on Snokes backstory

    Crazy stuff in there! https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2018/02/25/last-jedi-novel-reveals-snokes-past/


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Excellent news.

    David w. Collins who does the amazing breakdowns of the Star Wars scores on rebel force radio has started his own soundtrack podcast! This guy is really worth your time if you’re interested in film score and soundtracks at all and the first one looks to be a doozy

    https://twitter.com/davidwcollins/status/968920161720852480


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    Further evidence of the 'do what you want' approach to the new trilogy.

    http://ie.ign.com/articles/2018/03/02/jj-abrams-wrote-drafts-for-star-wars-8-and-9-says-daisy-ridley
    “Here’s what I think I know. J. J. wrote Episode VII, as well as drafts for VIII & IX. Then Rian Johnson arrived and wrote TLJ entirely. I believe there was some sort of general consensus on the main lines of the trilogy, but apart from that, every director writes and realizes his film in his own way.

    "Rian Johnson and J. J. Abrams met to discuss all of this, although Episode VIII is still his very own work. I believe Rian didn’t keep anything from the first draft of Episode VIII.”

    I would love to see JJ's Episode VIII draft leaked on to the internet, just to see what could have been and, perhaps, a much better film.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    I dunno. There’s a few hundred pages here of people insisting Disney told JJ and Rian what to do and wouldn’t let them have any creative freedom. Despite all evidence to the contrary.


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