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Has anyone been in this position ?

  • 18-01-2018 06:00PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 9


    At present my partner is getting increasingly violent, volatile moods and paranoid behaviour.
    I have thought of going to a women's refuge only I have pets who are like family I have had them that long, also I need to go somewhere permanent not for a short time.
    I wouldn't be able to get a barring order as he has a lot of friends and family in the area so if I did that I would need to contend with them, and be harrassed as has happened in the past when we broke up.
    I lost my job as he would phone up checking if I was there if I asked him not to phone he would accuse me of not wanting him to find out that I wasn't there, that I was somewhere else sleeping with someone else.
    He threatened to kill me when he suspected I was wanting to leave him before.
    My doctor is keeping track of injuries he has caused to me for if ever I am in a position to use the information.
    I can't get a transfer as whoever moved in here he could ask where I am, also I dont think they do inter county transfers anymore.
    I just feel totaly stuck and dont know what I can do to get away.
    Has anyone been in this situation and could tell me how they got away ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭koumi


    My doctor is keeping track of injuries he has caused to me for if ever I am in a position to use the information.
    Would your doctor be aware of the situation and be able to advise? If someone has caused you physical injury which has required medical attention is that not a good enough position to use that information? I'm sorry a bit confused atm, just can't figure out when if not now you would ever be in a position. (Is your doctor waiting for you make complaint to Gardai?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    sounds very serious, I'd get on to one of the help lines that deal with this area.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Beckie72


    koumi wrote: »
    Would your doctor be aware of the situation and be able to advise? If someone has caused you physical injury which has required medical attention is that not a good enough position to use that information? I'm sorry a bit confused atm, just can't figure out when if not now you would ever be in a position. (Is your doctor waiting for you make complaint to Gardai?)
    My doctor is waiting for me to make a complaint to the gardai,once im in a place of safety ot at a safe enough distance to make the complaint,then my doctor can forward the medical information onto the garda.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Beckie72


    ....... wrote: »
    Have you any good friends or family who would take you and the pets?

    Or just the pets, then you could go to a womans refuge?

    Regarding the pets, a local animal charity might be able to find you a fosterer for a period of time until you get things sorted out.

    Unfortunately id be to scared for my family to get them involved and he has distanced me from friends, making sure they knew they weren't wanted at the house or following me when I was meeting them letting them know he didn't trust them.
    Thinking they would convince me to leave him


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭koumi


    Beckie72 wrote: »
    My doctor is waiting for me to make a complaint to the gardai,once im in a place of safety ot at a safe enough distance to make the complaint,then my doctor can forward the medical information onto the garda.

    That's good to hear, I hope you get somewhere safe to stay. I know that you love your animals but maybe something short term for both of ye would help get things in motion for the longer term. I know I would love to give my animals a short holiday treat every now and again, some places have emergency accommodation and foster care facilities available in such situations, maybe you could look into those options and avail of short term accommodation for yourself in the meantime. It might be extreme but even if it meant travelling to a neighboring county until you were in a better position.
    Do you have savings or access to lending facilities? Always helps to have a rainy day fund in these kind of situations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Phone women’s aid NOW!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    As above an animal charity may be able to help you with the animals by finding you a fosterer. Phone woman's aid and talk to them, they won't put you under pressure and will help you make a decision in your own time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Beckie72


    Phone women’s aid NOW!

    I have been talking to them in the past, but with the situation being so complex I just really need information as to how I could move to another part of the country, I unfortunately dont have savings as he deals with the money,paying bills etc since I had to give my job up.
    I cant leave my pets as he has said in the past he would get them put down if I were to leave, and I know he is unstable enough to do this.
    Id be worried about going into a refuge then being told I had to come back here by the council, that they would simply get him out then send me back thinking that would be the end of it all,because it would all kick off badly if they did that.
    Which is why im hoping someone on here might have been in this position before and might be able to offer me a ray of hope, that there is a chance of a fresh start and peace somewhere and sometime in the future, just so I can go another day or week of this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭koumi


    I was in that situation many years ago, fortunately I had enough savings and used deposit of my rented accommodation to buy ticket to leave the country. I'm not sure I would recommend doing that without having good support structures in place, I had a young child with me at the time too which probably made things more complicated.

    I don't know why but I always keep mind of such things and recently felt the need to up and move away again and discovered Wwoofing (working on organic farms) which is something I figured had it been available to me back then I'd definitely have jumped on as an alternative get away plan. There's an Irish website, lots of places available and you can make arrangements in advance, depending on what suits you the best. Accommodation, food, a safe space far away where no one can find you if thy don't have to and the idea of being engulfed in nature at it's finest would definitely help soothe some of the pain.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    As mentioned ask an animal charity for help with a foster family for your pets. I have pets and know how theyre like family, most people with pets feel the same and would take really good care of yours as im sure theyd understand your attachment.
    Can you reach out to old friends/family? anyone in your life with half a brain would help you out in this situation. If a friend from 20 years ago popped up out of the blue asking for a place to stay to get out of a horrific situation like the one youre in id help them out in a second. Surely your old friends wouldnt turn their backs on you and whats the harm in asking? call when your partners not home, delete the call history. What about extended family? could you stay with a cousin, aunt or uncle? Someone your partner wouldnt know too well?

    Youre in an abusive relationship and you can't stay there, do whatever it takes to get out. x


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭charlietheminxx


    I had a friend who got out of an abusive relationship last year. Like yourself, he had distanced her from all her friends and I hadn’t seen her in 3 years. I was still there for here the weekend she left him. Your friends probably know he was the problem and maybe get in touch with one he wouldn’t know much about (where they live etc.) and see if they can help. You just have to get yourself and your pets out of there. Nobody will force you to go back, especially with the evidence you have.

    There’s some great advice above OP. Just know you’re not alone and you can get out of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭HelgaWard


    If you change nothing, nothing will change. You have to do something to get out of this situation. Ask your family/friend for help. You owe it to yourself. Be brave and go for it. You are full of excuses at the minute, it's a new year, give yourself a new start.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Beckie72


    HelgaWard wrote: »
    If you change nothing, nothing will change. You have to do something to get out of this situation. Ask your family/friend for help. You owe it to yourself. Be brave and go for it. You are full of excuses at the minute, it's a new year, give yourself a new start.

    Unfortunately they aren't excuses, but the facts, and anyone who has been in touch with womens aid will tell you, the time that someone decides to make the move is the most dangerous and so that is why I have to be careful and check and double check every eventuality.
    I also know from personal experience of ladies who left to go into women's refuges only for the council to return them to there home after moving the husband out of the house, due to it stating on the lease form this was what would happen in the event of marriage breakdown.
    So no, not excuses, I am simply trying to clarify from anyone if they have been in this situation and been able to move away and stay away, having spoken to women's aid and my doctor, my doctor is all for me going but same as myself can't figure out how.
    My friends from the past now look at me like dirt under their feet and cross the road, and the only family I have he knows of.
    But thank you so very much for all your replies,it means so much that you have taken the time to give me help and advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭nikkibikki


    Can you contact the housing section of your county council and explain the situation? You need to go somewhere where he can't find you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Beckie72 wrote: »
    I cant leave my pets as he has said in the past he would get them put down if I were to leave, and I know he is unstable enough to do this.

    And he knows this, and knows you know it so as long as this is the situation you are stuck OP. Take the advice people have offered here and contact animal groups and see if you can have the animals fostered until you are able to retrieve them - better to have them away from you and safe then at risk from an unstable person. You don't have access to money and can't take them to a womens shelter so you need to re-home them. It will require planning but have them rehomed the same day you leave, go to a shelter and work with womans aid to get yourself rehomed far away from him and then get your animals back.

    Don't sit waiting for another option to pop OP, get out now before he hurts the animals or you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Hello there.

    First off well done on working up the courage.

    You should do the following

    1. Contact women's aid. They will be able to assist you
    2. Contact the guards and have a plan put in place for you to leave. Ask the Doctor to forward the medical information to them
    3. Contact a solicitor. They will be able to advise you on a barring order/ protection order.
    4. Contact your family. He has isolated you from them but they are the safest place to be.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Beckie72


    Hello there.

    First off well done on working up the courage.

    You should do the following

    1. Contact women's aid. They will be able to assist you
    2. Contact the guards and have a plan put in place for you to leave. Ask the Doctor to forward the medical information to them
    3. Contact a solicitor. They will be able to advise you on a barring order/ protection order.
    4. Contact your family. He has isolated you from them but they are the safest place to be.

    If I were to stay here my life would be hell, his family would see to that, when we split for a short time a few years ago the threats and abuse was terrible, even broken Windows and slashed car tires.
    So if I was to get a barring order against him I couldn't get one against the whole family, which is what I would be up against, which is why I need to move somewhere he wouldn't be able to find me.
    I wont put my family in danger by going to them, I cant go into details on here but im not exaggerating when I say his temper is very bad which is why my doctor and women's aid have said to proceed very very carefully as I was able to go into proper details with them.
    I will go to the garda over the injuries he has caused but only when im at a safe distance and somewhere I know he cant find me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Beckie72


    And he knows this, and knows you know it so as long as this is the situation you are stuck OP. Take the advice people have offered here and contact animal groups and see if you can have the animals fostered until you are able to retrieve them - better to have them away from you and safe then at risk from an unstable person. You don't have access to money and can't take them to a womens shelter so you need to re-home them. It will require planning but have them rehomed the same day you leave, go to a shelter and work with womans aid to get yourself rehomed far away from him and then get your animals back.

    Don't sit waiting for another option to pop OP, get out now before he hurts the animals or you.
    Before I go into a refuge I am hoping to hear from other ladies who have been in my situation and not had to return to the same house they were living in, as the only people I have heard of in the past have had to do this, and I simply darent take that risk of having to return here.
    Im extremely aware of the housing situation in the country, and am only to aware that im lucky to have a house so my worry is going to the refuge then getting sent back being told I cant be rehoused.
    Thank you all for the suggestions of the farming only im a bit old for that but I am fully trained in another area not as strenuous as farming but where there are a lot of jobs going so once away I will be able to support myself.
    Its just the getting away and being able to set roots first that is the problem.
    But thankyou for all your support and advice it really does mean so much.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    OP I don't want to sound harsh but you seem to want everything to fall into place, and understandably so. However for your own personal safety, forget the pets, forget the job, forget about supporting yourself and get out. You never know when this is going to go that one step further which there is no coming back from.

    It's incredibly hard, but you need to get help and get out ASAP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Beckie72


    OP I don't want to sound harsh but you seem to want everything to fall into place, and understandably so. However for your own personal safety, forget the pets, forget the job, forget about supporting yourself and get out. You never know when this is going to go that one step further which there is no coming back from.

    It's incredibly hard, but you need to get help and get out ASAP.

    Not a hope that I would forget my pets, and no im not wanting everything to simply fall into place, you have no idea what I have been doing to build myself up to the point I can think about leaving or having things docuemented or finding information out.
    But thank you for your input no matter how wrong you are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Beckie72


    ....... wrote: »
    Try to secure a job in this and then get a houseshare for a few weeks til you sort out somewhere proper to rent.

    I cant secure a job in it until im away as I wouldn't be able to explain my absence to him when I went for an interview, and unfortunately not many house shares accept pets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Beckie72 wrote: »
    Not a hope that I would forget my pets, and no im not wanting everything to simply fall into place, you have no idea what I have been doing to build myself up to the point I can think about leaving or having things docuemented or finding information out.
    But thank you for your input no matter how wrong you are.

    I'm not wrong about you needing to get out. God forbid things go further than they have already and that's a real concern here given previous threats etc.

    Get on to the help lines suggested and get to safety.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭koumi


    Beckie I've been trying to gather my thoughts in the hope that I might have something to offer you from my experience and while I don't want to get into the bones of it, I think really if I were to give my younger self the same advice what I would say to her would be to go to the guards.

    My father had brought me to hospital where I received medical attention and following that to the local garda station, where despite my injuries I was reluctant to press charges. A female garda there took me into an interview room and was very kind and even though I refused to do anything, she didn't give up on me. In hindsight I wish I had followed her advice.

    She often came to see me at my place of work (I worked in a coffee shop so it wouldn't have been unusual to see customers I knew outside of work) and stayed on my case for a long time. I thought she was just a nice person, but she was genuinely concerned and it was her concern which led to his being cautioned. I had been unaware that he had been following me but they knew and because she had been keeping an eye on things was able to catch him in action. After that he left of his own accord, probably in order to avoid prosecution and I was able to return home and lived in safety after that.

    So what I would say to my younger self knowing what I know now is to trust the gaurds, I really hope that you will find one who was as exceptional as the one who's concern allowed me to raise my daughter free of a life of violence and abuse.
    I don't know if this will help, but I hope it encourages you to consider all the options.
    (also, I did have to leave for a couple of months until he had left but it was a relief to get away during that time. Some of the wwoofers are allowed to bring pets btw and the work, while physical isn't too laborious, no more so than maybe the type that you would in your own garden)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    Becky. Well done getting this far. please give http://clarehaven.ie/ a call. I have been very reliably told that they are the best DV group in Ireland. They will be able to advise you of your rights and how to get the help and support you need.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    Beckie72 wrote: »
    I cant secure a job in it until im away as I wouldn't be able to explain my absence to him when I went for an interview, and unfortunately not many house shares accept pets.

    Would you be willing to put your pets in foster care until you can find another place of your own? Just that one question for now leaving aside everything else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭AtticusFinch86


    My wife works as a domestic violence support worker. She has quite a lot of experience advising people in your situation. You should contact the local domestic violence service and speak with them. Many of them (if not all) offer anonymous out reach programs where you can meet a support worker in person at a location of your choosing and discuss your situation with them. They have seen it all before and can advise you on coping mechanisms, planning your exit, financial support and advice, and other nuances (e.g. What to do with your pets). This can all be done discreetly, your husband need not find out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Beckie72 wrote: »
    Not a hope that I would forget my pets

    OP several people have now asked about putting the pets into foster care but you've not commented on this. If you care about the animals you would remove them from the situation. You have stated your OH has threatened them as a way to control you. Why would you risk their safety?


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