The idiots behind sulky racing

Ralf and Florian · 23-01-2018 10:17PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

In years to come, if we decide to create a virtual capsule of what life was like on boards in 2018, one of the first items will be a screen capture of a traveller thread on the front page of After Hours with between 150-3000 replies and the word Conor74 displayed in the Last Post column.

He didn't have the last word on the Louise O Neill thread. Pwned good and proper.

Vronsky · 23-01-2018 10:40PM

I LOVE LIMERICK LIFE wrote: »

Do people expect unarmed Gardai to arrest a hundred PAs armed with slashhooks, bars, golf clubs, while they have a baton and pepper spray.

Any Garda raid on a site has to have loads of units, riot squad, dog unit they're meet with that much hostility.

Yes I do.

I expect the gardai to arrest those that break the law, and the courts to punish them.

I LOVE LIMERICK LIFE · 23-01-2018 10:48PM

Vronsky wrote: »

Yes I do.

I expect the gardai to arrest those that break the law, and the courts to punish them.

You're expecting a bit much there, they're people too and need to think of their own safety.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-01-2018 10:55PM

I LOVE LIMERICK LIFE wrote: »

You're expecting a bit much there, they're people too and need to think of their own safety.

So the law only applies when they are shooting fish in a barrel the difficult stuff that effects your average person they throw their hands up

Sure it's a only a "civil matter" is their response

This is why faith in the gardai has collapsed

Captain Obvious · 23-01-2018 10:59PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So the law only applies when they are shooting fish in a barrel the difficult stuff that effects your average person they throw their hands up

Sure it's a only a "civil matter" is their response

This is why faith in the gardai has collapsed

Just out of curiosity, when it comes to sulky racing, what particular law are you suggesting they enforce?

I LOVE LIMERICK LIFE · 23-01-2018 11:06PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So the law only applies when they are shooting fish in a barrel the difficult stuff that effects your average person they throw their hands up

Sure it's a only a "civil matter" is their response

This is why faith in the gardai has collapsed

Gardai are under resourced ill equipped and unarmed, and the gardai sent to these sulky races are outnumbered straight away while they block the racers to get the horse and racers into horse boxes and recklessly speed off.

All the units are needed when they raid a site what do you think 2 guards can do in a hyanda i40.

They the guards personnal safety is paramount noone want needs to be a hero.

Cookie_Monster · 23-01-2018 11:23PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, when it comes to sulky racing, what particular law are you suggesting they enforce?

careless driving (following vehicles)
dangerous driving (following vehicles)
animal cruelty
reckless endangerment

It's not like there isn't a lot of relevant laws to choose from

23-01-2018 11:58PM

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

He didn't have the last word on the Louise O Neill thread. Pwned good and proper.

I think the people "pwned" might be those frothing every time she types a sentence! You can only laugh at them, they hang off her every word and it upsets them so much, it's amusing.

vicwatson · 23-01-2018 11:59PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

This video is a few years old, but it really highlights the utter madness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuMS3WRGIvQ

The wild west on overdrive, shocking stuff this.

wotswattage · 24-01-2018 12:12AM

Sometimes there aren't even sulkies involved,
just 'chasing' -though I actually have no idea whats going on here other than overtaking on double white lines around a blind bend with a puncture...

Vronsky · 24-01-2018 12:23AM

I LOVE LIMERICK LIFE wrote: »

You're expecting a bit much there, they're people too and need to think of their own safety.

It's not as if this is a one off occurrence on the N20. The gardai should have an action plan in place to mobilise quickly and put an end to this once and for all. Send the ringleaders to prison for 5 years minimum and confiscate and crush all vehicles taking part in illegal road racing and see this culture off.

Rumpy Pumpy · 24-01-2018 12:26AM

I blame the welfare state for much of what has happened to the Traveller community. Endless handouts has made a once rich nuance of Irish life into a culture that now clashes with everything that a society should aspire to.

There's such despondency on both sides to be honest.

I LOVE LIMERICK LIFE · 24-01-2018 12:31AM

Vronsky wrote: »

It's not as if this is a one off occurrence on the N22. The gardai should have an action plan in place to mobilise quickly and put an end to this once and for all. Send the ringleaders to prison for 5 years minimum and confiscate and crush all vehicles taking part in illegal road racing and see this culture off.

Now that's a good idea but resources are already stretched to the max I would like what you suggested to happen but doubt it ever will.

Operation Trit trot.

Liamario · 24-01-2018 12:31AM

They're a law onto themselves. They (some travellers, not all) want all the benefits of Irish society and none of the negatives. This is further reinforced by the total lack of arrests and enforcements against them.
What more can be said about it. We've a culture of 'leave well enough alone'.

24-01-2018 06:56AM

Grandeeod wrote: »

This video is a few years old, but it really highlights the utter madness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuMS3WRGIvQ

The absolute state of them at the end.. I can't imagine being such a shlte person.

24-01-2018 07:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The absolute state of them at the end.. I can't imagine being such a shlte person.

If you want to say "subhuman" just say it.

nullzero · 24-01-2018 08:05AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you want to say "subhuman" just say it.

You're a class act.

Irish Guitarist · 24-01-2018 08:22AM

weisses wrote: »

In Ireland you mean ?

Pretty common on the mainland

https://thehague4you.wordpress.com/2017/08/30/duindigt-race-track-at-wassenaar/

Okay then, I'll rephrase that. It's ridiculous to claim that sulky racing on Irish roads through traffic rather than some organised event on a track isn't unique to travellers.

Discodog · 24-01-2018 08:24AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So the law only applies when they are shooting fish in a barrel the difficult stuff that effects your average person they throw their hands up

Sure it's a only a "civil matter" is their response

This is why faith in the gardai has collapsed

Maybe we "the ordinary people" should take a case as we are the one's being discriminated against. It's totally unacceptable to have a section of the community who are immune from the law.

You can't blame people for breaking the law if there are no consequences.

Klinkhammer · 24-01-2018 08:27AM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Okay then, I'll rephrase that. It's ridiculous to claim that sulky racing on Irish roads through traffic rather than some organised event on a track isn't unique to travellers.

You're still wrong but that's obviously not going to stop you.

Grab All Association · 24-01-2018 08:32AM

I know families of settled travellers who get treated like sh** by everyone here in Tipperary. They don’t steal, commit crimes or engage in any antisocial behaviour but are tarred with the same brush. It’s not fair but is understandable.

It’s mostly to do with behaviour like this from these idiots. This is not a culture it’s 100% pure antisocial scumbags.

Around 90% of the drug trade in Thurles is controlled by two traveller families housed by what was formerly Thurles Town Council.

One of the decent families above was driven out of the estate with violence and intimidation.

Their eldest daughter was bright and intelligent and doing a VEC course. Sons were working with local contractors. They’ve relocated somewhere in the southeast.

Try to remember though its not only the likes of us their behaviour affects. It’s other members of their own community too. Tackling this behaviour would make the lives of other decent traveller families a lot easier.

24-01-2018 08:34AM

nullzero wrote: »

You're a class act.

He was branding a group of people he doesn't know as inferior.

I was commenting on his post. And the best you can do is very lame ad hominem...

Captain Obvious · 24-01-2018 09:11AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

animal cruelty
reckless endangerment

It's not like there isn't a lot of relevant laws to choose from

You say that but the article linked earlier about the boy killed on the sulky had the coroners court recommending legislation be introduced to cover sulkies. The fact is there are a lack of relevant laws to cover it. You're trying to fit it into other laws. Animal cruelty would be difficult to prove and is rarely punished by courts. Endangerment would also be a difficult prosecution. Are two horses going fast on a road to be considered endangerment? The endangerment comes from those around them. It's the races themselves that need to be stopped though.

And that's putting aside the resource issue. It's not like these races are advertised outside the community so how do you arrange for enough Gardaí to be on duty and in the right area to stop a race?

animaal · 24-01-2018 09:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

He was branding a group of people he doesn't know as inferior.

I was commenting on his post. And the best you can do is very lame ad hominem...

To be fair, I think you may be misinterpreting things.

The absolute state of them at the end.. I can't imagine being such a shlte person.

(My emphasis)

In a comment on a particular video clip, "them" refers to the people in the clip. And "such a shlte person" is unlikely to refer to a different/wider group.

Ri_Nollaig · 24-01-2018 10:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

He was branding a group of people he doesn't know as inferior.

I was commenting on his post. And the best you can do is very lame ad hominem...

He is branding the people in the video as "shlte person" and he is right, they are!
I think you might be just champing at the bit to use the 'thats racist' card.

24-01-2018 10:23AM

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

He is branding the people in the video as 'sub human' and he is right, they are!
I think you might be just champing at the bit to use the 'thats racist' card.

Some of that group are children who could not possibly be complicit in any way. Let's be honest, he thinks they are "sh1te people" because of who they are.

wexie · 24-01-2018 10:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some of that group are children who could not possibly be complicit in any way. He thinks they are "sh1te people" because of who they are.

Not because of what they were doing no?

You're absolutely right those poor kids probably didn't have much of a say in whether or not they were there.

But....behaviour like that (ie. having a race like that down a dual carriageway, going against traffic, ignoring the guards, pushing other people off the roads etc etc) is pure and simple scumbaggery.

Personally what struck me as most upsetting about that video is that by the end of it there wasn't a gard to be seen....

Ri_Nollaig · 24-01-2018 10:30AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some of that group are children who could not possibly be complicit in any way. He thinks they are "sh1te people" because of who they are.

Once again, it doesn't take a genius to realise he is referring to the people who are partaking/organising this 'event' and not any children who obviously are just being told what to do.

Its their actions that people have a problem with, not "because of who they are".

24-01-2018 10:33AM

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

Once again, it doesn't take a genius to realise he is referring to the people who are partaking/organising this 'event' and not any children who obviously are just being told what to do.

Its their actions that people have a problem with, not "because of who they are".

So if someone looks at, say, a group of black people and says "sh1te people", you would say well it's fair enough, some might be engaged in crime?

Come off it.

Penn · 24-01-2018 10:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So if someone looks at, say, a group of black people and says "sh1te people", you would say well it's fair enough, some might be engaged in crime?

Come off it.

If the black people were engaging in something illegal which was putting other people's lives in danger as well as their own, "sh1te people" would be an entirely fair thing to say about those specific people, not their ethnicity as a whole.

It's not that "some might be engaged in crime", it's that the exact people being referred to were engaged in crime.

There is simply no defending what those exact people featured in the video were doing. They are, demonstrably, sh1te people.

The idiots behind sulky racing

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