Clare GAA discussion thread

LuckyGent88 · 29-01-2018 10:09PM

Wasn’t around to see the match yesterday. It’s a good win to start off with. Try and cement the place in the top division and then experiment a little.
The different opinions on SOD will always be in place. He is a great team player and brings so many of his teammates into play as he always draws two defenders.

Great article on Conor Ryan and sad to see him go. He was exactly the size of player we needed in that position.

Just seen another article about Darach Honan where the county board wouldn’t contribute anything to his surgeries or consultations for his hip problems.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/darach-honan-clare-hip-operation-382211

Clareman · 29-01-2018 10:44PM

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Just seen another article about Darach Honan where the county board wouldn’t contribute anything to his surgeries or consultations for his hip problems.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/darach-honan-clare-hip-operation-382211

Not meaning to sound callous, but besides being nice why would they? There's players insurance that they would have covered for that, they aren't his employer or going to supply medical insurance for him.

Tell me how · 29-01-2018 11:20PM

Clareman wrote: »

Not meaning to sound callous, but besides being nice why would they? There's players insurance that they would have covered for that, they aren't his employer or going to supply medical insurance for him.

Surely there is a scheme which covers players though, whether that be club insurance or county (which imo it should be).

My last company specifically had in it's sick policy that time lost due to injuries sustained plying sport were not covered on the company sick policy. They expected the club insurance to cover that.

If he was commenting on this, it must be that there was an issue with the insurance paying out meaning that he ultimately was out of pocket. Without knowing the sums involved, that hardly seems fair.

I'm sure most players would tolerate losing small sums for physio appointments and the like from time to time but if it was significant, that's a different story.

Clareman · 29-01-2018 11:26PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Surely there is a scheme which covers players though, whether that be club insurance or county (which imo it should be).

My last company specifically had in it's sick policy that time lost due to injuries sustained plying sport were not covered on the company sick policy. They expected the club insurance to cover that.

If he was commenting on this, it must be that there was an issue with the insurance paying out meaning that he ultimately was out of pocket. Without knowing the sums involved, that hardly seems fair.

I'm sure most players would tolerate losing small sums for physio appointments and the like from time to time but if it was significant, that's a different story.

Reading the article he continued playing for his club and then needed an operation, the county board pretty much told him he was a club player now. My understanding is that injuries that are caused while playing (training or matches) will be solved but surgeries which aren't considered as emergencies are part of the normal medical system.

Don't get me wrong I feel sorry for him and I'm sure that some of his injuries are a result of playing for Clare but like no-one forced him not to have medical insurance no-one forced him to play

Claregaafan18 · 02-02-2018 01:45PM

Ger Loughnane once again making the headlines in the Star newspaper. He states that Clare hurling is like "communism behind the Iron Curtain" with Ger very critical of Tony Kelly's and Colm Galvin's workrate, for example and their style of play also being subject to Ger's ire.

What do people think of Loughnane's latest comments? I'll be very interested into what other posters think.

danganabu · 02-02-2018 02:03PM

Claregaafan18 wrote: »

Ger Loughnane once again making the headlines in the Star newspaper. He states that Clare hurling is like "communism behind the Iron Curtain" with Ger very critical of Tony Kelly's and Colm Galvin's workrate, for example and their style of play also being subject to Ger's ire.

What do people think of Loughnane's latest comments? I'll be very interested into what other posters think.

I should of stoped reading at ''Ger Loughnane'' but when I got to ''the Star'' that was the final straw

Loughnane is like a little more articulate version of Babs, not much, but a little! He spent years launching his verbal diarrohea at Tipp, then turned his attention to Galway so now its back to his own crowd. He is full of sh*te and was shown up for that in his managerial exploits post 97 as well.

He happened to come into the Clare job when they possessed probably one of most well balanced defensive units ever in the game, at least 5 of them were once in a generation types and he very cleverly and successfully convinced them that the whole country was laughing at them and he created this massive chip on their shoulder, siege mentality type group feeling( this can still be seen in some of that teams managerial styles today).

Don't get me wrong he won two AI's with pretty much one top forward, two at a very big stretch which was a fabolous achievement but they didnt exactly play swashbuckling hurling themselves so the Iron Curtain analogy is a little ironic at best.

Tony Kelly and Colm Galvin, the former in particuar, are simply exhausted and should never have been near the league panel, there are absolutely no pluses to them been involved in league games in January and February.

windy shepard henderson · 02-02-2018 06:45PM

Claregaafan18 wrote: »

Ger Loughnane once again making the headlines in the Star newspaper. He states that Clare hurling is like "communism behind the Iron Curtain" with Ger very critical of Tony Kelly's and Colm Galvin's workrate, for example and their style of play also being subject to Ger's ire.

What do people think of Loughnane's latest comments? I'll be very interested into what other posters think.

agree with an awfull lot of it , the only problem i would have with is is he is not given credit to the new management for changing the system ( what they are trying to do at the moment )

but he is bang on about kelly maybe not so much galvin , podge falls into the kelly bracket as dose john conlon , i still think they are lucky they never played under cody , you cant just live off something you done 4 or 5 years ago

under cody they would have had long stints on the bench and be made work for there place in the team rather then being picked regardless of there performances

its rare if ever that i agree with loughnane but i am addiment he is right about this

windy shepard henderson · 02-02-2018 06:55PM

danganabu wrote: »

I should of stoped reading at ''Ger Loughnane'' but when I got to ''the Star'' that was the final straw

Loughnane is like a little more articulate version of Babs, not much, but a little! He spent years launching his verbal diarrohea at Tipp, then turned his attention to Galway so now its back to his own crowd. He is full of sh*te and was shown up for that in his managerial exploits post 97 as well.

He happened to come into the Clare job when they possessed probably one of most well balanced defensive units ever in the game, at least 5 of them were once in a generation types and he very cleverly and successfully convinced them that the whole country was laughing at them and he created this massive chip on their shoulder, siege mentality type group feeling( this can still be seen in some of that teams managerial styles today).

Don't get me wrong he won two AI's with pretty much one top forward, two at a very big stretch which was a fabolous achievement but they didnt exactly play swashbuckling hurling themselves so the Iron Curtain analogy is a little ironic at best.

Tony Kelly and Colm Galvin, the former in particuar, are simply exhausted and should never have been near the league panel, there are absolutely no pluses to them been involved in league games in January and February.

in terms of championship performer's he is right to call out the bigger name players , last year our best players were jamie shannahan , peter duggan , jason mccarthy , david mac and david fitzgerld ( going on league and championship ) before kelly ,conlon ,galvin podge ect could be mentioned

also cathal macinerney should be given a mention for his performances when he was given a chance , problem they made give way to the bigger named players regardless of how they are preforming

i cant stand loughnane and bypass his page in the star like the plague but he is right about this in fairness

would love to see a cody esc style management where players are not flogged for bad results but just dropped and make work harder for there place

peter duggan was the best player on the panal last year and was on the verge of quitting intercounty hurling altogether after the limerick game as he was not getting enough game time , and in truth making way for a bigger named player

Boots234 · 02-02-2018 10:38PM

Any team named yet for the Kilkenny game? Will Peter Duggan be back on frees on Sunday? He scored 2-10 for LIT during the week

windy shepard henderson · 03-02-2018 12:37AM

Boots234 wrote: »

Any team named yet for the Kilkenny game? Will Peter Duggan be back on frees on Sunday? He scored 2-10 for LIT during the week

judging on last week i expect the management to go strong with the line up again this week and pick as many first teamers as possible in order to avoid a relegation playoff , not exactly in favor of this but it would appear its what they are trying to do , both tipp and kilkenny are very much at a experimental stage at the moment and management are trying to take advantage of this

the team wont be announced until 5 o'clock tomorrow something to do with the club clare thing having first preference , but in regards duggen , he is probably our best player on the panel but i wouldn't hold my breath on the chance of him taking frees , reidy scored 1-08 from frees last week with only one wide and 0-6 scored from placed balls i expect him to get the nod again , duggan missed one free last week and was taken off them

i am completely baffled by the managements treatment of duggen to be honest

Clareman · 03-02-2018 09:17AM

I get the impression that management aren't sure if Duggan is going to be a starter so they don't want to leave the frees with him in case he's not. Free taking and puck outs are going to need sorting in the next few weeks, we have to have a free taker who's scoring 90% of frees and a puck out strategy to secure more than 50% of our own puck out.

windy shepard henderson · 03-02-2018 06:25PM

Clareman wrote: »

I get the impression that management aren't sure if Duggan is going to be a starter so they don't want to leave the frees with him in case he's not. Free taking and puck outs are going to need sorting in the next few weeks, we have to have a free taker who's scoring 90% of frees and a puck out strategy to secure more than 50% of our own puck out.

I get the same impression . And if they cant decide wether he is a starter or not they are in the wrong job . His inclusion is a no brainer for me

windy shepard henderson · 03-02-2018 11:45PM

unchanged team to face meath in the football tomorrow , will actually make this game myself as i think last weeks performance was not as bad as everyone said it was plus tg4 have defered highlights of the game in nowlan pf:pac:

https://twitter.com/Clare_Football/status/959525124537049088

windy shepard henderson · 03-02-2018 11:53PM

one of our most important forwards in the last number of years conor mcgrath dose not start in kilkenny tomorrow , a player i regard as a modern day nicky english deserves a break in my opinion he looked a tired soul last week and most likely carrying a knock of some sort , his clubmate podge steps in in his place and what a better time then after being slated by headmaster loughnane ,

sadly i agree with ger , and i hope his kick up the backside can also draw a bit of life into mr kelly and mr conlon also , a win here and we probably avoid another relegation playoff but the use of the bench i will be very interested to see , expect david reidy to continue on frees and i also expect another big game from cathal malone , a player fastly becoming a vital cog in the clare half forward line wheel

https://twitter.com/ClareSenHurlers/status/959820121068982273

Clareman · 04-02-2018 12:38AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ClareSenHurlers/status/959820121068982273

For all the money that's being laundered spent on Clare Supporters Club you'd expect them to not make such a big deal of Kelly being in the subs

windy shepard henderson · 04-02-2018 12:57AM

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPw_bsSucQLCCXgvcMa4R0A/videos noel ryannes page on youtube , every manager interviewed from last weeks games plus covered the full cavan v clare game only down side was the interview with that muppet from kerry that has that facebook page and for some reason supports clare

noel never asked him enough questions about wwf werstling hence buff egans poor interview :pac::D

mark dunphy really needs to take not of noels work a far better job in my opinion

letowski · 04-02-2018 03:04AM

I think Ger's remarks are sensational.

Wrt management, i genuinely feel they are trying to maximise their attacking components they have at their disposal by playin six forwards up front with a commitment to have a 3 player full forward line. That said the distribution to the inside line was cronic last year, with alot of indecision around the half back/mf where bad decisions/pot shots were taken. Im giving them this year to come to a solution to this problem, especially as it is a pretty radical change from Davy's defensive game strategy. I didnt see much improvement against Tipp but its January, maybe i have more patience than Ger but still. They have alot of very good 'shooters' in Galvin, Kelly, Fitz, Conlon who are comfortable in backing themselves from scoring from 60+ yards. The key is finding a balance to theyre game plan and individual licenses they are handing out.

So for team selection, McGrath is dropped tomorrow. Just cant imagine a Clare team lining in the summer without him. Its good to put a rocket under certain players, espeically some that feel that they are undroppable. One thing that probably escaped the Clare public is that the workrate of the mf and forwards was just not what it should be. I hope that both the management and players identify this, and improve on it. While Ger makes some points, we really need to give a management 2 years to start philosophical be judgmental on the direction they want to take Clare hurling.

For tomorrow's game, looking at the two sides im backing a Clare win.

windy shepard henderson · 04-02-2018 03:15AM

letowski wrote: »

I think Ger's remarks are sensational.

Wrt management, i genuinely feel they are trying to maximise their attacking components they have at their disposal by playin six forwards up front with a commitment to have a 3 player full forward line. That said the distribution to the inside line was cronic last year, with alot of indecision around the half back/mf where bad decisions/pot shots were taken. Im giving them this year to come to a solution to this problem, especially as it is a pretty radical change from Davy's defensive game strategy. I didnt see much improvement against Tipp but its January, maybe i have more patience than Ger but still. They have alot of very good 'shooters' in Galvin, Kelly, Fitz, Conlon who are comfortable in backing themselves from scoring from 60+ yards. The key is finding a balance to theyre game plan and individual licenses they are handing out.

So for team selection, McGrath is dropped tomorrow. Just cant imagine a Clare team lining in the summer without him. Its good to put a rocket under certain players, espeically some that feel that they are undroppable. One thing that probably escaped the Clare public is that the workrate of the mf and forwards was just not what it should be. I hope that both the management and players identify this, and improve on it. While Ger makes some points, we really need to give a management 2 years to start philosophical be judgmental on the direction they want to take Clare hurling.

For tomorrow's game, looking at the two sides im backing a Clare win.

Im I the only person bar the mad man that is loughnane . That reckons the same treatment neads to be searved up to kelly conlon and podge

I reckon everyone is being soft on them on here

Clareman · 04-02-2018 10:42AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPw_bsSucQLCCXgvcMa4R0A/videos noel ryannes page on youtube , every manager interviewed from last weeks games plus covered the full cavan v clare game only down side was the interview with that muppet from kerry that has that facebook page and for some reason supports clare

noel never asked him enough questions about wwf werstling hence buff egans poor interview :pac::D

mark dunphy really needs to take not of noels work a far better job in my opinion

Mark was 1 of Davy's lackies and got landed with he Clare gig, now that he's working for the council he probably doesn't have the time, he's well able to get time to go to Chicago though

Tell me how · 04-02-2018 10:42AM

windy shepard henderson wrote:

Im I the only person bar the mad man that is loughnane . That reckons the same treatment neads to be searved up to kelly conlon and podge

I reckon everyone is being soft on them on here

I've been annoyed by both pretty much since about 2015. What ticked me off was their behavior in club matches. I felt Podge was constantly trying to win frees by jumping in to players in football and Tony constantly in the referees and linesman ears throughout games.

Also, I get the sense Tony feels managerial instructions aren't for him. During the football club final against KIB, a Clondegad selector called him to the side line. Going purely by body language I got the sense Tony wasn't agreeing with what he was being asked to do. His mouthing to the ref in that game was embarrassing for a player with as much natural talent as he has in my view.

While the examples above are when playing football, my perception of these behaviours has me thinking they both are living off their reputation somewhat. Maybe I'm wrong.

square ball · 04-02-2018 10:46AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Im I the only person bar the mad man that is loughnane . That reckons the same treatment neads to be searved up to kelly conlon and podge

I reckon everyone is being soft on them on here

Kelly hasn't been very consistent over the last couple of years to be fair. He can be very good but also go missing for large portions of games. He could probably do with a rest but i would imagine they are trying to find the positioning of most of our best 15 early in the year and tweak the team from there.

Conlon has been poor for 2 or 3 years. He shipped a lot of knocks when he was our only puckout option and it may have caught up on him. He might be more suited to the edge of the square than out the field.

Podge doesn't look to have that same spark he had in 2013. Reidy is probably the better option doing a similar job.

Decision making for the 3 of them is my biggest problem. Some poor shot selection and shooting from way too far out meaning they contribute a lot to our wide count.

Claregaafan18 · 04-02-2018 05:24PM

Clare hurlers win by 3 but same old problems exist. 18 wides in total and 12 in the 2nd half. Huge improvement needed but 2 wins from 2 is good though.

As for the Clare senior footballers, not much you can say other than Division 3 is on the cards after a 2nd half collapse where they were outscored 0-15 to 0-3 against Meath. A week of soul searching awaits. Other thing to add is Clare's fitness is deplorable though.

windy shepard henderson · 04-02-2018 08:19PM

Claregaafan18 wrote: »

Clare hurlers win by 3 but same old problems exist. 18 wides in total and 12 in the 2nd half. Huge improvement needed but 2 wins from 2 is good though.

As for the Clare senior footballers, not much you can say other than Division 3 is on the cards after a 2nd half collapse where they were outscored 0-15 to 0-3 against Meath. A week of soul searching awaits. Other thing to add is Clare's fitness is deplorable though.

Was in navan today . Only thing I can say about it is we are atleast 3-months behind where Meath were today . In terms of ball handling ,fitness dispositions and even free takers and as you say only a minor miracle could keep us up on todays performance

Feel sorry for both Brennan and o connor as they played well enough ,cant fault Collins for trying out new players but you cant have a team that far off the pace last week s draw was the players fault today this is on him , our gameplan of running off the shoulder and possession requires far higher levels of fitness then what we showed today

Clareman · 04-02-2018 08:20PM

Good win by the hurlers today, that should guarantee us top level next year so we should see more people tried, was talking to someone about Duggan on the frees last week and he was carrying a hand injury and thats why he was taken off them.

It'll be between Louth and Clare for relegation to division 3 I fear.

windy shepard henderson · 04-02-2018 08:33PM

Clareman wrote: »

Good win by the hurlers today, that should guarantee us top level next year so we should see more people tried, was talking to someone about Duggan on the frees last week and he was carrying a hand injury and thats why he was taken off them.

It'll be between Louth and Clare for relegation to division 3 I fear.

Going watching the hurling now , seen the goals excellent stuff by shane O'Donnell for the first

Gael85 · 04-02-2018 09:03PM

Clareman wrote: »

For all the money that's being laundered spent on Clare Supporters Club you'd expect them to not make such a big deal of Kelly being in the subs[/QUOTE]

What happened with Kelly?

letowski · 04-02-2018 09:08PM

Decent enough win for us today, anytime you get a win in Nowlan Park is a good day.

Some of the positives was the start and hurling we played in the opening 20 minutes. I though Colm Galvin was outstanding, in linking up the play and laying of passes for scores. Conlon and Malone were also very prominent in the first half. Honestly we really should have been more ahead at half time, we miseed two other goal chances, aswell as points (Podge being a big culprit) aswell as some downright bizarre frees McGrath gave KK to keep them in the game. Second half, the game got more physical and KK came into it well. We still should have pushed on but again our decision making and shooting was crazy, like v Tipp last year. I thought McInerney and Reidy had good second halves, as did Galvin too, who was my motm. Tony Kelly worked hard but again he is taking the wrong option to shoot too often.

Just lads its so simple... wides and frees, please please keep them down. Its extraordinary a team can go to Nowlan Park nowadays and win despite having 10 frees conceded and 18 wides. But they will be our downfall for sure if we dont fix these long standing issues.

Gael85 · 04-02-2018 11:45PM

Clareman wrote: »

I'm noticing a bit of a split in opinion for SoD, people either think he is awesome or he's not playing well

A good man to take a goal but doesn't score many points. Scored 10-18 in 17 championship games.

Limestone Cowboy · 05-02-2018 12:41AM

Gael85 wrote: »

A good man to take a goal but doesn't score many points. Scored 10-18 in 17 championship games.

He lays off an awful lot of ball for easy scores though, I'd love to see a stat for the amount of assists he has had.

windy shepard henderson · 05-02-2018 01:11AM

letowski wrote: »

Decent enough win for us today, anytime you get a win in Nowlan Park is a good day.

Some of the positives was the start and hurling we played in the opening 20 minutes. I though Colm Galvin was outstanding, in linking up the play and laying of passes for scores. Conlon and Malone were also very prominent in the first half. Honestly we really should have been more ahead at half time, we miseed two other goal chances, aswell as points (Podge being a big culprit) aswell as some downright bizarre frees McGrath gave KK to keep them in the game. Second half, the game got more physical and KK came into it well. We still should have pushed on but again our decision making and shooting was crazy, like v Tipp last year. I thought McInerney and Reidy had good second halves, as did Galvin too, who was my motm. Tony Kelly worked hard but again he is taking the wrong option to shoot too often.

Just lads its so simple... wides and frees, please please keep them down. Its extraordinary a team can go to Nowlan Park nowadays and win despite having 10 frees conceded and 18 wides. But they will be our downfall for sure if we dont fix these long standing issues.

Referee was a little bit fussy but no excuses for that amount of frees given away , the level of wides hit from midfield and worse still the half backline is worrying

I would far prefer players be encouraged to play a diagonal ball into the corners and start an attack from there rather hitting a hail mary wide from your own half , the galway module of the last 4 or 5 years would be my example . With conlon opperating in the full forward possition

Reidy is having an excellent league and had another fine outing again today while shane O'Donnell has nominated himself with a goal of the year effort and a super finish

In the first half we had 9 different scorers which was a descent spread but only 5 points in the entire second half was not good enough

We were much the better team but Kilkenny are going in the right direction some good young lads coming through especially the likes of young Murphy , they will never go away for as long as cody has them and can be happy with there second half performance

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