Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

Village87

Twiceasnice97 wrote: »

The thing about it being clares first 15 is overplayed.

Cian Dillon , Oisin O Brien , Jamie Shanahan and Conor Mcgrath all started championship matchs last year and didn't figure yesterday
Aaron Cunningham is abroad at the moment as well so that might change. We have some injurys to fringe players that is limiting selection at the moment
as for the lad giving out about the refereeing earlier you would wonder how many frees ye want.
we got 4 points from frees in total and missed two more of those frees only 3 of them were within 60 yards of clares goals

Kilkenny scored 12 points from placed balls ten of them from frees and missed a couple of more plus the goal came from a free as well.

The ref also would have been within his rights to have shown a red for the frontal charge on o connor which came from a long way out so at least one 50 50 went kilkennys way

I thought the ref played Kilkenny back into the game at the end of the first half to be honest. What was the free awared for that Eoin Murphy hit the long ball in that we got a goal from ?

kilkennyboy

I thought the fight shown was a positive take Murphy mistake for the goal and their would be very little in it .i would fancy us against waterford. Let the younger lads at it .would love c Delaney and j walsh thrown in and give them a few games. talk of lads to Come back will fix nothing new team new leaders .wally working very hard and showing example.

Twiceasnice97

Village87 wrote: »

I thought the ref played Kilkenny back into the game at the end of the first half to be honest. What was the free awared for that Eoin Murphy hit the long ball in that we got a goal from ?

I wouldn't have an issue with the ref awarding frees if we were getting the same ones at the other end to be honest.

It`s a big issue for clare. we owned the ball against cork in the munster league yet got two frees in the cork half while cork were awarded about ten scoreable frees in our half

a similar pattern pertained against tipp and again Sunday we were heavily penalized
leaving aside county bias etc its hard to believe that the clare backs would be four times more likely to hold the kilkenny forwards who are in general not overly quick than players marking lads like o donnell reidy podge and tony Kelly with the ability they have to turn and go

Kilkenny showed serious drive and effort in the second half but you would wonder will the backs be able to keep the score down on a dry field with a fast ball.

Topcat32

Village87 wrote: »

The scoreline did flatter Kilkenny in the end. Clare hit an awful amount of wides in the second half. They had the beating of Kilkennys full back line but kept on shooting from distance rather than playing the full forward line. Im not sure are Clare up to much either. I have to agree with what Ger Loughnane said until im convinced otherwise. A lof of their players go out of the game.

Kilkenny were poor in the first half put up a fight in the second half but always looked like Clare had the 2 points in the bag, Alan Murphy missed a 65 to put a point in it, that was was close as Kilkenny got.

Paddy Deegan got skinned for the goal, once turned he was out of the game. He is having a tough spell of it lately,he also played a few awful balls out of the backs that were lucky Clare didn't get goals from. Joe Lyng very poor, his hurling is way behind. Robert Lennon very poor also, getting a lot of chances to stake his place but is not taking them. Buckley had a poor game yesterday, finds it hard to clear the ball in tight spaces. Richie Reid just doesn't like the hard work or the hard ball. Ollie Walsh very poor also, not taking his chances either,Alan Murphy was very poor.

Enda Morrissey is surely worth his start, played well when brought on.
Walter Walsh played well again
Richie Leahy had a very good game and brought plenty of fight as did John Donnelly.
Bill Sheehan will be very good with a year or 2 training and development behind him, as will Mossy Keoghan who played excellent when brought on.

Few positives in the players brought on definitely improved Kilkenny.

A lot of people saying Kilkenny were missing 5 certain starters, not as easy as that, not all certain starters in my eyes and Brian Cody doesnt work like that.

3 of them have been poor the last 2 years Fogarty and Paul Murphy especially while TJ has been well below his best.

Hopefully Richie can find his form after his back problems and poor form last year.

Colin not back until Mid May and will need at least 3/4 weeks hurling to get himself up to championship level as his hurling sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.

If fit the 5 are definite starters, are you seriously suggesting Reid would lose his place on form over the last two years. Can't see all 5 of them being fit though at any one time giving the army commitments for the two with the least injury problems.

brookville

Cody was saying after the match yesterday that tj and fogarty should both be back for 2 weeks time so tj would be a big addition to wally up front who's after having two good matches.ger aylward is also working very hard he said and hogan is making progress with his injury but won't see him anytime soon

minty81

Pigeon Chaser wrote: »

Hard luck to Ballyragget. Great performance against s very good team. Would have won had they converted their frees.

Seoirse Kenny was absolutely sublime and Cody should give him the #11 shirt next time out.

I believe Kenny declined the invite to join the set up late last year

v3ttel

I thought that the second half was really positive. We saw real drive, effort and determination when the game was on the line. It was definitely something to build on.

Keoghan & Leahy really did well in the second half. Sheehan has a lot of talent and worked hard. Massive to see 3 lads put their hands up like that and really play well. I thought Conor O'Shea did very well when he came on - surprised to see people writing him off, he's a very capable hurler.

I think we have a huge group of lads that are talented but are all near the same level and need to step up to grab the opportunity. There were a lot of lads yesterday not even named on the panel who could potentially be starters (beyond the obvious).

The full back line needs serious surgery though. I hope Bergin, Doheny, Alyward are all given a chance. I like Jason Cleere too, he could definitely come into contention when he recovers.

The answer is not Joey Holden & Paddy Deegan as corner backs, and hopefully that's starting to look obvious. Padraig Walsh is a fantastic hurler, but you lose too much having him back there.

brookville

Lennon has being exposed more than once at this level,it's a shame cleere is injured.Delaney is an option on the hb line,is it college commitment that's holding him back?in thought richie reid would of being tried in the half back line but he has being good apart from yesterday up front.
Walsh isn't going to be moved at this stage his growing into the number 3 jersey but I would of chanced tom aylward for a match at 3 with delaney corner back and they'd have a solid hb line in front of them with Walsh,buckley and richie reid. It wouldn't of being any worse than yesterdays half back line.

Pigeon Chaser

minty81 wrote: »

I believe Kenny declined the invite to join the set up late last year

That's a pity. We need another good ball winner.

.. and about 3 new backs 😂

The Premier Man

Twiceasnice97 wrote:

I wouldn't have an issue with the ref awarding frees if we were getting the same ones at the other end to be honest.

Twiceasnice97 wrote:

It`s a big issue for clare. we owned the ball against cork in the munster league yet got two frees in the cork half while cork were awarded about ten scoreable frees in our half

Twiceasnice97 wrote:

a similar pattern pertained against tipp and again Sunday we were heavily penalized leaving aside county bias etc its hard to believe that the clare backs would be four times more likely to hold the kilkenny forwards who are in general not overly quick than players marking lads like o donnell reidy podge and tony Kelly with the ability they have to turn and go

This kind of nonsense really annoys me and I'm a Tipp man before you say anything. Where in the rule book does it state that team's should be awarded close to equal the amount of frees?? You have pointed out 3 examples where you believe Clare were wronged this year already. Was it the same ref each time? No.. was it the same opposition? No.. In these 3 matches was there anything connected? Yes, Clare were awarded less frees each time, so "county bias aside" as you said yourself, it's obvious Clare are the problem. Your backs foul far too much (Jack browne) being a prime example and maybe your attacking players just aren't able to play for frees as well as other county's (it happens as much as we don't want to admit it). Shane o'donnell is one exception though who gets his fair share, his pace, ducking into tackles and throwing the arms in the air work well together.

v3ttel

The Premier Man wrote: »

This kind of nonsense really annoys me and I'm a Tipp man before you say anything. Where in the rule book does it state that team's should be awarded close to equal the amount of frees?? You have pointed out 3 examples where you believe Clare were wronged this year already. Was it the same ref each time? No.. was it the same opposition? No.. In these 3 matches was there anything connected? Yes, Clare were awarded less frees each time, so "county bias aside" as you said yourself, it's obvious Clare are the problem. Your backs foul far too much (Jack browne) being a prime example and maybe your attacking players just aren't able to play for frees as well as other county's (it happens as much as we don't want to admit it). Shane o'donnell is one exception though who gets his fair share, his pace, ducking into tackles and throwing the arms in the air work well together.

No bias for or against Clare, but I've noticed that a lot about O'Donnell too. The majority of the times he goes down, his hands are thrown out in front of him to emphasize the fall so he lands flat with arms outstretched. I find that really annoying as it's so unnatural. It's almost like he's trying to say "look at what he did ref". I hope the refs cop onto it soon.

Nedflanders02

v3ttel wrote: »

I thought that the second half was really positive. We saw real drive, effort and determination when the game was on the line. It was definitely something to build on.

Keoghan & Leahy really did well in the second half. Sheehan has a lot of talent and worked hard. Massive to see 3 lads put their hands up like that and really play well. I thought Conor O'Shea did very well when he came on - surprised to see people writing him off, he's a very capable hurler.

I think we have a huge group of lads that are talented but are all near the same level and need to step up to grab the opportunity. There were a lot of lads yesterday not even named on the panel who could potentially be starters (beyond the obvious).

The full back line needs serious surgery though. I hope Bergin, Doheny, Alyward are all given a chance. I like Jason Cleere too, he could definitely come into contention when he recovers.

The answer is not Joey Holden & Paddy Deegan as corner backs, and hopefully that's starting to look obvious. Padraig Walsh is a fantastic hurler, but you lose too much having him back there.

I think the problem with O’Shea isn’t a lack of hurling it’s that he is very slow and once turned he’s in a lot of trouble. You’re right though when he came in yesterday it improved things a lot and in fairness to him he doesn’t lack for effort and fight.

I’d disagree with you over Joey however, I think at the minute he’s our best option at corner back, against both Wexford and Clare he’s hurled very well albeit he had a tough night against Cork but on the whole I think he’s been one of our better players this year. As you say it’s a pitty the likes of Tom Alwyard, Bergin or Delaney haven’t gotten a run hopefully in the next few games some of them might get some game time.

v3ttel

Nedflanders02 wrote: »

I think the problem with O’Shea isn’t a lack of hurling it’s that he is very slow and once turned he’s in a lot of trouble. You’re right though when he came in yesterday it improved things a lot and in fairness to him he doesn’t lack for effort and fight.

I’d disagree with you over Joey however, I think at the minute he’s our best option at corner back, against both Wexford and Clare he’s hurled very well albeit he had a tough night against Cork but on the whole I think he’s been one of our better players this year. As you say it’s a pitty the likes of Tom Alwyard, Bergin or Delaney haven’t gotten a run hopefully in the next few games some of them might get some game time.

On the concerns with O'Shea, you could have said that about a lot of players. Jackie never had pace but yet was an important part of many All-Ireland wins for us. I think he deserve's a chance and could yet be good enough.

On Joey, I thought our full back line was in all sorts of trouble in both league games so far. Granted, in the second half of both games, they improved. I still think we need a better option come championship. I think the 3 lads you mention should be given a run and are younger, plus potentially better. You know what you are getting with Joey at this stage. He's unlikely to improve and I could see him being targeted in the championship. I don't know if he could hold a Bubbles, or a Conor Whelan, etc. Joey has been better than Paddy Deegan so far (but he's still young)

brookville

We always used our half back line as spring board but we're chopping and changing trying to get the balance right at the moment.walsh and buckley are the two best half backs we have and the full back line hasn't changed in the last 3 matches he seems set on that line.
Does anyone know what size the panel is at the moment or was it cut after the walsh cup?

Village87

v3ttel wrote: »

On the concerns with O'Shea, you could have said that about a lot of players. Jackie never had pace but yet was an important part of many All-Ireland wins for us. I think he deserve's a chance and could yet be good enough.

On Joey, I thought our full back line was in all sorts of trouble in both league games so far. Granted, in the second half of both games, they improved. I still think we need a better option come championship. I think the 3 lads you mention should be given a run and are younger, plus potentially better. You know what you are getting with Joey at this stage. He's unlikely to improve and I could see him being targeted in the championship. I don't know if he could hold a Bubbles, or a Conor Whelan, etc. Joey has been better than Paddy Deegan so far (but he's still young)

I was in Cork last week and in the Park Sunday and for the Walsh Cup, Cork should have scored 3-27-28 easily Clare scored 2-18 and drove roughly 20 wides. Wexford had half a team out and hit loads of wides near the end of normal time and extra time and still scored 1-24 in freezing conditions on a wet pitch in Januray,playing with a sweeper . Kilkenny CANNOT have a back line with Deegan, Holden & O,Shea,they would get ripped apart in the summer on drying ground. Shane Kingston who is probably not renown for his speed ran at O'Shea during the second half of the Cork match, around the 40 and had nearly 15 yards on him by the time he reached the 14, i think Buckley or Walsh got to him. Kilkenny might get away with one of them

Village87

brookville wrote: »

We always used our half back line as spring board but we're chopping and changing trying to get the balance right at the moment.walsh and buckley are the two best half backs we have and the full back line hasn't changed in the last 3 matches he seems set on that line.
Does anyone know what size the panel is at the moment or was it cut after the walsh cup?

Still carrying 55-60 lads since the last week in October. Kilkenny have as much work done as any county at this stage

Cornerback1

It's all about the panel this year lads - game after game come the summer time. Injuries and fatigue will take its toll.

I wonder are teams allowed, by the GAA, a bigger panel this year to compensate for the amount of games?

mrbango

What are predictions for 2018 club championships? Here is mine;

Senior winners; carrickshock
Relegated; Danesfort

Intermediate winners; St.Martins
Relegated; Callan

Junior winners; Conahy Shamrocks

Village87

mrbango wrote: »

What are predictions for 2018 club championships? Here is mine;

Senior winners; carrickshock
Relegated; Danesfort

Intermediate winners; St.Martins
Relegated; Callan

Junior winners; Conahy Shamrocks

County Board have not even fixed club fixtures yet, when is the first round scheduled to take place ?

jeff bingham

Village87 wrote:

County Board have not even fixed club fixtures yet, when is the first round scheduled to take place ?

Dates not set but 1st round in league is 2nd weekend in April break for a week then 2 more rounds over next 2 weekends. That 3rd round wasn't set yet could potentially be mid august or the week before the 4th round which is mid sept. So a huge break from April until the next round

Village87

jeff bingham wrote: »

Dates not set but 1st round in league is 2nd weekend in April break for a week then 2 more rounds over next 2 weekends. That 3rd round wasn't set yet could potentially be mid august or the week before the 4th round which is mid sept. So a huge break from April until the next round

Ok thank you Jeff, so first round is April 7th/8th?

you say "break for a week then 2 more rounds over next 2 weekends" is that round 2 and 3 or round 2 played over the 2 weekends 21st/22nd and 28th/29th?

jeff bingham

As far as I know the 1st round is 7th/8th then a week off. 2nd round is 21st/22nd. 3rd round could be week after on 28/29th but could also be in august or September. Prob depends on kk fixtures

So week 3 is not set in stone yet

mrbango

Village87 wrote:

County Board have not even fixed club fixtures yet, when is the first round scheduled to take place ?

First round is 1st/2nd of April and second round 14th/15th. The remaining rounds are pending how Kilkenny go. Possibility of no games from April to September for club hurlers which seems mad.

JJs Left Hand

Sure who wants to play hurling in the summer when you can play it in the cold and wet in Autumn

robwen

mrbango wrote: »

What are predictions for 2018 club championships? Here is mine;

Senior winners; carrickshock
Relegated; Danesfort

Intermediate winners; St.Martins
Relegated; Callan

Junior winners; Conahy Shamrocks

Bit random with carrickshock, they were well beaten last year in replay by village, have they got some new players in or is the new trainer having a big impact, is Richie Power available this year they fell apart when he went off injured in the village game??
Mullinavat wouldn't be a bad bet could have beaten dicksboro last year they have some nice hurlers & a good trainer there, lot could depend on John Walsh for them heard he announced to the dressing room after the boro defeat last year that he was giving up hurling to play soccer, but he's involved with Kilkenny so he must not have followed through on that

mrbango

robwen wrote:

Bit random with carrickshock, they were well beaten last year in replay by village, have they got some new players in or is the new trainer having a big impact, is Richie Power available this year they fell apart when he went off injured in the village game?? Mullinavat wouldn't be a bad bet could have beaten dicksboro last year they have some nice hurlers & a good trainer there, lot could depend on John Walsh for them heard he announced to the dressing room after the boro defeat last year that he was giving up hurling to play soccer, but he's involved with Kilkenny so he must not have followed through on that

Ok. They lost to the village by 3 points in what I think was the best game of the championship. They actually bet Vegas in the group stage so how is it any more random than your pick? I expect john power to dominate the club scene this year. Add to that a back bone of Dalton Martins tennyson and rice and Kevin Farrell they will take beating. Manager is not that important , sure didn't balyhale win loads with a cowboy at the helm. Talent on the pitch will be the difference.

P.s I havent seen much of john walsh or mullinavat but from what I've seen he is way over rated on boards. Pacy and good finished but not good enough for intercounty.

mrbango

robwen wrote:

Bit random with carrickshock, they were well beaten last year in replay by village, have they got some new players in or is the new trainer having a big impact, is Richie Power available this year they fell apart when he went off injured in the village game?? Mullinavat wouldn't be a bad bet could have beaten dicksboro last year they have some nice hurlers & a good trainer there, lot could depend on John Walsh for them heard he announced to the dressing room after the boro defeat last year that he was giving up hurling to play soccer, but he's involved with Kilkenny so he must not have followed through on that

Ok. They lost to the village by 3 points in what I think was the best game of the championship. They actually bet Vegas in the group stage so how is it any more random than your pick? I expect john power to dominate the club scene this year. Add to that a back bone of Dalton Martins tennyson and rice and Kevin Farrell they will take beating. Manager is not that important , sure didn't balyhale win loads with a cowboy at the helm. Talent on the pitch will be the difference.

P.s I havent seen much of john walsh or mullinavat but from what I've seen he is way over rated on boards. Pacy and good finished but not good enough for intercounty.

Village87

mrbango wrote: »

Ok. They lost to the village by 3 points in what I think was the best game of the championship. They actually bet Vegas in the group stage so how is it any more random than your pick? I expect john power to dominate the club scene this year. Add to that a back bone of Dalton Martins tennyson and rice and Kevin Farrell they will take beating. Manager is not that important , sure didn't balyhale win loads with a cowboy at the helm. Talent on the pitch will be the difference.

P.s I havent seen much of john walsh or mullinavat but from what I've seen he is way over rated on boards. Pacy and good finished but not good enough for intercounty.

Carrickshock are bet, could get relegated this year, they had there chance last year. Team will decline now that 10+ lads p;laying are in their 30s

mrbango

Village87 wrote:

Carrickshock are bet, could get relegated this year, they had there chance last year. Team will decline now that 10+ lads p;laying are in their 30s

So who will win it?

JJs Left Hand

Boro will win it again. Or they should at least.

If Shocks win it's a sad indictment of Kilkenny hurling.