NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

ussjtrunks · 31-01-2018 07:35PM

So theres 1 company left in the bidding then why hasn't been awarded already, seems strange unless theres still mounds of paperwork left

The high horse brigade · 31-01-2018 07:38PM

Still taking crap about all the fibre that's already been delivered

Johnboy1951 · 31-01-2018 07:40PM

Yes, eir are legally obliged to give access to others to their infrastructure (poles) ........ but the problem might be how much they charge.

Presently that is €20 per pole per year ...... which can be quite a lot outside built up areas.

Redriddick · 31-01-2018 07:46PM

In light of the fact there is now only one admissible tenderer the government can now negotiate the tender value and terms and conditions

SkepticQuark · 31-01-2018 07:49PM

So how feasible does everyone think it is for Enet to actually be able to deliver the goods? I imagine given their expertise they would maybe target a more wholesale approach to the plan? Provide the fibre to the locations and let the ISPs manage it?

ednwireland · 31-01-2018 08:05PM

roddy15 wrote: »

So how feasible does everyone think it is for Enet to actually be able to deliver the goods? I imagine given their expertise they would maybe target a more wholesale approach to the plan? Provide the fibre to the locations and let the ISPs manage it?

we have a MAN in the town run by enet installed 2003 never lit
They reannounced a fibre roll out for businesses in the town last September. Emailed for details didn't even get a reply (I work for a software company in a rural town)
my td can't get any response out of them I dont beleive they can deliver anything on my experience apartt from siphoning gov. Money.

SkepticQuark · 31-01-2018 08:08PM

ednwireland wrote: »

we have a MAN in the town run by enet installed 2003 never lit
They reannounced a fibre roll out for businesses in the town last September. Emailed for details didn't even get a reply (I work for a software company in a rural town)
my td can't get any response out of them I dont beleive they can deliver anything on my experience apartt from siphoning gov. Money.

So basically Eir's partner in crime? How lovely.

Marlow · 31-01-2018 08:13PM

roddy15 wrote: »

So basically Eir's partner in crime? How lovely.

No .. they're actually worse than eir. Because opposed to OpenEIR (which is regulated), the government nor Comreg is interested in regulating eNets pricing of government owned infrastructure, so they can charge whatever they want. (it's a bit more complicated, but you get the picture)

/M

godskitchen · 31-01-2018 08:20PM

Absolutely unbelievable. I imagine Eir have seen the true cost of running fibre as part of their extra 300k and now know the nbp won't have the funds.

If the government can get me a trunk line to within 5km of my village myself and the neighbours will do the rest ala b4rn style.

wexfordman2 · 31-01-2018 08:28PM

State needs to come down hard on eir now, both in respect of access to infrastructure and uso .

MBSnr · 31-01-2018 08:28PM

Marlow wrote: »

No .. they're actually worse than eir. Because opposed to OpenEIR (which is regulated), the government nor Comreg is interested in regulating eNets pricing of government owned infrastructure, so they can charge whatever they want. (it's a bit more complicated, but you get the picture)

/M

I was originally shocked at their pricing! My understanding is that the original fibre costs have been repaid 1000s of times over since 2003 by their massive yearly rental costs.

Our company MAN costs only reduced because of increased VDSL competition and (I'd imagine Eir's fibre backbone) in the last few years. Although still any supplier has to use eNet in our business park and all quotes we get are within 50 Euro of each other....

fritzelly · 31-01-2018 08:48PM

I'm envisaging all the civil servants now frantically trying to come up with said Plan B...

Strawberry HillBilly · 31-01-2018 08:59PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

eir statement:

https://www.eir.ie/pressroom/eir-Withdraws-from-NBP/

Surely they wont renege on this commitment ...or am I just really naive?

I_HAVE_NO_NAME · 31-01-2018 08:59PM

Are we really surprised though? Collectively at this stage we should b4n it. F*ck the government. NBP was always cursed. Naughton handed OpenEir a gold-mine in the form of the 300K. They are a shower and we know that but they still were best suited for the NBP. As for ESB state owned fibre network that’s where our millions should’ve gone. Now we are left with eNet who’s only exsisting infrastructure are the MAN’s. What a mess... I’d love to see a timeline of all the collective f*ck up’s of this NBP.

billbond4 · 31-01-2018 09:03PM

Someone on the journal posted that with 5g around the corner, vodafone and eir will be able to roll out broadband services a lot quicker and cheaper to laying fiber and i think his right

tsue921i8wljb3 · 31-01-2018 09:05PM

billbond4 wrote: »

Someone on the journal posted that with 5g around the corner, vodafone and eir will be able to roll out broadband services a lot quicker and cheaper to laying fiber and i think his right

I would not be taking technical advice from the comments section of the Journal.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 31-01-2018 09:07PM

Strawberry HillBilly wrote: »

Surely they wont renege on this commitment ...or am I just really naive?

Hopefully they will do as they say. We can only take them at their word.

Gonzo · 31-01-2018 09:09PM

billbond4 wrote: »

Someone on the journal posted that with 5g around the corner, vodafone and eir will be able to roll out broadband services a lot quicker and cheaper to laying fiber and i think his right

5g will mostly likely just be a faster version of 4g but with the same problems as every other wireless standard. Line of Sight issues, distance from mast, limited bandwidth, contention, tight data caps.

I've no faith in wireless as I have yet to see a wireless service in Ireland that works properly 24/7 and gives the customer a stable connection with more than enough data allowance.

billbond4 · 31-01-2018 09:10PM

True, but as i work in a telecomms company thats developing 5G he made a valid point that the companies are thinking long term

Tigerandahalf · 31-01-2018 09:11PM

So you have Open eir owning the existing infrastructure on behalf of the state.

Enet will run the fibre cable along said poles and presumably will be responsible for its maintenance.

Then will we see a 3rd company actually buying it wholesale and offering it to the customer.

So your broadband will go down and 3 companies will be blaming each other.

Was any plan put in place to gauge the cost of running fibre in different rural areas?

You would think a state company should be set up to rollout and maintain the fibre and then sell it on.

billbond4 · 31-01-2018 09:12PM

Gonzo wrote: »

5g will mostly likely just be a faster version of 4g but with the same problems as every other wireless standard. Line of Sight issues, distance from mast, limited bandwidth, contention, tight data caps.

I've no faith in wireless as I have yet to see a wireless service in Ireland that works properly 24/7 and gives the customer a stable connection with more than enough data allowance.

5G wont have those issues (if provider buys the right equipment)

the whole year inn · 31-01-2018 09:12PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

I would not be taking technical advice from the comments section of the Journal.

Hahaha ,that gave me a good laugh.
On the 5g what's is the point having it if only allowed to have 20 gigs download cap.Pointless.

wexfordman2 · 31-01-2018 09:13PM

billbond4 wrote: »

True, but as i work in a telecomms company thats developing 5G he made a valid point that the companies are thinking long term

The first NBS, used 3g, provided by 3irl, since then we have evolved to 4g, and now talk of evolving to 5g. The point is that all these evolutions are short term, fibre is not

MajesticDonkey · 31-01-2018 09:14PM

billbond4 wrote: »

5G wont have those issues (if provider buys the right equipment)

Of course it'll have those problems - it's wireless. 5G won't change the laws of physics.

TomOnBoard · 31-01-2018 09:14PM

billbond4 wrote: »

Someone on the journal posted that with 5g around the corner, vodafone and eir will be able to roll out broadband services a lot quicker and cheaper to laying fiber and i think his right

5G may be around the corner, but the corner is at least 3-5years away.

billbond4 · 31-01-2018 09:15PM

the whole year inn wrote: »

Hahaha ,that gave me a good laugh.
On the 5g what's is the point having it if only allowed to have 20 gigs download cap.Pointless.

20gb might be fine for some customers.
At a guess It will probably be sold more on speed packages than allowances

tsue921i8wljb3 · 31-01-2018 09:15PM

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

So you have Open eir owning the existing infrastructure on behalf of the state.

Enet will run the fibre cable along said poles and presumably will be responsible for its maintenance.

Then will we see a 3rd company actually buying it wholesale and offering it to the customer.

So your broadband will go down and 3 companies will be blaming each other.

Was any plan put in place to gauge the cost of running fibre in different rural areas?

You would think a state company should be set up to rollout and maintain the fibre and then sell it on.

There would be no 3rd company. enet will be the wholesaler selling capacity to the retail ISPs similar to how Openeir and SIRO currently operate.

billbond4 · 31-01-2018 09:16PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

5G may be around the corner, but the corner is at least 3-5years away.

Thats around the corner for infrastructure rollout s in this country

TomOnBoard · 31-01-2018 09:17PM

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

So you have Open eir owning the existing infrastructure on behalf of the state.

Enet will run the fibre cable along said poles and presumably will be responsible for its maintenance.

Then will we see a 3rd company actually buying it wholesale and offering it to the customer.

So your broadband will go down and 3 companies will be blaming each other.

Was any plan put in place to gauge the cost of running fibre in different rural areas?

You would think a state company should be set up to rollout and maintain the fibre and then sell it on.

OpenEir owns the existing infrastructure on behalf of itself (Eir) not on behalf of the State.

wexfordman2 · 31-01-2018 09:21PM

billbond4 wrote: »

20gb might be fine for some customers.
At a guess It will probably be sold more on speed packages than allowances

I'm working on mobile network design for nearly a quarter of a century, 2g,3g and 4g. Forget it, it's just not a viable solution

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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