Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

mullinr2 · 04-02-2018 07:05PM

FCIM wrote: »

Ah stop, a bit of patience is all that's needed. We had a long enough run and there's bound to be a couple of poor years but you never know when a decent team will crop up. Everyone wrote Cork off last year but apart from the semi final they were serious title contenders.

Patience my ass. The type of players at Kilkenny disposal are just not good enough

Dionysis · 04-02-2018 07:18PM

mullinr2 wrote: »

I'm going to make a prediction. Kk WILL NOT win another All Ireland for another 5 years. Richie Hogan and TJ will not win another All Ireland medal. Unless we have some serious talent coming through that 5 years could go to 10 years. Our current young players were not good enough to win an U21 All Ireland, they are certainly not good enough to win Senior.
We are f**ked

Ahhh now.
Coming through from minor we have:
We made the minor semi final in 13 and we’re beaten by Waterford; won the final in ‘14; lost in the semi to a square ball to a team who strolled the final in ‘15; were poor in ‘16; lost the semi in ‘17.

Coming through from U-21:
From a county board that says it’s good enough if we are competitive.
Hammered by wexford in a semi in 16 in Leinster; hammered by limerick in the final in ‘17; and you have to back to 08 for a win and ‘10
? to have even been in the final in which Clare beat us well. Minor winning team of ‘08, ‘10 and losing final team of ‘09 did nothing at U-21.

Tipp, Waterford, Galway, Cork, Wexford and Clare are all better than us and if Limerick have improved any from last year they are too. So we are between 7th and 8th best in Ireland.
As bad as the above record at U-21 is, the minor record is not great but not very poor. Abject, half hearted performances are all we are getting now from players. And it is not Cody’s fault. That man has proven what he can do if you give him at least half a hurler. As bad as it is, if he leaves it will be a multiple times worse.
Players, county board and clubs..... that’s where to look for answers. But you can’t say anything on here, people go crazy. Same last summer. You could see this coming back then. Our youngsters were not doing what other youngsters in different counties with far less talent or 7bderage success, were delivering.

FCIM · 04-02-2018 07:19PM

mullinr2 wrote: »

Patience my ass. The type of players at Kilkenny disposal are just not good enough

Sure we all know that but we've been long enough at it, we're due a few bad years. We're also not that far off the pace either. Look we won't be winning any All Irelands any time soon and we'll be doing well with this squad if we won a Leinster or two but we've played two competitve counties and lost out by a goal in both. We're not getting hockeyed and patience is needed whilst we build again.

Garyp88 · 04-02-2018 07:23PM

Let's be honest we have given youth a chance, been experimental and leaders not available or injured. We came up against 2 very strong teams and lost be 3. We gave Cork a good game until Buckley went off, today we gave clare an 11 point start. Given that we are in transition and been written off I'm not devastated by 2 results still early days yet and when the lads are back let's be judged then

Dionysis · 04-02-2018 07:26PM

The score in the game today flattered us, Clare were 10 points plus a better side. Cork had youth out as well. And their youth stood up, ie Sean O Donoghue at corner back and Tim O’Mahony at Centre back both yo7ngsters.

FCIM · 04-02-2018 07:27PM

Just looking at the match now, midfield was non-existant. Full back line stood off with the first goal.

FCIM · 04-02-2018 07:32PM

Dionysis wrote: »

Ahhh now.
Coming through from minor we have:
We made the minor semi final in 13 and we’re beaten by Waterford; won the final in ‘14; lost in the semi to a square ball to a team who strolled the final in ‘15; were poor in ‘16; lost the semi in ‘17.

Coming through from U-21:
From a county board that says it’s good enough if we are competitive.
Hammered by wexford in a semi in 16 in Leinster; hammered by limerick in the final in ‘17; and you have to back to 08 for a win and ‘10
? to have even been in the final in which Clare beat us well. Minor winning team of ‘08, ‘10 and losing final team of ‘09 did nothing at U-21.

Tipp, Waterford, Galway, Cork, Wexford and Clare are all better than us and if Limerick have improved any from last year they are too. So we are between 7th and 8th best in Ireland.
As bad as the above record at U-21 is, the minor record is not great but not very poor. Abject, half hearted performances are all we are getting now from players. And it is not Cody’s fault. That man has proven what he can do if you give him at least half a hurler. As bad as it is, if he leaves it will be a multiple times worse.
Players, county board and clubs..... that’s where to look for answers. But you can’t say anything on here, people go crazy. Same last summer. You could see this coming back then. Our youngsters were not doing what other youngsters in different counties with far less talent or 7bderage success, were delivering.

One thing that has to change is this nonsense of only Kieran's and CBS being on the developmental teams. It's an arrogance from those on the county board from those backgrounds and an inferiority complex from those not from there. Yes, Kieran's and more recently the CBS have fantastic hurling pedigrees but to even think there aren't decent hurlers who don't attend those schools is madness.

usualstripes · 04-02-2018 07:35PM

What a disastrous 20 mins in the 1st half. The free space given to Clare at times was criminal. We did however show serious determination for parts of the 2nd half.
Clare could have had a far bigger score but for some poor finishing.
Positives would have to be Leahy in the 2nd half and Enda Morrissey who did well enough when he came in.
Maher hurled well in patches.
Mossy keoghan i thought had a very good game.
Walter was our best forward. Took a few good scores but his hassling when not in possession was excellent.
Bill Sheehan for his 1st start also looked sharp.
We got opened up badly in the 1st half but tightened up in the second.
The one area we had serious trouble was Robert Lennon. His challenging for high balls was very poor and low balls worse. He is a good hurler but we are seriously exposed with him in defence. He did take a knock in the 1st half but he is not good enough here.
Once Conor o shea came in wing back and buckley went to centre this steadied the ship.
O shea is also caught for pace but has more hurling.
Ollie Walsh poor in midfield. Doesn't seem to have the appetite for the hard graft.
Paddy Deegan caught badly at times and we are in serious trouble if we continue with Joey and Deegan in the corners albeit Joey was better today.
At some stage we gave to start looking at what our championship team this year will be as I'm sure the whole reason for the big panel training is to find new players who can settle into a championship panel.
Just a couple of legitimate questions here.

What has Lester done to the management team? Any time he was brought on last year he changed the game. Needs to be utilised.
Why is Conor Delaney not being tried? His 2nd year on the panel and no real game time. Hurled full back for the u21s.
We have a good few out that still have to feature and over the next month they will need to start making progress.

Backs:

Paul Murphy. Return in May
Conor Delaney. ?????
Ryan Bergin. Worth a shot corner back.
Cleere. Injured. Don't know when his return is.

I would think a combination of the following for the rest of the league would be better than what we had today

Bergin
P Walsh
Delaney
Buckley
Cleere
Morrissey
O shea

Lester
Fogarty
Maher

Keoghan
Tj
Leahy
Richie Hogan
Walter
Sheehan
Kevin Kelly
Blanchfield
Alan Murphy
Bolger
Martin

Obviously Colin and Paul Murphy to come into the fold.
We just have to try to settle on players

We could land Conor to carry back wing back and leave Leahy in with Lester midfield.

dzer2 · 04-02-2018 07:52PM

Just watching the game there

First Kilkenny missed as much as Clare
on the ref Clare got some fairly easy frees and all 50/50 calls
Looks like there will be a bit of pace in the forwards on a dryer sod.

dubcat51 · 04-02-2018 08:03PM

Paul murphy colin tj richie ger awlyard 5 startres for me.then bolger kevin kelly must be in or around the team.full back and left corner need to be filled and then for me we will be very competitive.early days galway couldnt get out of 1b last year.

FCIM · 04-02-2018 08:16PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Paul murphy colin tj richie ger awlyard 5 startres for me.then bolger kevin kelly must be in or around the team.full back and left corner need to be filled and then for me we will be very competitive.early days galway couldnt get out of 1b last year.

And it's after starting a lot earlier this year. Wouldn't surprise me if Cody thinks the league starting early is going to throw a lot of teams in terms of their training and he will have them peaking in July and August whilst other teams are tired. Personally, I can't see any silverware this year but I certainly wouldn't put it past Cody to surprise everyone. In terms of 1B, I don't think it's a bad place to be for a team in transition. 1A is a killer with no soft matches, 1B has two to three in which you can throw out youngsters with no fear of them getting burnt. Whilst I wouldn't welcome relegation, I wouldn't be devastated either.

bamayang · 04-02-2018 08:19PM

Dionysis wrote: »

Tipp, Waterford, Galway, Cork, Wexford and Clare are all better than us and if Limerick have improved any from last year they are too. So we are between 7th and 8th best in Ireland.
As bad as the above record at U-21 is, the minor record is not great but not very poor. Abject, half hearted performances are all we are getting now from players. And it is not Cody’s fault. That man has proven what he can do if you give him at least half a hurler. As bad as it is, if he leaves it will be a multiple times worse.

If the bolded bit above is referring to the senior team, I couldnt disagree more. We are a good bit off the top 4 or 5 but one thing I have seen against Wex, Cork and Clare is a phenomenal never say die attitude. The drive and determination shown in the last 20 minutes of each of the last 3 games has been fantastic. Joey Holden diving in to block a lad down today with his hurl in one hand the helmet in the other typified this.
We will almost certainly not be hurling into August, but we wont go down without fighting.

brookville · 04-02-2018 08:42PM

any team in the top division minus lads like Murphy,colin,fogarty,hogan,tj are going to find the going very tough,throw in lads like kevin kelly and ger aylward who have experience.
Leahy looks like his going to be a very good hurler but mossy has really impressed me that score he got today was excellent.
I don't know why lester isn't getting a run but maybe he knows what his going to get with lester and wants to try others.
We can't fault the lads for effort but we struggled in the air to win ball wally the exception.
I would of liked to have seen delaney today but I thought joey had a decent game overall I wouldn't be too disappointed

kk.man · 04-02-2018 09:15PM

With all the hurling due to be played this year I think Cody is in a better place to peak the team when it matters.
I am worried after two losses though it puts us on the back foot with serious teams left to play.

caddy16 · 04-02-2018 09:56PM

dzer2 wrote: »

Just watching the game there

First Kilkenny missed as much as Clare
on the ref Clare got some fairly easy frees and all 50/50 calls
Looks like there will be a bit of pace in the forwards on a dryer sod.

If that was your view of the ref you were watching a different match to me

dubcat51 · 04-02-2018 09:57PM

Look the league for us is all about finding players.the championship format this year means nearly every team will have to rotate.waterford clearly dont care.all teams bar wexford for me are looking at the summer.lets see when the championship starts what players we have found and how were fixed.now is not the time for making judgements good or bad

Cornerback1 · 04-02-2018 10:00PM

Getting relegated would not be a bad thing. I think the buzz word is 'in transition'. Hopefully Paul Murphy will be back in at corner back if he has the work put in. The break would be good for him.

1-17 wasn't bad scoring considering the very poor start. Like the Cork game, we were chasing the game very early. Teams seem to blitz us then we get going. Really great heart in the 2nd half. If Murphy's chance had gone over with 3mins left, it would have been a 2pt game and who know. Scruff let in a goal but made a super stop before that. I thought the workrate and hassling was good but the decision making will hopefully come with experience.

The good thing is lads are getting good game time and the panel is big enough with Colin, Richie and T.J. to come in up front. Like a lot, disappointed Lester wasn't introduced today. It was a game made for him.

I think we, as supporters, realise where we are at with this panel but some lads are still young and these games will stand to them. We have been spoilt this past 15 years! We need to stick by these young lads and give them support. Criticism is of no benefit to anyone so lets get behind them, encourage and support them. We'll need all of the panel before the year is out.

Pigeon Chaser · 04-02-2018 10:04PM

Hard luck to Ballyragget. Great performance against s very good team. Would have won had they converted their frees.

Seoirse Kenny was absolutely sublime and Cody should give him the #11 shirt next time out.

brookville · 04-02-2018 11:24PM

Pigeon Chaser wrote: »

Hard luck to Ballyragget. Great performance against s very good team. Would have won had they converted their frees.

Seoirse Kenny was absolutely sublime and Cody should give him the #11 shirt next time out.

think Kenny is in with the county he might get a run after today.
Hopefully we'll see few changes in defence for the next day a defeat next time out could send us down as it looks like us or Waterford will go down.
Anyone know was the panel cut?I was surprised to see no men from vegas making the match day squad

droppingball · 04-02-2018 11:55PM

Keoghan hurled well when he came on, two good scores and he levelled David Fitzgerald who is a big man with a cracking shoulder.

Richie Leahy came into the game well and I haven't seen anything like Joey going for that ball with helmet in his hand and diving to attempt the block, it was a Tommy walsh effort.

Workrate and the desire is back just need to keep building and hope to find a bit more quality. Happy we are trying lads, hope he keeps trying a few more and we shouldn't worry about relegation as it is not the the end of the world anymore.

Thought Clare were fairly poor considering the full strength team they named to be honest , awful wides and went 17 minutes without scoring until that score in last minute. Tony kelly for all his ability just floats around on the periphery of games. Like the look of David Reidy who is a handful along with Conlon. Podge has lost a yard of pace i'd say. For a team years ahead of us in terms of development they should have beat us out the gate.

Lester Ryan must be very frustrated that he hasn't been brought on in either game so far, bit harsh that he was overlooked twice. Must be hard to keep going when he never seems to have the managers trust.

What ballyragget lads are on the panel? And also is Billy Ryan on the panel?

brookville · 05-02-2018 12:22AM

Last I heard sean morrissey and billy ryan were doing exams.I think there was 4 or 5 lads from bragget called in Michael brennan,Steve stanton,kenny and obviously Kelly.
The Lester thing seems to be a mystery a bit like delaney who seems to be way down the pecking line.
Cody seems set on the fb line and in fairness they got on top in the second half.we struggled in the other 4 lines but this is a great exposure lyng and mossy improved things as did blanchfield.mossy looks to the pick of them very strong when you consider he only did his leaving last year.

Cornerback1 · 05-02-2018 01:18AM

Fitzgibbon quarter finals on this week, semi-finals on the following week. Final the following week. Not long to all teams have their college lads back.

The 2 week break will do us no harm at this stage of the season. Gives the Ballyragget lads time to get back to the county setup after their disappointment.

shamco · 05-02-2018 09:27AM

As an aside its disgraceful having the clampers out in force in the estates near Nowlan Park. FFS its in Feb. Rip off KK

PeterCasey · 05-02-2018 09:48AM

shamco wrote: »

As an aside its disgraceful having the clampers out in force in the estates near Nowlan Park. FFS its in Feb. Rip off KK

Obviously people didn't read the signs that it is a privately managed estate.

usualstripes · 05-02-2018 09:57AM

shamco wrote: »

As an aside its disgraceful having the clampers out in force in the estates near Nowlan Park. FFS its in Feb. Rip off KK

You have to be careful alright. Got caught a few years ago.
No right but they are housing estates.

Cornerback1 · 05-02-2018 10:02AM

You'd need Gerry Kelly with you!

shamco · 05-02-2018 10:12AM

Gerry Kelly indeed but they obviously targetted the match

Village87 · 05-02-2018 10:20AM

Dionysis wrote: »

The score in the game today flattered us, Clare were 10 points plus a better side. Cork had youth out as well. And their youth stood up, ie Sean O Donoghue at corner back and Tim O’Mahony at Centre back both yo7ngsters.

The scoreline did flatter Kilkenny in the end. Clare hit an awful amount of wides in the second half. They had the beating of Kilkennys full back line but kept on shooting from distance rather than playing the full forward line. Im not sure are Clare up to much either. I have to agree with what Ger Loughnane said until im convinced otherwise. A lof of their players go out of the game.

Kilkenny were poor in the first half put up a fight in the second half but always looked like Clare had the 2 points in the bag, Alan Murphy missed a 65 to put a point in it, that was was close as Kilkenny got.

Paddy Deegan got skinned for the goal, once turned he was out of the game. He is having a tough spell of it lately,he also played a few awful balls out of the backs that were lucky Clare didn't get goals from. Joe Lyng very poor, his hurling is way behind. Robert Lennon very poor also, getting a lot of chances to stake his place but is not taking them. Buckley had a poor game yesterday, finds it hard to clear the ball in tight spaces. Richie Reid just doesn't like the hard work or the hard ball. Ollie Walsh very poor also, not taking his chances either,Alan Murphy was very poor.

Enda Morrissey is surely worth his start, played well when brought on.
Walter Walsh played well again
Richie Leahy had a very good game and brought plenty of fight as did John Donnelly.
Bill Sheehan will be very good with a year or 2 training and development behind him, as will Mossy Keoghan who played excellent when brought on.

Few positives in the players brought on definitely improved Kilkenny.

A lot of people saying Kilkenny were missing 5 certain starters, not as easy as that, not all certain starters in my eyes and Brian Cody doesnt work like that.

3 of them have been poor the last 2 years Fogarty and Paul Murphy especially while TJ has been well below his best.

Hopefully Richie can find his form after his back problems and poor form last year.

Colin not back until Mid May and will need at least 3/4 weeks hurling to get himself up to championship level as his hurling sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.

PeterCasey · 05-02-2018 10:25AM

That goes on in there on a daily bases the postman nearly leaves his bicycle at Nowlan park when he is delivering the post there.

Twiceasnice97 · 05-02-2018 12:39PM

The thing about it being clares first 15 is overplayed.

Cian Dillon , Oisin O Brien , Jamie Shanahan and Conor Mcgrath all started championship matchs last year and didn't figure yesterday
Aaron Cunningham is abroad at the moment as well so that might change. We have some injurys to fringe players that is limiting selection at the moment
as for the lad giving out about the refereeing earlier you would wonder how many frees ye want.
we got 4 points from frees in total and missed two more of those frees only 3 of them were within 60 yards of clares goals

Kilkenny scored 12 points from placed balls ten of them from frees and missed a couple of more plus the goal came from a free as well.

The ref also would have been within his rights to have shown a red for the frontal charge on o connor which came from a long way out so at least one 50 50 went kilkennys way

Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

Comments

Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*