The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

Billy86 wrote: »

In a midseason QB crisis maybe, otherwise I reckon he's finished. It might be the most stunning fall from grace off a rookie season I've ever seen.

Yes, one of the huge pitys of the last few years. Looked like we would be watching him for the next decade.

Maybe a team with a mobile QB would consider him for a backup, Buffalo or Seattle. Personally I'd love to see a few of these players try the CFL as route back into football.

Talk among a few of the usual reliable NFL guys on Twitter that the Chiefs would listen to trade offers for Marcus Peters.

Insanity.

MileHighGuy wrote: »

Why do you think this JRG? I thought they exceeded expectations last year with a really young team, cap space to burn (don't think they have any major players to resign urgently) and it's New York!

Cousins is going to get paid no matter where he goes - it will come down to who can persuade him that he has the best chance of winning.

The top two are Minnesota and Denver - and after that Buffalo and maybe Arizona. I'd be surprised if anyone else was in contention.

I also expect it to happen quite quickly as every team that doesn't get him will want to move to plan B as soon as possible.

Of course Washington could act silly buggers and tag him again in the hope of trading him - except Cousins won't sign the tag contract and if he doesn't Washington can't trade him. All that will do is p*ss everyone off - especially Cousins.

eagle eye wrote: »

Do you know the guy? I don't think so.

He will most likely go where the best contract with the most guaranteed money is. It'll be his first big contract and I'm sure that getting financially set up for life comes before which team gives him the best chance of winning.
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Do you know the guy?

Last year Alshon Jeffery went to Philadelphia for about two million less than he was offered to stay in Chicago. Chicago was not just offering more money but it was also a bigger market, nicer city etc. He would also have been The number one guy there, which he isn't in Philly. He even took a one year prove yourself deal where the Bears were offering better. The only variable was that one team was good and the other was not. It's not beyond the bounds of possibility for a player to choose a team based on the odds of winning with them. Even from a monetary viewpoint doing so makes perfect sense given he's going to be the face of the team wherever he goes. He'll be set up financially for life no matter where he goes. I don't see anything weird in thinking he might factor in the potential to win in his decision. It wouldn't be that unusual.

Patww79 wrote: »

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Who said there is?

jack presley wrote: »

I think it'll be more about money than winning if this quote is anything to go by.

"There’s other quarterbacks that come after you and it would be almost a selfish move to hurt future quarterbacks who get in a position to have a contract,” he continued. “And if you don’t take a deal that’s fair to you, then you’re also taking a deal that’s not fair to them and you’re setting them back as well. So there’s different reasons. You just do the best you can.”

Not for his own benefit of course, but for the benefit of future QBs....!!!!

....veiled shot at Tom Brady there from Cousins!

Hey everyone, long time NFL fan and a bit of a lurker here but for whatever reason never got involved in the threads really on boards for it.

Have a group of friends who watch a lot of football and we tend to talk at least once a week on Skype about all things football. We have started making some bold or surprise predictions for next season and when I mentioned mine there was a lot of doubt from the rest so decided it would be suited here haha!

Making a prediction that Chad Kelly will eventually be the backup QB at Denver next season and will see some snaps in regular season. Think Siemian could be gone, and see Denver trying to bring in a veteran over drafting (could be wrong). Obviously injuries and off field behaviour too ruined his draft stock, and he missed most of last season out injured but I just think he has a good skillset and more of a fight in him than Lynch or Siemian.

Feel free to laugh at me now.

eagle eye wrote: »

He will most likely go where the best contract with the most guaranteed money is. It'll be his first big contract and I'm sure that getting financially set up for life comes before which team gives him the best chance of winning.

I think the Jets will pay him as big if not bigger than anybody else and if he signs they suddenly become a very serious threat in the AFC imo.

I don't think he loses out in any way by going there.

Cousins has raked in almost $45million in the past two seasons - and will likely get something like $130million over 5 years with maybe $90million guaranteed and a big chunk of it upfront. That is something like $65million more than Brady has been paid in the last 7 seven years.

Cousins will get paid that no matter where he goes - his choice will likely come down to where he thinks he has the best chance of winning a SB.

Hococop wrote: »

Alshon Jeffrey had surgery on a torn rotary cuff, apparently he picked it up near the start at the season that is some feat to play the way he did over the season

He's been injured a lot during his career, I wonder if he can prolong his career given the number of injuries he's had. I hope so, at his best he's a really exciting, anything-could-happen kind of player.

Adamocovic wrote: »

Making a prediction that Chad Kelly will eventually be the backup QB at Denver next season and will see some snaps in regular season. Think Siemian could be gone, and see Denver trying to bring in a veteran over drafting (could be wrong). Obviously injuries and off field behaviour too ruined his draft stock, and he missed most of last season out injured but I just think he has a good skillset and more of a fight in him than Lynch or Siemian.

Feel free to laugh at me now.

Siemian is gone - Elway is trying to trade him for a 6th/7th as a back-up (and he is a decent back-up). He would be kept in Denver if it weren't for Lynch - nobody will trade for Lynch because he is a dope and he would cost $4.5million in dead cap to cut. Elway will go all out to sign Cousins - if he fails he will draft a QB. The pick will be Rosen if he falls to 1.5 or Mayfield if he doesn't.

Kelly is actually intriguing and one of the more intriguing QBs drafted in years - he is far, far more talented than Osweiler, Lynch or Siemian. Mike Maylock had him graded as a late first round, early second round pick if it weren't for the injuries and the fact that he was a nut case while in college. He regarded him as at least comparable with Deshaun Watson.

When Kelly was in high-school he was suspended as a freshman and kicked off the football team as a sophomore. In 2014 he was kicked off the Clemson team for 'conduct detrimental to the team'. while at Clemson Kelly got into fights with coaches on the sidelines and during practice. A few months later he started a fight with a bouncer at a bar - threatened to get an AK47 and shoot the place up and then got into a fight with the cops when they came to arrest him. The bar brawl and his conviction for disorderly conduct resulted in him being banned from the combine - and he was also banned from attending the NFL draft. After he was banned from the combine a former porn star mocked him - she had previously accused him of being a sex pest for constantly asking her on twitter to facetime him.

In Oct 2016 Kelly was attending a high-school game where his younger brother was playing QB - who took a late hit out of bounds. A scuffle broke out Kelly bolted out of the stand and jumped into the middle swinging all around him causing a mass brawl and leading to the game being suspended. His uncle Jim Kelly (former Buffalo QB) claimed that Casey Kelly was being kicked and punched on the ground and that is why Chad Kelly joined in.

On top of that Kelly tore his ACL in November 2016 as well as doing other damage to his knee and he underwent wrist surgery on his throwing hand last year. the combination of being a nut and the injuries caused him to plummet in the draft. It was always on the cards that the Broncos would red-shirt him when he was drafted.

Now the upside - Kelly spent two years at Ole Miss and was highly regarded by coaches for his talent, competitiveness and for keeping his head down and having a terrific work ethic. He has not got into any trouble since the fight at the game in Oct 2016.

His uncle is Jim Kelly - regarded by many as the most talented QB in the QB draft of 1983 which saw Elway, Tony Eason, Kelly, Ken O'Brien and Dan Marino all drafted in the first round. Jim Kelly was also a bit of a nut case but he had a terrific career over ten years with Buffalo. Jim Kelly's only son died at a young age and he spent a lot of time with Chad when he was growing up teaching him how to play QB. Jim Kelly claims that being constantly compared with him cause a lot of problems for Chad that took time to deal with. In terms of talent Jim Kelly claims that by the time he was 15 Chad had a stronger arm and was better at reading defences than Kelly was during his NFL career. Chad Kelly used to talk about spending several hours a day viewing video and stills - studying the defence and then challenging Jim as to who would be better at reading them. He talks about reading the defence was the thing he loved most and what drove him to play football.

Chad Kelly has the potential to be an NFL QB - if he is half the player Jim Kelly was he will be an NFL starter for a decade. There are two big questions around Kelly - has he recovered from the injuries (and they were serious) and has he sorted out his head and matured. Jim Kelly is adamant he has and told Elway such when they discussed drafting his nephew. He certainly has the talent - he certainly has the pedigree - he certainly has the potential - the question to be answered is will Chad Kelly fulfill his potential. Since last years draft Kelly has studied hard, worked hard on rehab and been a model pro for the Broncos. Hopefully it will pay off for both.

As Broncos fan - and an admirer of Jim Kelly when he played (he has always been my favourite QB - with Bernie Kosar a close second) - I would love to see Chad Kelly fulfill his potential and become a legitimate NFL starter for the Broncos. I am the eternal optimist when it comes to the Broncos - and am a lot more positive about Kelly than I have been about any QB the Broncos have drafted since Elway.