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If we had one government

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  • #32
    jacksie66
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  • #33
    VinLieger
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    Im really unsure if the OP is actually that childishly naive or just a troll, either way im bored already


  • #34
    Ajsoprano
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    So we are getting rid of money now? You didn’t say.

    There would be no trade


  • #35
    Ajsoprano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Ajsoprano


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Im really unsure if the OP is actually that childishly naive or just a troll, either way im bored already

    Itd take a few years to educate the people of each country to understand this before we went for it


  • #36
    Ajsoprano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Ajsoprano


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    If there was one Government gay marriage would probably be illegal.

    Gay marriage and religion and communism and republicanism are just ways to scaremonger the electorate and the army.
    Without an electorate or army people would just get on with it.

    Schools could teach people to accept stuff.


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  • #37
    diomed
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    I think the OP wants people to work to feed other people, billions of people.
    The only flaw I see is that people might not want to do that.


  • #38
    Ajsoprano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Ajsoprano


    diomed wrote: »
    I think the OP wants people to work to feed other people, billions of people.
    The only flaw I see is that people might not want to do that.

    You have to work anyway. My plan maybe halves the working hours and feeds all the people.


  • #39
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    How do you produce more by doing less work?


  • #40
    Ajsoprano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Ajsoprano


    diomed wrote: »
    How do you produce more by doing less work?

    There would be better division of resources. We wouldn’t be tricking people to buy new stuff. Car factories washing machine factories binman jobs would all shrink.
    Banking jobs stock brokers accountants all gone.
    In ten years robots will be able to do a lot of jobs.
    This whole way of life exists because of the market and trade.


  • #41
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    Banking jobs stock brokers accountants all gone.
    I am retired. I was an accountant.
    From what you are saying you have little idea of business.
    You need control.
    Money is used in economies. Banks are needed.
    If you have ever seen a business run without records (I have) you will be picking up the pieces in a bankruptcy very soon after.
    All businesses need production, purchasing, marketing/sales, finance, quality control, human resources, and other departments.
    Go light on one of these areas and there will be trouble.

    Your ideas might appeal after a load of pints in a pub.


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  • #42
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    You have to work anyway. My plan maybe halves the working hours and feeds all the people.

    Your plan is not a plan. It’s fairly incoherent but it looks like you want the world to have one government but no money and no trade. People will still work (for what?) but only half as much as they so now. After that every body will be rich.


  • #43
    Ajsoprano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Ajsoprano


    diomed wrote: »
    I am retired. I was an accountant.
    From what you are saying you have little idea of business.
    You need control.
    Money is used in economies. Banks are needed.
    If you have ever seen a business run without records (I have) you will be picking up the pieces in a bankruptcy very soon after.
    All businesses need production, purchasing, marketing/sales, finance, quality control, human resources, and other departments.
    Go light on one of these areas and there will be trouble.

    Your ideas might appeal after a load of pints in a pub.

    Again there would be no money no trade. Think outside the box here. Man mines and finds copper. It’s sent to the copper factory. They send it where copper is needed. No price of copper. No need for copper unless we need to plumb something.
    No building 20 hotels in a city that will only need 10. No bankruptcy no business battles just a lad deciding a city with x amount of tourism needs x amount of hotels.
    It’s simple really.


  • #44
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    In ten years robots will be able to do a lot of jobs.
    They might be able to all jobs.
    How much does the robot cost?
    How big is the task the robot is taking over?

    If the robot costs €10 million and is replacing a person who costs €20k a year them the person buying the robot is a fool.
    That is why you great plan is nonsense. It is not costed.
    It sounds like the budget proposals from a political party that thankfully has not been in power in the last 90 years.


  • #45
    Ajsoprano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Ajsoprano


    diomed wrote: »
    They might be able to all jobs.
    How much does the robot cost?
    How big is the task the robot is taking over?

    If the robot costs €10 million and is replacing a person who costs €20k a year them the person buying the robot is a fool.
    That is why you great plan is nonsense. It is not costed.
    It sounds like the budget proposals from a political party that thankfully has not been in power in the last 90 years.

    Jesus h Christ. The robot will cost nothing apart from the used resources spent making it. There is no money and no trade.


  • #46
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    Man mines and finds copper. It’s sent to the copper factory. They send it where copper is needed. No price of copper. No need for copper unless we need to plumb something.
    It’s simple really.
    I know a bit about copper.
    About 40 years back I worked in a country where 90% or more of the income of the country was the sale of copper.
    Under your system what happens to that country when the world demand for copper falls? At the same time the population of that country increases. And the people there see that Europeans and Americans have big cars, big televisions, and annual holidays in Florida and Spain.
    Does the rest of the world send them cars, televisions, holiday vouchers on request?


  • #47
    diomed
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    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    Jesus h Christ. The robot will cost nothing apart from the used resources spent making it. There is no money and no trade.
    Yes. There is no trade.
    Everyone sits around waiting for others to send them stuff for free.


  • #48
    Ajsoprano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Ajsoprano


    diomed wrote: »
    I know a bit about copper.
    About 40 years back I worked in a country where 90% or more of the income of the country was the sale of copper.
    Under your system what happens to that country when the world demand for copper falls? At the same time the population of that country increases. And the people there see that Europeans and Americans have big cars, big televisions, and annual holidays in Florida and Spain.
    Does the rest of the world send them cars, televisions, holiday vouchers on request?

    How f ing hard is it to understand. There is no countries and no money. An area that’s good at making cars will make cars. A whole area. 20 hour weeks.


  • #49
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    Jesus h Christ. The robot will cost nothing apart from the used resources spent making it. There is no money and no trade.

    No trade. What does that even mean. If the robots (who owns the robots?) make the magic food with the magic food beans then the people eating it will have to get it somehow.


  • #50
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    How f ing hard is it to understand. There is no countries and no money. An area that’s good at making cars will make cars. A whole area. 20 hour weeks.

    I think we are trying to work out how the factories are enticed to make cars with no money, where they buy (or get) their materials from to make the cars with no trade and no money, why all this happens within a 20 hour week, and how the cars get to whomever wants them in the absence of trade, money and markets. Also about the one government - how is it elected?


  • #51
    diomed
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    Let me give an example.
    If everyone decides they like making cars and refuse to do any other work then you have no food, no roads, no houses, no aircraft, no washing powder.
    But you have lots of cars, many of them incapable of use as they are built by gardeners, or window cleaners, or childcare workers.

    Your ideal world economy has no incentives and no penalties, just people doing what they want.


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  • #52
    diomed
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    Great thread btw. :)


  • #53
    Ajsoprano
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    It’d take a few years to start. We wouldn’t just tell everyone in Dublin that they are farmers now and send them to mayo.

    Everyone in the world works for each other.

    It’s very simple once you take out the capitalism mindset.

    If you don’t work you don’t get fed unless you are sick or disabled. Maybe we could send them to the jobs nobody else wants.

    Smartest in each area would be trained doctors and other vital services the rest would do whatever amount of hours needed to do what’s needed.

    People would get a few holiday passes or whatever a year.

    I think society as we know it was made at a time when we needed it now it’s time for change.


  • #54
    Ajsoprano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Ajsoprano


    Imagine how good art would be if people made it from feelings rather than return.


  • #55
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    It’d take a few years to start. We wouldn’t just tell everyone in Dublin that they are farmers now and send them to mayo.

    Everyone in the world works for each other.

    It’s very simple once you take out the capitalism mindset.

    If you don’t work you don’t get fed unless you are sick or disabled. Maybe we could send them to the jobs nobody else wants.

    Smartest in each area would be trained doctors and other vital services the rest would do whatever amount of hours needed to do what’s needed.

    People would get a few holiday passes or whatever a year.

    I think society as we know it was made at a time when we needed it now it’s time for change.


    So some people will have to study hard for many years while others contemplate their belly button,wheres the incentive?


  • #56
    rafatoni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭rafatoni


    OP is rufio.

    Did tottles ever find his marbles OP?


  • #57
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Sounds like Communism to me.


  • #58
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    OP it would work if you took the human nature out of humans. Some people will always want to be more equal than others


  • #59
    Gunmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    Imagine how good art would be if people made it from feelings rather than return.

    Art..your making art in this NWO? The **** you wasting time doing that when there are carrots to be grown, cars to be made (even though nobody would use them) and hotels to be built (WTF are hotels doing here?).

    So who decides who gets to be an artist and who has to clear out blocked sewer drains?

    And you never answered how you stop everyone moving to the sunny, nice parts of the world. Surely some people would have to be turfed out to worse areas, so who makes that decision?


  • #60
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    It’d take a few years to start. We wouldn’t just tell everyone in Dublin that they are farmers now and send them to mayo.

    Everyone in the world works for each other.

    It’s very simple once you take out the capitalism mindset.

    If you don’t work you don’t get fed unless you are sick or disabled. Maybe we could send them to the jobs nobody else wants.

    Smartest in each area would be trained doctors and other vital services the rest would do whatever amount of hours needed to do what’s needed.

    People would get a few holiday passes or whatever a year.

    I think society as we know it was made at a time when we needed it now it’s time for change.

    That’s basically a crazy Marxism. Now you are telling people what to do. It’s a totalitarian system where the “smartest” have to work long hours, everybody has to work or starve, and the (global) state is clearly deciding who eats and who doesn’t.


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  • #61
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    Imagine how good art would be if people made it from feelings rather than return.

    Do you feel me?

    stickman-e1425581635508.jpg

    Now, where's my sausages?


    Who determines who's an artist, and who is a bin man, who is a prostitute and who gets to race cars and play for Liverpool or Accrington Stanley.


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