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The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

RobertKK

The citizens assembly voted to replace or amend the 8th amendment.

50% voted to replace or amend
44% voted to repeal
Rest preferred to not state an opinion

Now deciding how it will be replaced or amended
: Let the Dail legislate on the rights of the unborn
: Amend the provision in the constitution.

Meltdown on twitter by Repealthe8th people.

Mod- This thread has descended in to petty name calling. We've tried to let this thread run without too much mod interference but now it's on our radar we will be watching. From here on the name calling stops. If you can't debate civilly we will remove your right to post.

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david75

swampgas wrote: »

I don't know if you were around in the 80's when the 8th Amendment was introduced. It was a very different Ireland to the one we see today. There was a genuine panic among some that a Roe vs. Wade judgement could introduce abortion to Ireland. There was a propaganda campaign that you had to have been there to believe. The people were subject to a barrage of the most hateful, wrong, and deceitful propoganda, in a country still in thrall to bishops and priests. It was a grim time, to be honest.

There was no intention to respect the will of the people. The idea was to terrify and brainwash and intimidate a constitional bar on abortion, to slow down the inevitable, as the Irish people became more educated, modern and liberal.

Same BS tactics still work. Fear lies intimidation etc.
Lisbon II

Doltanian

Bannasidhe wrote: »

All those women marching in support of Repeal are EU Paymasters?!?!?! :eek:

Wait a second... that makes me an EU Paymaster....

#mindblown.

What about the babies themselves, they are too young and unable to march themselves, as a Conservative, Anti-EU, Anti-Feminst, Pro-Trump, Anti-Marxist I will vote against Abortion. Yes to killing babies but no to killing pedophiles and murderers. Leftwing politics is the biggest cancer on society and we badly need another Thatcher or Pinochet in this country to crush the left finally.

Bannasidhe

Doltanian wrote: »

What about the babies themselves, they are too young and unable to march themselves, as a Conservative, Anti-EU, Anti-Feminst, Pro-Trump, Anti-Marxist I will vote against Abortion. Yes to killing babies but no to killing pedophiles and murderers. Leftwing politics is the biggest cancer on society and we badly need another Thatcher or Pinochet in this country to crush the left finally.

Ah. You are one of those.

It's like there is a rip in the fabric of time and the 1930s are leaking through.

swampgas

Doltanian wrote: »

What about the babies themselves, they are too young and unable to march themselves, as a Conservative, Anti-EU, Anti-Feminst, Pro-Trump, Anti-Marxist I will vote against Abortion. Yes to killing babies but no to killing pedophiles and murderers. Leftwing politics is the biggest cancer on society and we badly need another Thatcher or Pinochet in this country to crush the left finally.

Pinochet? Really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Human_rights_violations

uptherebels

Doltanian wrote: »

What about the babies themselves, they are too young and unable to march themselves, as a Conservative, Anti-EU, Anti-Feminst, Pro-Trump, Anti-Marxist I will vote against Abortion. Yes to killing babies but no to killing pedophiles and murderers. Leftwing politics is the biggest cancer on society and we badly need another Thatcher or Pinochet in this country to crush the left finally.

you left out anti democratic

dudara

Doltanian wrote: »

And has no support from his party, Fianna Fail need to pull the plug on this charade excuse of a Government immediately to prevent a referendum taking place.

Why are you worried about a referendum taking place?

Go out there, campaign, do your best to convince others of your perspective. Then let the people vote. It's going to be close, no doubt about it, but at least we will find out the will of the people, one way or the other.

murpho999

Doltanian wrote: »

What about the babies themselves, they are too young and unable to march themselves, as a Conservative, Anti-EU, Anti-Feminst, Pro-Trump, Anti-Marxist I will vote against Abortion. Yes to killing babies but no to killing pedophiles and murderers. Leftwing politics is the biggest cancer on society and we badly need another Thatcher or Pinochet in this country to crush the left finally.

At least you're pro democracy and will respect the result I hope.

I don't get why people want children born to people who are capable at the time to offer the love and support it needs.

Or to neglect the needs of the pregnant lady both mentally and physically.

I strongly believe that abortion is a highly personal choice of the woman who will be going through a highly difficult and personal crisis of which you or I have no real right to say that she should be denied the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

baylah17

Doltanian wrote: »

Bannasidhe wrote: »

All those women marching in support of Repeal are EU Paymasters?!?!?! :eek:

Wait a second... that makes me an EU Paymaster....

#mindblown.

What about the babies themselves

They are not babies just feotuses

Kurtosis

drkpower wrote: »

Sorry to distract you. It's an interesting aside of some passing relevance. You don't have to engage with it.

It's of fairly limited relevance when the scenario you describe is not possible under the proposed changes, as well as being incredibly unlikely even if was possible.

It's important to make it clear when a hypothetical is being discussed, otherwise it can easily muddy the waters, especially with the prevailing "voting for uncertainty" and "slippery slope" narratives.

murpho999

Doltanian wrote: »

I never thought I'd see the day that I am supporting Fianna Fail again, well done FG you have hit a fresh low, the lowest you could possible go in the murder and genocide of defenceless babies to satisfy the EU paymasters and George Soros.

You really should look up the meaning of the word genocide.

Have you not noticed that there are still plenty of people existing in countries that permit abortion?

drkpower

Kurtosis wrote: »

It's of fairly limited relevance when the scenario you describe is not possible under the proposed changes, as well as being incredibly unlikely even if was possible.

It's important to make it clear when a hypothetical is being discussed, otherwise it can easily muddy the waters, especially with the prevailing "voting for uncertainty" and "slippery slope" narratives.

I agree; that's why I used the word hypothetical a few times.

Jim Ellis

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Doltanian

dudara wrote: »

Why are you worried about a referendum taking place?

Go out there, campaign, do your best to convince others of your perspective. Then let the people vote. It's going to be close, no doubt about it, but at least we will find out the will of the people, one way or the other.

There should be referendum on killing innocent babies. Full Stop. Irish people are not capable of being trusted at the ballot box, they twice changed their minds on the EU and this campaign will be steamrolled by the left and SJW's. I stand with the Right and the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I am a young person and I always speak my mind and never hide what I believe.

homerjay2005

not sure how i will vote but have to say Varadker must now rank as the most progressive leader in our history.

he is a breath of fresh air.

ricero

If its all out open abortion then i think i will vote no.

The wording will be key. If its for severe disabilities and rape victims then i would consider voting yes.

[Deleted User]

Even we return a no vote the fact remains women will still get abortions abroad, I can understand people objecting to abortion but unless you are actively lobbying the UK government to block Irish women accessing abortions then it's a case of not on my doorstep and inflicting unnecessary hardships and suffering for them here by denying them access to abortion and forcing them go abroad.

Doltanian

murpho999 wrote: »

You really should look up the meaning of the word genocide.

Have you not noticed that there are still plenty of people existing in countries that permit abortion?

Lookup White Genocide, the population replacement agenda driven by the leftwing marxist organisations around the world to make European White people a minority and to end Anglo-American-European Hegemony in the world.

Itssoeasy

I'm listening to Ronan Mullen from earlier today on Sean O' rourke and surely the pro life side of the argument have a better spokesperson than him. I mean it's not his points it's the snarky tone he uses. It doesn't help in any way.

Edit: Also the fact he worked for the Catholic Church will not help people who for whatever reason aren't fans of the Catholic Church when he talks about respect for children and women. The Catholic Church hasn't had a stellar history in this regard.

eviltwin

ricero wrote: »

If its all out open abortion then i think i will vote no.

The wording will be key. If its for severe disabilities and rape victims then i would consider voting yes.

You cannot allow abortion in the case of rape without allowing it for all.

Bannasidhe

Doltanian wrote: »

There should be referendum on killing innocent babies. Full Stop. Irish people are not capable of being trusted at the ballot box, they twice changed their minds on the EU and this campaign will be steamrolled by the left and SJW's. I stand with the Right and the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I am a young person and I always speak my mind and never hide what I believe.

You mean a referendum on whether or not the 8th Amendment is kept or repealed?
Who do you suppose should vote in this referendum of young person who speaks your mind?

murpho999

ricero wrote: »

If its all out open abortion then i think i will vote no.

The wording will be key. If its for severe disabilities and rape victims then i would consider voting yes.

It will be to repeal the 8th.

Simple as that.

Legislation will then decide the terms afterwards.

I don't get why a rape victim's child is ok to be aborted but not that of an unwanted crisis pregnancy. I don't see the difference.

SusieBlue

Doltanian wrote: »

There should be referendum on killing innocent babies. Full Stop. Irish people are not capable of being trusted at the ballot box, they twice changed their minds on the EU and this campaign will be steamrolled by the left and SJW's. I stand with the Right and the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I am a young person and I always speak my mind and never hide what I believe.

How anyone could stand behind the RCC after the atrocities they committed on the citizens of this country (particularly women, children born out of wedlock, and gay people) is absolutely abhorrent to me.

murpho999

Doltanian wrote: »

Lookup White Genocide, the population replacement agenda driven by the leftwing marxist organisations around the world to make European White people a minority and to end Anglo-American-European Hegemony in the world.

Sorry but you're talkng absolute sh1te.

Women don't have abortions because of Marxist plots.

kenmc

ricero wrote: »

If its all out open abortion then i think i will vote no.

The wording will be key. If its for severe disabilities and rape victims then i would consider voting yes.

Why? I'm not yet seeing the part where abortion will be compulsory for all, not just for rape victims, severe disabilities etc...

[Deleted User]

Weren't the RCC only the other day trying to link legalising abortion to the opening of a door to euthanasia for the elderly and people with disabilities.

EDIT: I'm really not looking forward to this campaign , my eyes will be rolling in my head so fast it'll look like they are still

Itssoeasy

Deleted User wrote: »

Weren't the RCC only the other day trying to link legalising abortion to the opening of a door euthanasia of the elderly and people with disabilities.

Well it was mentioned in the Sean o rourke show today with Ronan Mullen and it did seem a bit extreme of a point to make, and not based on any facts that I could see.

ricero

kenmc wrote: »

Why? I'm not yet seeing the part where abortion will be compulsory for all, not just for rape victims, severe disabilities etc...

Abortion cannot be used as a form of contraception. Society cannot become a place without responsibilities and abortion a way out for people who dont use contraceptive methods when practicising sex.

Jim Ellis

Deleted User wrote: »

Weren't the RCC only the other day trying to link legalising abortion to the opening of a door to euthanasia for the elderly and people with disabilities.

They have a point. Morals and value of human life are slowly being eroded in society. The right-on liberals will find something else to focus their attention on after this referendum is passed.

Soulsun

What date will the referendum likely be?

Arghus

Soulsun wrote: »

What date will the referendum likely be?

End of May.

The bull****!t's goanna be non-stop until then.