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NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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They've published!

The government has published a new map outlining in detail 700,000 rural homes and businesses which will be connected to state-subsidised broadband of at least 30 megabits per second (Mbs) from 2016.

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/revealed-700000-homes-and-businesses-to-get-subsidised-fast-broadband-in-new-plan-30769126.html

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KOR101

There is no way Eir would simply withdraw and let another company take the remaining rural homes. They must be confident that it's not going to happen.

Wing126

wexfordman2 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/business/national-broadband-plan-winner-says-eirs-withdrawal-wont-affect-rollout-timetable-36553079.html

Interesting that they are calling enet the winning bidder!

They're the only bidder left, so technically they did win.

NIMAN

Thats us rural dwellers fecked royally.

I can't see me getting superfast BB for a LONG time.

Wireless will be my only hope.

wexfordman2

https://m.independent.ie/business/national-broadband-plan-winner-says-eirs-withdrawal-wont-affect-rollout-timetable-36553079.html

Interesting that they are calling enet the winning bidder!

fritzelly

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

But could the government set up a state company tomorrow and force either esb or open eir to provide their lines for a cost fee.

They could try, and meet them in court
No private company is going to spend years building an infrastructure that makes no money for them - why wouldn't the government just build it themselves if that was what they wanted to do.

Tigerandahalf

fritzelly wrote: »

OpenEir is a regulated private company that leases to all teleco
Eir retail operates seperately (as far as OpenEir is concerned they are the same as Vodafone etc)
But they are part of the eir Group

But could the government set up a state company tomorrow and force either esb or open eir to provide their lines for a cost fee.

fritzelly

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

So is Open eir a private company running separately to eir?

OpenEir is a regulated private company that leases to all teleco
Eir retail operates seperately (as far as OpenEir is concerned they are the same as Vodafone etc)
But they are part of the eir Group

tsue921i8wljb3

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

So is Open eir a private company running separately to eir?

No. eir and Openeir are part of the same private company, eir Group. All their infrastructure, poles ducts cables etc is owned by this company.

Tigerandahalf

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Nope

So is Open eir a private company running separately to eir?

wexfordman2

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

But I thought the state retained ownership of the pole/line infrastructure in the form of Open eir.

Eir is a private company no?

Nope

Tigerandahalf

TomOnBoard wrote: »

OpenEir owns the existing infrastructure on behalf of itself (Eir) not on behalf of the State.

But I thought the state retained ownership of the pole/line infrastructure in the form of Open eir.

Eir is a private company no?

listermint

billbond4 wrote: »

Thats around the corner for infrastructure rollout s in this country

You must work in the retail arm , because 5g is no substitute for fibre

It's simply not all the retail speak in the world won't tackle the drawbacks of wireless problems.

You can have all the fancy wireless routers in an office of 300 people but you won't have everyone on wireless. There's a reason everyone has ethernet at their desks. Wireless can't handle the contention.

wexfordman2

billbond4 wrote: »

20gb might be fine for some customers.
At a guess It will probably be sold more on speed packages than allowances

I'm working on mobile network design for nearly a quarter of a century, 2g,3g and 4g. Forget it, it's just not a viable solution

TomOnBoard

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

So you have Open eir owning the existing infrastructure on behalf of the state.

Enet will run the fibre cable along said poles and presumably will be responsible for its maintenance.

Then will we see a 3rd company actually buying it wholesale and offering it to the customer.

So your broadband will go down and 3 companies will be blaming each other.

Was any plan put in place to gauge the cost of running fibre in different rural areas?

You would think a state company should be set up to rollout and maintain the fibre and then sell it on.

OpenEir owns the existing infrastructure on behalf of itself (Eir) not on behalf of the State.

billbond4

TomOnBoard wrote: »

5G may be around the corner, but the corner is at least 3-5years away.

Thats around the corner for infrastructure rollout s in this country

tsue921i8wljb3

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

So you have Open eir owning the existing infrastructure on behalf of the state.

Enet will run the fibre cable along said poles and presumably will be responsible for its maintenance.

Then will we see a 3rd company actually buying it wholesale and offering it to the customer.

So your broadband will go down and 3 companies will be blaming each other.

Was any plan put in place to gauge the cost of running fibre in different rural areas?

You would think a state company should be set up to rollout and maintain the fibre and then sell it on.

There would be no 3rd company. enet will be the wholesaler selling capacity to the retail ISPs similar to how Openeir and SIRO currently operate.

billbond4

the whole year inn wrote: »

Hahaha ,that gave me a good laugh.
On the 5g what's is the point having it if only allowed to have 20 gigs download cap.Pointless.

20gb might be fine for some customers.
At a guess It will probably be sold more on speed packages than allowances

TomOnBoard

billbond4 wrote: »

Someone on the journal posted that with 5g around the corner, vodafone and eir will be able to roll out broadband services a lot quicker and cheaper to laying fiber and i think his right

5G may be around the corner, but the corner is at least 3-5years away.

MajesticDonkey

billbond4 wrote: »

5G wont have those issues (if provider buys the right equipment)

Of course it'll have those problems - it's wireless. 5G won't change the laws of physics.

wexfordman2

billbond4 wrote: »

True, but as i work in a telecomms company thats developing 5G he made a valid point that the companies are thinking long term

The first NBS, used 3g, provided by 3irl, since then we have evolved to 4g, and now talk of evolving to 5g. The point is that all these evolutions are short term, fibre is not

the whole year inn

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

I would not be taking technical advice from the comments section of the Journal.

Hahaha ,that gave me a good laugh.
On the 5g what's is the point having it if only allowed to have 20 gigs download cap.Pointless.

billbond4

Gonzo wrote: »

5g will mostly likely just be a faster version of 4g but with the same problems as every other wireless standard. Line of Sight issues, distance from mast, limited bandwidth, contention, tight data caps.

I've no faith in wireless as I have yet to see a wireless service in Ireland that works properly 24/7 and gives the customer a stable connection with more than enough data allowance.

5G wont have those issues (if provider buys the right equipment)

Tigerandahalf

So you have Open eir owning the existing infrastructure on behalf of the state.

Enet will run the fibre cable along said poles and presumably will be responsible for its maintenance.

Then will we see a 3rd company actually buying it wholesale and offering it to the customer.

So your broadband will go down and 3 companies will be blaming each other.

Was any plan put in place to gauge the cost of running fibre in different rural areas?

You would think a state company should be set up to rollout and maintain the fibre and then sell it on.

billbond4

True, but as i work in a telecomms company thats developing 5G he made a valid point that the companies are thinking long term

Gonzo

billbond4 wrote: »

Someone on the journal posted that with 5g around the corner, vodafone and eir will be able to roll out broadband services a lot quicker and cheaper to laying fiber and i think his right

5g will mostly likely just be a faster version of 4g but with the same problems as every other wireless standard. Line of Sight issues, distance from mast, limited bandwidth, contention, tight data caps.

I've no faith in wireless as I have yet to see a wireless service in Ireland that works properly 24/7 and gives the customer a stable connection with more than enough data allowance.

tsue921i8wljb3

Strawberry HillBilly wrote: »

Surely they wont renege on this commitment ...or am I just really naive?

Hopefully they will do as they say. We can only take them at their word.

tsue921i8wljb3

billbond4 wrote: »

Someone on the journal posted that with 5g around the corner, vodafone and eir will be able to roll out broadband services a lot quicker and cheaper to laying fiber and i think his right

I would not be taking technical advice from the comments section of the Journal.

billbond4

Someone on the journal posted that with 5g around the corner, vodafone and eir will be able to roll out broadband services a lot quicker and cheaper to laying fiber and i think his right

I_HAVE_NO_NAME

Are we really surprised though? Collectively at this stage we should b4n it. F*ck the government. NBP was always cursed. Naughton handed OpenEir a gold-mine in the form of the 300K. They are a shower and we know that but they still were best suited for the NBP. As for ESB state owned fibre network that’s where our millions should’ve gone. Now we are left with eNet who’s only exsisting infrastructure are the MAN’s. What a mess... I’d love to see a timeline of all the collective f*ck up’s of this NBP.

Strawberry HillBilly

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

eir statement:

https://www.eir.ie/pressroom/eir-Withdraws-from-NBP/

Surely they wont renege on this commitment ...or am I just really naive?