The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

end of the road · 08-01-2018 09:26PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

No it is not. That's how YOU label a pregnancy. An inconvenience to bear until the child is born.

No person with compassion or empathy would call a pregnancy an inconvenience no matter what side people are on.

so what is a pregnancy that isn't wanted then if it's not an inconvenience?
cards on the table i don't like pregnancy being described as an inconvenience myself as, it's nature, however going on the poster's point, he is just talking in terms of how part of the pro-choice/abortion movement try to make pregnancy out to be as such in the aim of trying to get abortion on demand legislated for.

January · 08-01-2018 09:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

so what is a pregnancy that isn't wanted then if it's not an inconvenience?
cards on the table i don't like pregnancy being described as an inconvenience myself as, it's nature, however going on the poster's point, he is just talking in terms of how part of the pro-choice/abortion movement try to make pregnancy out to be as such in the aim of trying to get abortion on demand legislated for.

In my case it was a crisis. Not an inconvenience.

end of the road · 08-01-2018 09:34PM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

So yeah. It’s clear now that you hate women.

oh come on. there is no need for these hysterical claims. they are unnecessary and they do nothing for the debate. if there were people on here who hate women i'd be the first to call them out on it and i'd enjoy every moment of it.
disagreeing with abortion on demand doesn't mean people hate women.

eviltwin · 08-01-2018 09:34PM

An inconvenience is getting a flat tyre, missing the bus, forgetting your wallet.....

A pregnancy you don't want is far more than an inconvenience, as January said it's a crisis.

Da Boss · 08-01-2018 09:39PM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

What you replied was a cop out. Your original post was completely targeted at and focused on how it’s tough sh*t on the woman and she should know better and she should suffer the consequences.

I wanted to know what you feel should happen to the man and you basically replied with a cop out.

I’m sure you don’t need me to tell you that a man can walk away from a pregnancy far easier than a woman can. You know, cos the baby is actually inside her. The man can just sail of into the sunset and there isn’t a whole lot the woman can do bar chase him for maintenance.

So yeah. It’s clear now that you hate women.

I don’t see your point, if a woman is willing to consent to sex she must be aware of risk of pregnancy and be willing to take risk. If a pregnancy occurs it would be unfortunate for the woman should she not plan it but it’s the risk she takes, it’s not a punishment and the man doesn’t need to recieivr a punishment, nor the woman. However I’d hope a man wouldn’t just walk away on the woman, if he does it gives us men a bad name I think

Fred Swanson · 08-01-2018 09:43PM

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Da Boss · 08-01-2018 09:47PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I’m not dictating anyone, I just hold the belief that nobody has the right to end the life of another, Be in the unborn or anyone.

Billy86 · 08-01-2018 09:48PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

And still, still we get the pro-life crew pointing to reports about Savita's death and claiming that the 8th is not to blame, that the staff missed A or B and didn't do X and Y and that it would all have been grand if they had.

Entirely missing the point that A, B, X and Y should have been irrelevant - as soon as staff decided that the pregnancy was ending in miscarriage and the fetus could not be saved, their focus should shift entirely to the mother's health.

While here, even now, even today, they must play Russian Roulette with the woman's health until her life is demonstrably at risk. The stuff in the reports, X and Y and so forth, is about how they might have decided her life was at risk earlier than they did which is entirely beside the point that without the 8th, they would not have to wait for that condition in the first place.

Let's not forget the pregnant zombie whose whole family, father-to-be included were pleading, eagerly pleading for the horror show to end while their former lover/daughter because a freak of modern science, an essentially rotting corpse being kept pumped with fluids to keep a pulse going in hopes of being able to rip whatever remained inside of her.

She sheer unadulterated terror and revulsion from friends abroad that I showed that story to I don't think I've seen from any of them before. It really was creepy enough as to be directly out of a David Cronenberg film.

NuMarvel · 08-01-2018 09:53PM

end of the road wrote: »

so what is a pregnancy that isn't wanted then if it's not an inconvenience?
cards on the table i don't like pregnancy being described as an inconvenience myself as, it's nature, however going on the poster's point, he is just talking in terms of how part of the pro-choice/abortion movement try to make pregnancy out to be as such in the aim of trying to get abortion on demand legislated for.

Siri, find me examples of when EOTR referred to pregnancy or having a baby as an inconvenience in this thread.

end of the road wrote: »

...being pregnant while it may be inconvenient...

end of the road wrote: »

they are doing it because the pregnancy is inconvenient to them.

end of the road wrote: »

...said right outweighs someone's non-existant/imaginary right to kill it just because it's inconvenient...

A look through the thread finds that inconvenience is most often used by anti-repealers, not pro choicers. Presumably in an attempt to portray a woman who chooses an abortion as being lazy or selfish, which is once again basically saying, you don't trust women.

end of the road · 08-01-2018 09:54PM

eviltwin wrote: »

An inconvenience is getting a flat tyre, missing the bus, forgetting your wallet.....

A pregnancy you don't want is far more than an inconvenience, as January said it's a crisis.

not one requireing abortion as the solution in itself however.

NuMarvel · 08-01-2018 09:57PM

eviltwin wrote: »

An inconvenience is getting a flat tyre, missing the bus, forgetting your wallet.....

A pregnancy you don't want is far more than an inconvenience, as January said it's a crisis.

Maybe EOTR and DB think the Crisis Pregnancy service should be renamed the Inconvenient Pregnancy Service?

Martina1991 · 08-01-2018 09:57PM

Da Boss wrote:

I donâ€™t see your point, if a woman is willing to consent to sex she must be aware of risk of pregnancy and be willing to take risk. If a pregnancy occurs it would be unfortunate for the woman should she not plan it but itâ€™s the risk she takes, itâ€™s not a punishment and the man doesnâ€™t need to recieivr a punishment, nor the woman. However Iâ€™d hope a man wouldnâ€™t just walk away on the woman, if he does it gives us men a bad name I think

Do you think people should only have sex for the purpose of procreation?

A woman faced with an unplanned pregnancy is a life changing distress.

It's a decision I'm sure no women takes lightly without serious consideration.

An unwanted unplanned pregnancy is a no win situation and I would not judge anyone for having an abortion or continuing the pregnancy.

Da Boss · 08-01-2018 10:01PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Do you think people should only have sex for the purpose of procreation?

A woman faced with an unplanned pregnancy is a life changing distress.

It's a decision I'm sure no women takes lightly without serious consideration.

An unwanted unplanned pregnancy is a no win situation and I would not judge anyone for having an abortion or continuing the pregnancy.

Well id judge someone differently if I knew they’d intentionally end the life of another, maybe that’s just me though

NuMarvel · 08-01-2018 10:03PM

end of the road wrote: »

not one requireing abortion as the solution in itself however.

Incorrect. A crisis pregnancy is any pregnancy "which is neither planned nor desired by the woman concerned, and which represents a personal crisis for her". And abortion is one of the choices that can be discussed during crisis pregnancy counseling.

end of the road · 08-01-2018 10:04PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Do you think people should only have sex for the purpose of procreation?

of course not.

Martina1991 wrote: »

A woman faced with an unplanned pregnancy is a life changing distress.

It's a decision I'm sure no women takes lightly without serious consideration.

An unwanted unplanned pregnancy is a no win situation and I would not judge anyone for having an abortion or continuing the pregnancy.

sure, however i don't see why, as well as being expected to put up with it if it was legislated for, i should be expected to pay for it as well.

NuMarvel · 08-01-2018 10:08PM

Da Boss wrote: »

Well id judge someone differently if I knew they’d intentionally end the life of another, maybe that’s just me though

I don't think anyone who's gone through a crisis pregnancy is going to care what you think.

08-01-2018 10:11PM

Da Boss wrote: »

When a couple or whoever have protected sex, risk of pregnancy is always there. It’s made clear on a box of condoms, and the getting pregnant,as unlikely as it is, is the risk you take.therefore if you take the risk you have to be willing to accept the resulting child should it happen. No doubt pregnancy may be an inconvenience but that’s the case with every pregnancy, planned or not, that’s nature and nobody can change that. Regards the inconvenience, the life of the unborn child is much more important than avoiding a bit of inconvenience on the woman. Sure it’s unfortunate, but it’s a risk you take having sex.

I take it you're celibate?

eviltwin · 08-01-2018 10:13PM

end of the road wrote: »

not one requireing abortion as the solution in itself however.

And who are you to say that? Do you know what's right for every pregnant woman? Myself and January have both spoken about our experience with abortion and how it was the right one for us. Now I know you don't agree with those choices and that's fair enough, but don't presume you have the authority to tell either of us it wasn't the best solution for our unique circumstances.

end of the road · 08-01-2018 10:14PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

Siri, find me examples of when EOTR referred to pregnancy or having a baby as an inconvenience in this thread.

A look through the thread finds that inconvenience is most often used by anti-repealers, not pro choicers. Presumably in an attempt to portray a woman who chooses an abortion as being lazy or selfish, which is once again basically saying, you don't trust women.

some of the pro-choice/abortionists imply that it's an inconvenience, so i'm only going on the terms they use. the majority of those of us who are pro-apeal very much trust women, many are in fact women, however the unborn's right to life has to be protected.

NuMarvel wrote: »

Maybe EOTR and DB think the Crisis Pregnancy service should be renamed the Inconvenient Pregnancy Service?

no, it can call itself what it likes.

NuMarvel wrote: »

Incorrect. A crisis pregnancy is any pregnancy "which is neither planned nor desired by the woman concerned, and which represents a personal crisis for her". And abortion is one of the choices that can be discussed during crisis pregnancy counseling.

and if she really wants it she can get it in england.

Fred Swanson · 08-01-2018 10:16PM

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eviltwin · 08-01-2018 10:17PM

Da Boss wrote: »

Well id judge someone differently if I knew they’d intentionally end the life of another, maybe that’s just me though

Probably is just you. Most people, even those who don't agree with abortion, are wise and mature enough to know that life is not black and white and to appreciate the nuances that makes people choose what to do in a crisis pregnancy. You might get there yourself when you have a bit of life experience behind you.

end of the road · 08-01-2018 10:18PM

eviltwin wrote: »

And who are you to say that? Do you know what's right for every pregnant woman? Myself and January have both spoken about our experience with abortion and how it was the right one for us. Now I know you don't agree with those choices and that's fair enough, but don't presume you have the authority to tell either of us it wasn't the best solution for our unique circumstances.

killing the unborn is never the right solution unless in extreme circumstances. those who really want an abortion as i said can avail of it in the uk, so it's not needed here when the state is struggling to fund necessary services. not legislating for it would insure the 8th being repealed as most people agree the 8th as a whole has a lot of problems that need to be eradicated. abortion on demand isn't one of those problems however, the fact the 8th prohibits it within the state meaning it's not provided is a good thing for society and the unborn. the fact it is however provided in extreme circumstances is also a good thing.

eviltwin · 08-01-2018 10:20PM

end of the road wrote: »

killing the unborn is never the right solution unless in extreme circumstances. those who really want an abortion as i said can avail of it in the uk, so it's not needed here when the state is struggling to fund necessary services. not legislating for it would insure the 8th being repealed as most people agree the 8th as a whole has a lot of problems that need to be eradicated. abortion on demand isn't one of those problems however, the fact the 8th prohibits it within the state meaning it's not provided is a good thing for society and the unborn. the fact it is however provided in extreme circumstances is also a good thing.

"just get it in England"

Well done on making yourself look even more clueless than you already have.

08-01-2018 10:23PM

eviltwin wrote: »

"just get it in England"

Well done on making yourself look even more clueless than you already have.

ye. "I only care about the lives of the unborn if i have to pay for it otherwise"

Fred Swanson · 08-01-2018 10:24PM

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NuMarvel · 08-01-2018 10:26PM

end of the road wrote: »

killing the unborn is never the right solution unless in extreme circumstances. those who really want an abortion as i said can avail of it in the uk

The pro life hypocrisy boiled down to it's simplest form. Thanks for that.

Martina1991 · 08-01-2018 10:28PM

end of the road wrote:

and if she really wants it she can get it in england.

You have shown time and time again you only care about the life of unborn children in Ireland. You couldn't care less if abortions are carried out in England.

Therefore you don't care about the unborn in all situations.

You are just self righteous.

Da Boss · 08-01-2018 10:38PM

If a neighbour is being an “inconvenience “ , you cannot just end his life to sort things to suit yourself, so why is it people think that should the unborn be an “inconvenience “ they can just end their life to suit themselves . Neither are acceptable in any circumstances!! People who seek abortion are selfish and self centered

January · 08-01-2018 10:44PM

end of the road wrote: »

killing the unborn is never the right solution unless in extreme circumstances. those who really want an abortion as i said can avail of it in the uk, so it's not needed here when the state is struggling to fund necessary services. not legislating for it would insure the 8th being repealed as most people agree the 8th as a whole has a lot of problems that need to be eradicated. abortion on demand isn't one of those problems however, the fact the 8th prohibits it within the state meaning it's not provided is a good thing for society and the unborn. the fact it is however provided in extreme circumstances is also a good thing.

I couldn't afford to go to England. I couldn't afford to have another child. What would you have suggested for me?

uptherebels · 08-01-2018 10:44PM

end of the road wrote: »

and if she really wants it she can get it in england.

There's that good old nimbyism again

The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

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