The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

david75 · 29-01-2018 11:20PM

swampgas wrote: »

I don't know if you were around in the 80's when the 8th Amendment was introduced. It was a very different Ireland to the one we see today. There was a genuine panic among some that a Roe vs. Wade judgement could introduce abortion to Ireland. There was a propaganda campaign that you had to have been there to believe. The people were subject to a barrage of the most hateful, wrong, and deceitful propoganda, in a country still in thrall to bishops and priests. It was a grim time, to be honest.

There was no intention to respect the will of the people. The idea was to terrify and brainwash and intimidate a constitional bar on abortion, to slow down the inevitable, as the Irish people became more educated, modern and liberal.

Same BS tactics still work. Fear lies intimidation etc.
Lisbon II

Doltanian · 29-01-2018 11:21PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

All those women marching in support of Repeal are EU Paymasters?!?!?! :eek:

Wait a second... that makes me an EU Paymaster....

#mindblown.

What about the babies themselves, they are too young and unable to march themselves, as a Conservative, Anti-EU, Anti-Feminst, Pro-Trump, Anti-Marxist I will vote against Abortion. Yes to killing babies but no to killing pedophiles and murderers. Leftwing politics is the biggest cancer on society and we badly need another Thatcher or Pinochet in this country to crush the left finally.

Bannasidhe · 29-01-2018 11:25PM

Doltanian wrote: »

What about the babies themselves, they are too young and unable to march themselves, as a Conservative, Anti-EU, Anti-Feminst, Pro-Trump, Anti-Marxist I will vote against Abortion. Yes to killing babies but no to killing pedophiles and murderers. Leftwing politics is the biggest cancer on society and we badly need another Thatcher or Pinochet in this country to crush the left finally.

Ah. You are one of those.

It's like there is a rip in the fabric of time and the 1930s are leaking through.

swampgas · 29-01-2018 11:26PM

Doltanian wrote: »

What about the babies themselves, they are too young and unable to march themselves, as a Conservative, Anti-EU, Anti-Feminst, Pro-Trump, Anti-Marxist I will vote against Abortion. Yes to killing babies but no to killing pedophiles and murderers. Leftwing politics is the biggest cancer on society and we badly need another Thatcher or Pinochet in this country to crush the left finally.

Pinochet? Really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Human_rights_violations

uptherebels · 29-01-2018 11:27PM

Doltanian wrote: »

What about the babies themselves, they are too young and unable to march themselves, as a Conservative, Anti-EU, Anti-Feminst, Pro-Trump, Anti-Marxist I will vote against Abortion. Yes to killing babies but no to killing pedophiles and murderers. Leftwing politics is the biggest cancer on society and we badly need another Thatcher or Pinochet in this country to crush the left finally.

you left out anti democratic

dudara · 29-01-2018 11:31PM

Doltanian wrote: »

And has no support from his party, Fianna Fail need to pull the plug on this charade excuse of a Government immediately to prevent a referendum taking place.

Why are you worried about a referendum taking place?

Go out there, campaign, do your best to convince others of your perspective. Then let the people vote. It's going to be close, no doubt about it, but at least we will find out the will of the people, one way or the other.

murpho999 · 29-01-2018 11:32PM

Doltanian wrote: »

What about the babies themselves, they are too young and unable to march themselves, as a Conservative, Anti-EU, Anti-Feminst, Pro-Trump, Anti-Marxist I will vote against Abortion. Yes to killing babies but no to killing pedophiles and murderers. Leftwing politics is the biggest cancer on society and we badly need another Thatcher or Pinochet in this country to crush the left finally.

At least you're pro democracy and will respect the result I hope.

I don't get why people want children born to people who are capable at the time to offer the love and support it needs.

Or to neglect the needs of the pregnant lady both mentally and physically.

I strongly believe that abortion is a highly personal choice of the woman who will be going through a highly difficult and personal crisis of which you or I have no real right to say that she should be denied the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

baylah17 · 29-01-2018 11:34PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Bannasidhe wrote: »

All those women marching in support of Repeal are EU Paymasters?!?!?! :eek:

Wait a second... that makes me an EU Paymaster....

#mindblown.

What about the babies themselves

They are not babies just feotuses

Kurtosis · 29-01-2018 11:34PM

drkpower wrote: »

Sorry to distract you. It's an interesting aside of some passing relevance. You don't have to engage with it.

It's of fairly limited relevance when the scenario you describe is not possible under the proposed changes, as well as being incredibly unlikely even if was possible.

It's important to make it clear when a hypothetical is being discussed, otherwise it can easily muddy the waters, especially with the prevailing "voting for uncertainty" and "slippery slope" narratives.

murpho999 · 29-01-2018 11:34PM

Doltanian wrote: »

I never thought I'd see the day that I am supporting Fianna Fail again, well done FG you have hit a fresh low, the lowest you could possible go in the murder and genocide of defenceless babies to satisfy the EU paymasters and George Soros.

You really should look up the meaning of the word genocide.

Have you not noticed that there are still plenty of people existing in countries that permit abortion?

drkpower · 29-01-2018 11:37PM

Kurtosis wrote: »

It's of fairly limited relevance when the scenario you describe is not possible under the proposed changes, as well as being incredibly unlikely even if was possible.

It's important to make it clear when a hypothetical is being discussed, otherwise it can easily muddy the waters, especially with the prevailing "voting for uncertainty" and "slippery slope" narratives.

I agree; that's why I used the word hypothetical a few times.

Jim Ellis · 29-01-2018 11:37PM

Claire Byrne on RTE1 going live to government buildings shortly

Doltanian · 29-01-2018 11:37PM

dudara wrote: »

Why are you worried about a referendum taking place?

Go out there, campaign, do your best to convince others of your perspective. Then let the people vote. It's going to be close, no doubt about it, but at least we will find out the will of the people, one way or the other.

There should be referendum on killing innocent babies. Full Stop. Irish people are not capable of being trusted at the ballot box, they twice changed their minds on the EU and this campaign will be steamrolled by the left and SJW's. I stand with the Right and the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I am a young person and I always speak my mind and never hide what I believe.

homerjay2005 · 29-01-2018 11:37PM

not sure how i will vote but have to say Varadker must now rank as the most progressive leader in our history.

he is a breath of fresh air.

ricero · 29-01-2018 11:39PM

If its all out open abortion then i think i will vote no.

The wording will be key. If its for severe disabilities and rape victims then i would consider voting yes.

29-01-2018 11:39PM

Even we return a no vote the fact remains women will still get abortions abroad, I can understand people objecting to abortion but unless you are actively lobbying the UK government to block Irish women accessing abortions then it's a case of not on my doorstep and inflicting unnecessary hardships and suffering for them here by denying them access to abortion and forcing them go abroad.

Doltanian · 29-01-2018 11:40PM

murpho999 wrote: »

You really should look up the meaning of the word genocide.

Have you not noticed that there are still plenty of people existing in countries that permit abortion?

Lookup White Genocide, the population replacement agenda driven by the leftwing marxist organisations around the world to make European White people a minority and to end Anglo-American-European Hegemony in the world.

Itssoeasy · 29-01-2018 11:40PM

I'm listening to Ronan Mullen from earlier today on Sean O' rourke and surely the pro life side of the argument have a better spokesperson than him. I mean it's not his points it's the snarky tone he uses. It doesn't help in any way.

Edit: Also the fact he worked for the Catholic Church will not help people who for whatever reason aren't fans of the Catholic Church when he talks about respect for children and women. The Catholic Church hasn't had a stellar history in this regard.

eviltwin · 29-01-2018 11:40PM

ricero wrote: »

If its all out open abortion then i think i will vote no.

The wording will be key. If its for severe disabilities and rape victims then i would consider voting yes.

You cannot allow abortion in the case of rape without allowing it for all.

Bannasidhe · 29-01-2018 11:42PM

Doltanian wrote: »

There should be referendum on killing innocent babies. Full Stop. Irish people are not capable of being trusted at the ballot box, they twice changed their minds on the EU and this campaign will be steamrolled by the left and SJW's. I stand with the Right and the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I am a young person and I always speak my mind and never hide what I believe.

You mean a referendum on whether or not the 8th Amendment is kept or repealed?
Who do you suppose should vote in this referendum of young person who speaks your mind?

murpho999 · 29-01-2018 11:42PM

ricero wrote: »

If its all out open abortion then i think i will vote no.

The wording will be key. If its for severe disabilities and rape victims then i would consider voting yes.

It will be to repeal the 8th.

Simple as that.

Legislation will then decide the terms afterwards.

I don't get why a rape victim's child is ok to be aborted but not that of an unwanted crisis pregnancy. I don't see the difference.

SusieBlue · 29-01-2018 11:42PM

Doltanian wrote: »

There should be referendum on killing innocent babies. Full Stop. Irish people are not capable of being trusted at the ballot box, they twice changed their minds on the EU and this campaign will be steamrolled by the left and SJW's. I stand with the Right and the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I am a young person and I always speak my mind and never hide what I believe.

How anyone could stand behind the RCC after the atrocities they committed on the citizens of this country (particularly women, children born out of wedlock, and gay people) is absolutely abhorrent to me.

murpho999 · 29-01-2018 11:43PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Lookup White Genocide, the population replacement agenda driven by the leftwing marxist organisations around the world to make European White people a minority and to end Anglo-American-European Hegemony in the world.

Sorry but you're talkng absolute sh1te.

Women don't have abortions because of Marxist plots.

kenmc · 29-01-2018 11:44PM

ricero wrote: »

If its all out open abortion then i think i will vote no.

The wording will be key. If its for severe disabilities and rape victims then i would consider voting yes.

Why? I'm not yet seeing the part where abortion will be compulsory for all, not just for rape victims, severe disabilities etc...

29-01-2018 11:45PM

Weren't the RCC only the other day trying to link legalising abortion to the opening of a door to euthanasia for the elderly and people with disabilities.

EDIT: I'm really not looking forward to this campaign , my eyes will be rolling in my head so fast it'll look like they are still

Itssoeasy · 29-01-2018 11:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Weren't the RCC only the other day trying to link legalising abortion to the opening of a door euthanasia of the elderly and people with disabilities.

Well it was mentioned in the Sean o rourke show today with Ronan Mullen and it did seem a bit extreme of a point to make, and not based on any facts that I could see.

ricero · 29-01-2018 11:48PM

kenmc wrote: »

Why? I'm not yet seeing the part where abortion will be compulsory for all, not just for rape victims, severe disabilities etc...

Abortion cannot be used as a form of contraception. Society cannot become a place without responsibilities and abortion a way out for people who dont use contraceptive methods when practicising sex.

Jim Ellis · 29-01-2018 11:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Weren't the RCC only the other day trying to link legalising abortion to the opening of a door to euthanasia for the elderly and people with disabilities.

They have a point. Morals and value of human life are slowly being eroded in society. The right-on liberals will find something else to focus their attention on after this referendum is passed.

Soulsun · 29-01-2018 11:50PM

What date will the referendum likely be?

Arghus · 29-01-2018 11:51PM

Soulsun wrote: »

What date will the referendum likely be?

End of May.

The bull****!t's goanna be non-stop until then.

The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

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