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What are your views on contraception?

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  • #273
    LCD
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    I am going to call out the overly pious owenybaloney as a blatant troll. He answers everything here except the 100% legitimate question I put to him, which is a morally right but religiously wrong scenario.


  • #274
    Delirium
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    MOD NOTE

    Please don't call poster(s) trolls on-thread.

    If you have an issue what someone has posted, please report it.

    Thanks for your attention.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #275
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
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    Excuse me, but I am not a troll. Thank you.


  • #276
    Effects
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    n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »
    Excuse me, but I am not a troll. Thank you.

    Your posts make you come across as a troll as they don't seem genuine.
    They certainly don't read like they come from a mentally sound mind.


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  • #277
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    The most basic method of 'contraception' is abstinence from sex ... and some people do so for life. This is perfectly moral, but somewhat in conflict with God's command to be fruitful and multiply (or reproduce) ... but to each their own and all that.

    The next level of contraception is the use of various means to prevent fertilisation during sex. This is also morally acceptable because everyone has the moral right to decide to have children ... or not, as the case may be ... same as abstinence morally.

    The next level of 'contraception' is the use of abortion to kill unborn children that have already started on their journey through life. This is deeply immoral and is banned, to varying degrees, by law in different countries.


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  • #279
    FishOnABike
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    J C wrote: »
    The most basic method of 'contraception' is abstinence from sex ... and some people do so for life. This is perfectly moral, but somewhat in conflict with God's command to be fruitful and multiply (or reproduce) ... but to each their own and all that.

    The next level of contraception is the use of various means to prevent fertilisation during sex. This is also morally acceptable because everyone has the moral right to decide to have children ... or not, as the case may be ... same as abstinence morally.

    The next level of 'contraception' is the use of abortion to kill unborn children that have already started on their journey through life. This is deeply immoral and is banned, to varying degrees, by law in different countries.

    While the forum is titled "What are your views on contraception" this black and white statement leaves out so much, I feel it needs a reply.

    The morality of any method is a matter of personal opinion or faith. Not all people or denominations consider contraception (in any form) to be moral or immoral.

    There are many options in between abstinence and surgical not reflected in the simple 1-2-3 level view given, from the various barrier methods used during intercourse, spermicides, post cotial methods, including hormonal, implants (some combined with hormonal), morning after pill, medical and surgical.

    What methods I find personally acceptable is a matter between myself and my partner. I don't think I should be able to dictate what is acceptable (or available) to others, based solely on my own views.

    Rather than saying "it is banned, to varying degrees, by law in different countries." it would be more accurate to say that medicines, medical and surgical procedures are variously regulated by law in different countries.


  • #280
    J C
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    It is both ethically and medically dangerous ... and should only be used in extremis.

    ....... wrote: »
    Abortion is legal in many different countries, mostly progressive ones. The places where it is banned tend to be non progressive countries where religion has a strong cultural hold on the society.
    So full of self-serving unsupported contentions ... and assumptions ... starting with the assumption that the amount of killing of unborn children is directly correlated with 'progressivism' ... and ending with the opinion that religion is 'non-progressive'.

    If that is your definition of 'progressivism' ... I'll 'pass' on it ... and call it, what it is, savagery, instead.


  • #281
    J C
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    FishOnABike wrote: »
    Rather than saying "it is banned, to varying degrees, by law in different countries." it would be more accurate to say that medicines, medical and surgical procedures are variously regulated by law in different countries.
    Whichever way you describe it ... it amounts to pretty much the same thing !!


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  • #283
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
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    ....... wrote:
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    You are heading down the wrong way. Turn back, before it is too late


  • #284
    Delirium
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    J C wrote: »
    It is both ethically and medically dangerous ... and should only be used in extremis.

    Provide evidence that the morning after pill is medically dangerous.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #285
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
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    Delirium wrote:
    Provide evidence that the morning after pill is medically dangerous.


    The morning after pill is strictly disallowed in God's eyes. It is, the killing of a conception. It doesn't matter if it happens at the moment of conception, a week after, a month after, or six months after. It is a heinous crime, which cries to the High Heavens for Vengence.


  • #286
    Delirium
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    n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »
    The morning after pill is strictly disallowed in God's eyes. It is, the killing of a conception. It doesn't matter if it happens at the moment of conception, a week after, a month after, or six months after. It is a heinous crime, which cries to the High Heavens for Vengence.

    The question was directed to JC.

    In addition, you answered with a religious answer to a question of medical safety of the morning after pill.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #287
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
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    So what?


  • #288
    Delirium
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    n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »
    So what?
    :confused:

    I'm just indicating you didn't address the question asked.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #289
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
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    Delirium wrote:
    I'm just indicating you didn't address the question asked.


    The medics can say what they like. I'm telling you God's position.


  • #290
    copeyhagen
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    gods a medic, dontyaknow


  • #291
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    copeyhagen wrote:
    gods a medic, dontyaknow


    That's true, the Divine Physician.


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  • #293
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
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    Of course you can. You can kill the unborn at any stage of development. However, you will have to answer for it, whether you know it or not. I'd advise the former, myself.


  • #294
    mloc123
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    n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »
    The medics can say what they like. I'm telling you God's position.

    Speaking for the man himself, assume you have him on Whatsapp?


  • #295
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
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    I know what God knows, because I have faith. You have no faith, and thus you know nothing.


  • #296
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
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    OSI wrote:
    Is there like a full list somewhere I can refer to? Like I don't want to get up in front of St. Peter and find out that I should have confessed that one rimjob or slip of the finger I forgot about. What if some sperm spills out after the whole thing is over? Is that one on me, or does she end up in damnation for eternity? Who knew sex was so difficult?


    Ah would you ever grow up, for God's sake!


  • #297
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
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    OSI wrote:
    If I quote some else's blasphemy, do I have to confess that as well?


    Again, you didn't hear me. Would you ever grow up, for God's sake, if for no one else's.


  • #298
    jjmcclure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »
    I know what God knows, because I have faith. You have no faith, and thus you know nothing.

    WOW!!! Owen........ Why are we here?? I mean in this thread listening to you :pac:

    Cant tell if Owen is wonder troll/comedian or serious!!


  • #299
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    jjmcclure wrote:
    Cant tell if Owen is wonder troll/comedian or serious!!

    jjmcclure wrote:
    WOW!!! Owen........ Why are we here?? I mean in this thread listening to you


    I am deadly serious. I cannot troll.


  • #300
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    I don't think Owney is a troll, I think he is an excellent parody account


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  • #301
    jjmcclure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »
    I am deadly serious. I cannot troll.

    Excellent.

    However Owen I'd suggest you bring yourself up to speed with some of the latest Catholic teaching. I understand now that masturbation is perfectly acceptable as long as it is not harming a relationship and the concepts of hell and the devil have been watered down somewhat.

    Catholic dogma about contraception sex, love etc. have condemned millions to death, misery, and torture at the hands of evil men and women who use this dogma to justify their actions.

    Far from the vision the Nazarene had for the world I believe...

    <snip> keep up the great parody posts

    I put 3 stars in front of the " keep up the great parody posts" to denote it as a footnote... How will I get into heaven now after offending the Christianity mods. I can feel the pointy pitch fork already!


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