The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

end of the road wrote: »

other parts of the maternity services would have to work with less though. unless the people having the abortion are told pay for it themselves.

The vast majority of abortions occur before 12 weeks and are handled by GPs.

end of the road wrote: »

other parts of the maternity services would have to work with less though. unless the people having the abortion are told pay for it themselves.

Nope. The money saved from women not actually going full term and giving birth will pay for the abortion services.

You've ignored my question by the way. I couldn't afford to go to England. I couldn't afford another child. What would your suggestion have been for me?

frag420

I have a question for EOTR - Abortion Supporter.

Do you have sex for fun or only just to procreate? Serious question...

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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because abortion outside extreme circumstances is an unnecessary procedure.

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet pro abortion movement seems to think cancer, MRSA , child cancer, lack of hospital beds comes in a distant second when it comes to abortion.

Yes you can get a 2 hour boat to liverpool to get an abortion yet you cant get a hospital bed for a Brain Tumor in Ireland. Children having to travel to the US for cancer treatment as we dont have it here. Who is marching for them.

How about we put abortion on the back burner for a few years and lets get the more important things sorted first.

exactly. i 100 % agree with this.

January wrote: »

Children in the UK have to travel for some forms of cancer treatment too. It's not a problem unique to Ireland.

Kids in Ireland have to travel to England to get any type of transplant too but sure I don't see anyone marching for that either...

Abortion services will be incorporated into maternity services. There won't need to be a budget increase for it.

other parts of the maternity services would have to work with less though. unless the people having the abortion are told pay for it themselves.

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet pro abortion movement seems to think cancer, MRSA , child cancer, lack of hospital beds comes in a distant second when it comes to abortion.

Yes you can get a 2 hour boat to liverpool to get an abortion yet you cant get a hospital bed for a Brain Tumor in Ireland. Children having to travel to the US for cancer treatment as we dont have it here. Who is marching for them.

How about we put abortion on the back burner for a few years and lets get the more important things sorted first.

I heard a variation of this during the marriage equality referendum. Funnily enough, all the people who said there were "more important" things to focus on have said or done nothing about those issues since the referendum.

If you think there should be marches on these or any other issues, there is nothing stopping you organising them. You'd probably even have at least a few pro choicers marching along side you.

frag420

end of the road wrote: »

killing the unborn is never the right solution unless in extreme circumstances. those who really want an abortion as i said can avail of it in the uk, so it's not needed here when the state is struggling to fund necessary services. not legislating for it would insure the 8th being repealed as most people agree the 8th as a whole has a lot of problems that need to be eradicated. abortion on demand isn't one of those problems however, the fact the 8th prohibits it within the state meaning it's not provided is a good thing for society and the unborn. the fact it is however provided in extreme circumstances is also a good thing.

Ok so now we know that you are not in the slightest bit against abortion. In fact you support the killing of the unborn by exporting the problem to the UK!!

From now on I shall refer to you as EOTR - Abortion Supporter!!

uptherebels

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yet pro abortion movement seems to think cancer, MRSA , child cancer, lack of hospital beds comes in a distant second when it comes to abortion.

Yes you can get a 2 hour boat to liverpool to get an abortion yet you cant get a hospital bed for a Brain Tumor in Ireland. Children having to travel to the US for cancer treatment as we dont have it here. Who is marching for them.

How about we put abortion on the back burner for a few years and lets get the more important things sorted first.

Really? Where did the pro choice side say any of those things come second? You see don't see any issue with claiming they should put looking for access to better medical care for pregnant woman on the back burner so they can get better medical care for others?

Da Boss wrote: »

If a neighbour is being an “inconvenience “ , you cannot just end his life to sort things to suit yourself, so why is it people think that should the unborn be an “inconvenience “ they can just end their life to suit themselves . Neither are acceptable in any circumstances!! People who seek abortion are selfish and self centered

Because being pregnant when you hadn't planned to be isn't an inconvenience. We've discussed this.

Da Boss wrote: »

If a neighbour is being an “inconvenience “ , you cannot just end his life to sort things to suit yourself, so why is it people think that should the unborn be an “inconvenience “ they can just end their life to suit themselves . Neither are acceptable in any circumstances!! People who seek abortion are selfish and self centered

This is a red herring, because women don't have abortions because being pregnant is inconvenient. That's just a strawman you built yourself to avoid discussing why women might choose to have an abortion.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yet pro abortion movement seems to think cancer, MRSA , child cancer, lack of hospital beds comes in a distant second when it comes to abortion.

Yes you can get a 2 hour boat to liverpool to get an abortion yet you cant get a hospital bed for a Brain Tumor in Ireland. Children having to travel to the US for cancer treatment as we dont have it here. Who is marching for them.

How about we put abortion on the back burner for a few years and lets get the more important things sorted first.

Children in the UK have to travel for some forms of cancer treatment too. It's not a problem unique to Ireland.

Kids in Ireland have to travel to England to get any type of transplant too but sure I don't see anyone marching for that either...

Abortion services will be incorporated into maternity services. There won't need to be a budget increase for it.

NuMarvel wrote: »

The pro life hypocrisy boiled down to it's simplest form. Thanks for that.

Yet pro abortion movement seems to think cancer, MRSA , child cancer, lack of hospital beds comes in a distant second when it comes to abortion.

Yes you can get a 2 hour boat to liverpool to get an abortion yet you cant get a hospital bed for a Brain Tumor in Ireland. Children having to travel to the US for cancer treatment as we dont have it here. Who is marching for them.

How about we put abortion on the back burner for a few years and lets get the more important things sorted first.

uptherebels

end of the road wrote: »

and if she really wants it she can get it in england.

There's that good old nimbyism again

end of the road wrote: »

killing the unborn is never the right solution unless in extreme circumstances. those who really want an abortion as i said can avail of it in the uk, so it's not needed here when the state is struggling to fund necessary services. not legislating for it would insure the 8th being repealed as most people agree the 8th as a whole has a lot of problems that need to be eradicated. abortion on demand isn't one of those problems however, the fact the 8th prohibits it within the state meaning it's not provided is a good thing for society and the unborn. the fact it is however provided in extreme circumstances is also a good thing.

I couldn't afford to go to England. I couldn't afford to have another child. What would you have suggested for me?

Da Boss

If a neighbour is being an “inconvenience “ , you cannot just end his life to sort things to suit yourself, so why is it people think that should the unborn be an “inconvenience “ they can just end their life to suit themselves . Neither are acceptable in any circumstances!! People who seek abortion are selfish and self centered

Martina1991

end of the road wrote:

and if she really wants it she can get it in england.

You have shown time and time again you only care about the life of unborn children in Ireland. You couldn't care less if abortions are carried out in England.

Therefore you don't care about the unborn in all situations.

You are just self righteous.

end of the road wrote: »

killing the unborn is never the right solution unless in extreme circumstances. those who really want an abortion as i said can avail of it in the uk

The pro life hypocrisy boiled down to it's simplest form. Thanks for that.

Fred Swanson

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eviltwin wrote: »

"just get it in England"

Well done on making yourself look even more clueless than you already have.

ye. "I only care about the lives of the unborn if i have to pay for it otherwise"

eviltwin

end of the road wrote: »

killing the unborn is never the right solution unless in extreme circumstances. those who really want an abortion as i said can avail of it in the uk, so it's not needed here when the state is struggling to fund necessary services. not legislating for it would insure the 8th being repealed as most people agree the 8th as a whole has a lot of problems that need to be eradicated. abortion on demand isn't one of those problems however, the fact the 8th prohibits it within the state meaning it's not provided is a good thing for society and the unborn. the fact it is however provided in extreme circumstances is also a good thing.

"just get it in England"

Well done on making yourself look even more clueless than you already have.

eviltwin wrote: »

And who are you to say that? Do you know what's right for every pregnant woman? Myself and January have both spoken about our experience with abortion and how it was the right one for us. Now I know you don't agree with those choices and that's fair enough, but don't presume you have the authority to tell either of us it wasn't the best solution for our unique circumstances.

killing the unborn is never the right solution unless in extreme circumstances. those who really want an abortion as i said can avail of it in the uk, so it's not needed here when the state is struggling to fund necessary services. not legislating for it would insure the 8th being repealed as most people agree the 8th as a whole has a lot of problems that need to be eradicated. abortion on demand isn't one of those problems however, the fact the 8th prohibits it within the state meaning it's not provided is a good thing for society and the unborn. the fact it is however provided in extreme circumstances is also a good thing.

eviltwin

Da Boss wrote: »

Well id judge someone differently if I knew they’d intentionally end the life of another, maybe that’s just me though

Probably is just you. Most people, even those who don't agree with abortion, are wise and mature enough to know that life is not black and white and to appreciate the nuances that makes people choose what to do in a crisis pregnancy. You might get there yourself when you have a bit of life experience behind you.

Fred Swanson

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NuMarvel wrote: »

Siri, find me examples of when EOTR referred to pregnancy or having a baby as an inconvenience in this thread.

A look through the thread finds that inconvenience is most often used by anti-repealers, not pro choicers. Presumably in an attempt to portray a woman who chooses an abortion as being lazy or selfish, which is once again basically saying, you don't trust women.

some of the pro-choice/abortionists imply that it's an inconvenience, so i'm only going on the terms they use. the majority of those of us who are pro-apeal very much trust women, many are in fact women, however the unborn's right to life has to be protected.

NuMarvel wrote: »

Maybe EOTR and DB think the Crisis Pregnancy service should be renamed the Inconvenient Pregnancy Service?

no, it can call itself what it likes.

NuMarvel wrote: »

Incorrect. A crisis pregnancy is any pregnancy "which is neither planned nor desired by the woman concerned, and which represents a personal crisis for her". And abortion is one of the choices that can be discussed during crisis pregnancy counseling.

and if she really wants it she can get it in england.

eviltwin

end of the road wrote: »

not one requireing abortion as the solution in itself however.

And who are you to say that? Do you know what's right for every pregnant woman? Myself and January have both spoken about our experience with abortion and how it was the right one for us. Now I know you don't agree with those choices and that's fair enough, but don't presume you have the authority to tell either of us it wasn't the best solution for our unique circumstances.

Da Boss wrote: »

When a couple or whoever have protected sex, risk of pregnancy is always there. It’s made clear on a box of condoms, and the getting pregnant,as unlikely as it is, is the risk you take.therefore if you take the risk you have to be willing to accept the resulting child should it happen. No doubt pregnancy may be an inconvenience but that’s the case with every pregnancy, planned or not, that’s nature and nobody can change that. Regards the inconvenience, the life of the unborn child is much more important than avoiding a bit of inconvenience on the woman. Sure it’s unfortunate, but it’s a risk you take having sex.

I take it you're celibate?

Da Boss wrote: »

Well id judge someone differently if I knew they’d intentionally end the life of another, maybe that’s just me though

I don't think anyone who's gone through a crisis pregnancy is going to care what you think.

Martina1991 wrote: »

Do you think people should only have sex for the purpose of procreation?

of course not.

Martina1991 wrote: »

A woman faced with an unplanned pregnancy is a life changing distress.

It's a decision I'm sure no women takes lightly without serious consideration.

An unwanted unplanned pregnancy is a no win situation and I would not judge anyone for having an abortion or continuing the pregnancy.

sure, however i don't see why, as well as being expected to put up with it if it was legislated for, i should be expected to pay for it as well.