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School Shooting in Parkland, Florida

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    #242
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Berserker wrote: »
    Jesus wept. It's a massive country, not some dot like Ireland that you can drive round in a few hours. You could spend the rest of your life in the USA and never see a gun.

    Hang on one second, you were the one talking about people you met on the "range" for a start, why didn't you answer that question for starters?

    Secondly, I could happily live anywhere and never see a gun and at the same time not be terrified what was going to happen to my children in school so take your faux outrage somewhere else pal.

    I'm sure anyone can avoid owning a gun in America, doesn't mean that they're safe. :rolleyes:


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    #243
    BillyBobBS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Here's a great idea America, vote in a democrat who will change all of the gun laws like say i dunno Obama or Clinton. Oh wait a minut....


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    #244
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    pilly wrote: »
    And what do these lovely people say when children are killed because of them defending their right to bear arms?

    Are the children just an acceptable sacrifice?

    They would say that it is a desperately sad incident and controls are needed to prevent troubled individuals from getting guns. However, responsible adults, who use their firearms lawfully shouldn't suffer because of the actions of a very small minority of troubled people.
    pilly wrote: »
    Hang on one second, you were the one talking about people you met on the "range" for a start, why didn't you answer that question for starters?

    What question do you have about the range?


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    #245
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Here's a great idea America, vote in a democrat who will change all of the gun laws like say i dunno Obama or Clinton. Oh wait a minut....

    Republicans keep blocking any attempt to touch it


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    #246
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Here's a great idea America, vote in a democrat who will change all of the gun laws like say i dunno Obama or Clinton. Oh wait a minut....
    Small problem there is that Republicans have controlled Congress since 2012 and during which over 100 gun control measures have been blocked and rejected. Which shouldn't be surprising given the millions in funding they get from the same NRA that openly endorse violence against their political opponents.

    I don't know how to break this to you for the umpteenth time, but Hillary Clinton is not and never was the president of the US. Bill Clinton was though, and the Federal Assault Weapons Ban when the Democrats also had a majority in congress... which then was allowed to expire under George W. Bush with a Republican majority in both houses of congress.


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    #247
    Pinch Flat
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    Panjandrums wrote: »
    It's easy to attack gun ownership when you have never experienced it.
    Let's ban people cycling on the roads because people are dying from bicycles, at the end of the day cycling and guns are used for leisure and sport and 1 person out of 320 million shouldn't stop that.

    Some serious false equivalence going on there. For example, the health benefits, avoiding congestion and lessening pollution that cycling brings. But hey cyclists seem to be the universal pariah these days, so just going with the current group think.


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    #248
    FishinForDealz
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    Terrible News!


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    #249
    ThinkProgress
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    valoren wrote: »
    I think the problem is never going to go away and thus policy needs to change from the deluded idea that this can be prevented and must focus completely on containment i.e. reducing the potential number of fatalities.

    You know, I hate the word 'holistic'... because it has become one of those stupid buzzwords, used indiscriminately by far too many people these days!

    However, there really does need to be a more holistic approach to tackling this problem.

    Other countries have similar amounts of firearms per head of population, as the US... but they don't have this kind of problem with rampant gun violence. Why is that??

    The gun culture simply cannot be the only reason for all these massacres... it's certainly a significant factor in them. But it's not the only factor... and quite possibly not even the main factor!

    America has a very deep history of violence. The gun is arguably a symptom of their violent past and present. There are more bad and mad people in that country than other countries... just look at the huge prison population. (most of whom are not incarcerated because of gun crimes)

    While I'm certainly no gun advocate to say the least... I really do think people need to look a bit deeper than just the tools being used by these crazy people, to commit their crimes!

    Sure the gun is a very dangerous tool... and there are absolutely far too many of them around. But it has become a convenient way to ignore the deeper issues/problems in their society. Why are so many Americans angry and feeling disenfranchised and powerless, to the point where they want to lash out at everyone around them?? What does that say about their society?


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    #250
    Jelle1880
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    A lot of Yanks seem to think that even the smallest measure will lead to their guns being taken away, but don't even back simple things like a standard background check to make sure the person buying a shotgun isn't some deranged lunatic.

    The government can't even investigate gun violence due to the so-called Dickey Amendment, preventing the CDC from looking at it as a public health crisis.


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    #251
    Billy86
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    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    Most common question i'm seeing on Twitter this morning "What did Obama do in 8 years?"

    Trumpies are just on another level of thick.
    Actually it's completely intentional on their end, and a good chunk of those are probably more bots.


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    #252
    BorneTobyWilde
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    No way to stop it, probably measures that could be taken to offer some warning to schools though. Someone saw him before he entered grounds of school, before he was even in the area. Someone saw him on grounds, someone saw him enter school,someone saw him in the school. All those people walked away, they had no way to sound the alarm.
    You have fire alarms every few feet, well maybe about time there was an active shooter alarm every few feet in school, and on grounds, and first person who sees him can smash it and raise alarm.


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    #253
    yermandan
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    Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »
    Here's the suspect

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/nick-cruz-parkland-florida-shooting-stoneman-douglas-high-school

    “Most kids ignored him at school. They pushed him off to the side as if he was garbage.”

    “He was definitely not accepted at our school socially. People saw him as someone who was different than the normal people at our school,”

    ‘’Douglas High has a place students call “the Emo Gazebo,” he said. “That’s where all the kids that are considered weird or not accepted sat. Kids at the Emo Gazebo didn’t even accept him there. He was just an outcast...He didn’t have any friends.”

    “I could tell he tried to be social at times but there was something off about him,” she said. “I never really saw him with many people. Girls thought he was creepy and weird. He was pretty pale with red hair. I didn’t talk to him that much, but from what I could tell he wasn’t a nice kid. He wore a lot of black and was always alone’’


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    #254
    BorneTobyWilde
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    yermandan wrote: »
    “Most kids ignored him at school. They pushed him off to the side as if he was garbage.”

    “He was definitely not accepted at our school socially. People saw him as someone who was different than the normal people at our school,”

    ‘’Douglas High has a place students call “the Emo Gazebo,” he said. “That’s where all the kids that are considered weird or not accepted sat. Kids at the Emo Gazebo didn’t even accept him there. He was just an outcast...He didn’t have any friends.”

    “I could tell he tried to be social at times but there was something off about him,” she said. “I never really saw him with many people. Girls thought he was creepy and weird. He was pretty pale with red hair. I didn’t talk to him that much, but from what I could tell he wasn’t a nice kid. He wore a lot of black and was always alone’’

    It's basically what popular kids say about every other kid in school. They love the attention, they will be the ones talking to media and painting the picture for the world to see.


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    #255
    Berserker
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    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    Most common question i'm seeing on Twitter this morning "What did Obama do in 8 years?"

    Trumpies are just on another level of thick.

    It's not just "trumphies". Lots of Americans ask the same question. I know that Obama is a much loved character in this part of the world but plenty of people in the USA think that he was a massive disappointment. He talked the talk and a lot of that talk was of a socialist nature, which just doesn't wash with a lot of folk in the USA. He's part of the reason why Trump is in power now!


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    #256
    The Backwards Man
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    No way to stop it, probably measures that could be taken to offer some warning to schools though. Someone saw him before he entered grounds of school, before he was even in the area. Someone saw him on grounds, someone saw him enter school,someone saw him in the school.

    Someone sold him a semi automatic rifle.


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    #257
    Jimbob1977
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    This should transcend party politics

    Yes, Republicans seem beholden to the gun industry.

    However, the murder capitals of America (Chicago, Washington, LA, New Orleans, etc) are heavily Democrat. Most gang bangers would vote Democrat, if they voted at all.


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    #258
    ThinkProgress
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    Berserker wrote: »
    It's not just "trumphies". Lots of Americans ask the same question. I know that Obama is a much loved character in this part of the world but plenty of people in the USA think that he was a massive disappointment. He talked the talk and a lot of that talk was of a socialist nature, which just doesn't wash with a lot of folk in the USA. He's part of the reason why Trump is in power now!

    Yep, he was a disappointment overall... His main legacy will be "the first ever black US president" - but unfortunately not much more than that!

    Just like Hilary would very likely have gone down in history, as the "first ever female US president" and not much more either!

    Our own Leo is playing out a similar role in this country...

    This is what you get, when you hire unexceptional candidates into roles, for the wrong reasons... disappointment... not really surprising tbh.


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    #259
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    People saying Obama was a disappointment are only following the **** the Republicans say.

    The economic growth alone is proof he did a decent job. Same as with Bill Clinton: Mostly known for the Lewinsky stuff these days and Republicans also hate him, but overall he did a good job.


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    #260
    everlast75
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    I thought this article was quite on the money... literally

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    #261
    BorneTobyWilde
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Someone sold him a semi automatic rifle.

    That was legal, nothing one can ever do about that.


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    #262
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    everlast75 wrote: »
    big picture

    http://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/

    All those thoughts and prayers surely will help.


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    #263
    Christy42
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    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Yep, he was a disappointment overall... His main legacy will be "the first ever black US president" - but unfortunately not much more than that!

    Just like Hilary would very likely have gone down in history, as the "first ever female US president" and not much more either!

    Our own Leo is playing out a similar role in this country...

    This is what you get, when you hire unexceptional candidates into roles, for the wrong reasons... disappointment... not really surprising tbh.

    Obamacare will be his legacy. It is a pretty great one too given its most die hard retractors refused to get rid of it when they had the power to do so (see healthcare vote).

    Obama was insanely qualified unlike Trump and made repeated attempts to address this issue. He did fail but I fail to see how going with the people who have been bought and paid for by the people making money off of incidents like the school shooting is going to solve anything (see increase in gun sales after mass shootings).


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    #264
    Billy86
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    As expected, according to Florida government or Rick Scott this is not the time nor place to discuss gun control or mental health.


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    #265
    Hector Savage
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    Not a parody account either

    https://twitter.com/ConservaMomUSA/status/963962698387124224


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    #266
    FatherTed
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    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Here's a great idea America, vote in a democrat who will change all of the gun laws like say i dunno Obama or Clinton. Oh wait a minut....

    Sure because Presidents write the laws of the United States :rolleyes:


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    #267
    FatherTed
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    Berserker wrote: »
    It's not just "trumphies". Lots of Americans ask the same question. I know that Obama is a much loved character in this part of the world but plenty of people in the USA think that he was a massive disappointment. He talked the talk and a lot of that talk was of a socialist nature, which just doesn't wash with a lot of folk in the USA. He's part of the reason why Trump is in power now!

    That's your opinion. Mine is different. I think he was a great president and accomplished a lot considering what he had to put up with the Republicans in congress. Day 1 of Obama's presidency Mitch McConnell actually said their sole purpose was to make him fail and be a one term president. It didn't matter that the US economy crashed a few months before such was their hate for him. Anyways he was a lot better than the stooge before him and the treasonous racist we have now.


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    #268
    captbarnacles
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    Berserker wrote: »
    It's not just "trumphies". Lots of Americans ask the same question. I know that Obama is a much loved character in this part of the world but plenty of people in the USA think that he was a massive disappointment. He talked the talk and a lot of that talk was of a socialist nature, which just doesn't wash with a lot of folk in the USA. He's part of the reason why Trump is in power now!

    Eh...Obama was elected twice? and has a high approval rating right now?

    Do you believe the voters who elected Trump were disappointed Obama voters? They weren't.


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    #269
    captbarnacles
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    FatherTed wrote: »
    That's your opinion. Mine is different. I think he was a great president and accomplished a lot considering what he had to put up with the Republicans in congress. Day 1 of Obama's presidency Mitch McConnell actually said their sole purpose was to make him fail and be a one term president. It didn't matter that the US economy crashed a few months before such was their hate for him. Anyways he was a lot better than the stooge before him and the treasonous racist we have now.

    Not least steering them out of the financial crisis.


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    #270
    LostinKildare
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    For those of you taking a pop at Obama, he wasn't able to push gun control legislation through Congress but he did implement a number of executive actions, summarised here:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jan/06/congress-blocked-obama-call-gun-control-mass-shoot/

    including one aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of severely mentally disturbed persons.

    It was reversed as soon as Trump came into office -- overturned by Congress on a party-line vote and signed by the new president almost exactly a year ago.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/28/politics/guns-mental-health-rule/

    EDIT: I would have posted video of Trump signing the bill revoking the Obama-era gun checks for people with severe mental illness but guess what? The media was barrred from covering it, and so there is no video. Shameful.


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    #271
    Snickers Man
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    God contemplates a response to all those "thoughts and prayers".


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