Dublin GAA fundraise 6.3% of what Mayo do

Dots1982 · 04-01-2018 10:02pm #1

And spend 3 times as much on administration as Cork GAA do.

Wrote about Dublin’s GAA finances here https://veryintobloggingveryintonewmedia.wordpress.com/2018/01/01/dublin-gaa-finances-under-the-microscope/

Not sure if people just shrug their shoulders at these facts or just don’t care. But I feel it’s important to give the lie to the version we hear over the airwaves that “Dublin GAA do everything well”. Truth is they look to be doing things extremely badly looking at their accounts.

Stoner · 04-01-2018 11:10pm

Dots1982 wrote:

But I feel itâ€™s important to give the lie to the version we hear over the airwaves that â€œDublin GAA do everything wellâ€.

Do tell us more about your feelings.

ProudDUB · 04-01-2018 11:24pm

Of course our admin costs are highter than anyone elses. We've 87 silverware polishers on the pay roll. All those trophies won't clean themselves, ya know !

Bonniedog · 05-01-2018 12:05am

Dublin accounts are independently audited and freely available. Not some sort of fkn secret as OP implies.

What is next now? Jim Gavin is Martian left behind at Roswell?

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 12:11am

Bonniedog wrote: »

Dublin accounts are independently audited and freely available. Not some sort of fkn secret as OP implies.

What is next now? Jim Gavin is Martian left behind at Roswell?

Ok can you post 2017’s Dublin accounts then please?

Bonniedog · 05-01-2018 12:28am

No. Why would I? You are not a member of Dublin GAA. They were given to county convention delegates and club secretaries. You are just looking for another reason to attack us. Dublin admin costs as % are no different to any other county by the way. Mayo are exceptional in spending such a massive % on county senior football team. Dublin GAA is vast organisation and we field competitive teams in everything from underage Féile through all grades of football and hurling. Yours is just another sleeveen attempt to insinuate some sort of corruption.

Stoner · 05-01-2018 12:35am

Dots1982 wrote:

But I feel itâ€™s important to give the lie to the version we hear over the airwaves that â€œDublin GAA do everything wellâ€. Truth is they look to be doing things extremely badly looking at their accounts.

Ok can you please produce links to this version you've quoted as being heard over the airways.

Who has told this lie that you quoted.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 12:44am

Bonniedog wrote: »

No. Why would I? You are not a member of Dublin GAA.

Because literally 30 mins ago you said they were freely available? So you can’t back that up? So you were bullsh**ing?

Bonniedog · 05-01-2018 12:52am

Dots1982 wrote: »

Because literally 30 mins ago you said they were freely available? So you can’t back that up? So you were bullsh**ing?

You posted a link to Syls website which has full report of DCB finances As was given to every club in county! Whoever who are taking this from is making out that it is some sort of secret!

Accounts are all independently audited. Anyway, Costello fully addressed all of the snide insinuations in his report as county secretary. If Kimmage and others want to pursue some sort of agenda, they shall have to up their game

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 12:55am

Bonniedog wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

Because literally 30 mins ago you said they were freely available? So you can’t back that up? So you were bullsh**ing?

You posted a link to Syls website which has full report of DCB finances As was given to every club in county! Whoever who are taking this from is making out that it is some sort of secret!

Accounts are all independently audited. Anyway, Costello fully addressed all of the snide insinuations in his report as county secretary. If Kimmage and others want to pursue some sort of agenda, they shall have to up their game

So you can’t produce a link to the 2017accounts despite these account being freely available?

Stoner · 05-01-2018 12:57am

Dots1982 wrote:

Because literally 30 mins ago you said they were freely available? So you canâ€™t back that up? So you were bullsh**ing?

Can you back up your original post?

Are you auctually quoting somebody who said "Dublin GAA do everything well"

Or are you encapsulating a personal opinion you hold in inverted commas?

Bonniedog · 05-01-2018 1:03am

Dots1982 wrote: »

So you can’t produce a link to the 2017accounts despite these account being freely available?

Mother of god. Your OP has link to Sylvesters site that has the accounts that were given to every club in Dublin. What is your point? Read the jaysus thing.

corny · 05-01-2018 1:03am

Oh yay another Dublin finances thread.

Best of luck to both sides in the latest round of pointless 'debate'.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 1:07am

Bonniedog wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

So you can’t produce a link to the 2017accounts despite these account being freely available?

Mother of god. Your OP has link to Sylvesters site that has the accounts that were given to every club in Dublin. What is your point? Read the jaysus thing.

They are the 2016 accounts.

You said the accounts are freely available so please prove your point by showing a link to the 2017 accounts

Stoner · 05-01-2018 1:15am

Dots1982 wrote:

You said the accounts are freely available so please prove your point by showing a link to the 2017 accounts

You opened the thread with an
unsubstantiated comment.

You no basis to ask for proof of anything.

Now you want information from boards to feed your personal blog.

Bonniedog · 05-01-2018 1:19am

Why would the 2017 ones be any different? As corny says, it is a bit of a pointless debate, other than fact that there is clear agenda to impute wrong doing on part of DCB.

Costello faced all that up and there has been no response from the instigators.

PARlance · 05-01-2018 1:24am

There are going to be SFA 2017* audited accounts available at this stage ffs. We're barely a wet week into 2018. The auditors would have to be on performance enhancing spreadsheets to get them done.

Audited accounts are generally published and available about 9 months after the ending of the financial year.

*assuming a YE of 31/12/17

Spot the former accountant.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 1:27am

So I think we can judge from the responses that in fact the 2017 are not in fact available to the general public. That if it wasn’t for St Sylvester’s taking the random decision to post them online that the 2016 accounts wouldn’t be available either.

The Dublin GAA posted an 85 pages report on their website (http://uploads.dublingaa.ie/files/71035/report_2017_final.pdf) but decided not to include the financial report.

Just seems strange ..

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 1:29am

PARlance wrote: »

There are going to be SFA 2017* audited accounts available at this stage ffs. We're barely a wet week into 2018. The auditors would have to be on performance enhancing spreadsheets to get them done.

Audited accounts are generally published and available about 9 months after the ending of the financial year.

*assuming a YE of 31/12/17

Spot the former accountant.

The accounts have already been seen by a member of the press; https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/16m-from-sponsors-offsets-rising-costs-of-dublin-teams-36420098.html
So that excuse doesn’t stand up

PARlance · 05-01-2018 1:33am

Dots1982 wrote: »

The accounts have already been seen by a member of the press; https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/16m-from-sponsors-offsets-rising-costs-of-dublin-teams-36420098.html
So that excuse doesn’t stand up

They are Financial Statements and will not have been audited.

TallGlass · 05-01-2018 1:35am

Dots1982 wrote: »

The accounts have already been seen by a member of the press; https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/16m-from-sponsors-offsets-rising-costs-of-dublin-teams-36420098.html
So that excuse doesn’t stand up

I assume that you know how to either use Google or send an email. Both will get you an answer.

Syferus · 05-01-2018 1:39am

Bonniedog wrote: »

No. Why would I? You are not a member of Dublin GAA. They were given to county convention delegates and club secretaries. You are just looking for another reason to attack us. Dublin admin costs as % are no different to any other county by the way. Mayo are exceptional in spending such a massive % on county senior football team. Dublin GAA is vast organisation and we field competitive teams in everything from underage Fe through all grades of football and hurling. Yours is just another sleeveen attempt to insinuate some sort of corruption.

The paranoid man sees demons in every shadow.

The GAA is supposedly a single fraternity but this attitude hints at something very different.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 1:41am

PARlance wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

The accounts have already been seen by a member of the press; https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/16m-from-sponsors-offsets-rising-costs-of-dublin-teams-36420098.html
So that excuse doesn’t stand up

They are Financial Statements and will not have been audited.

The accounts are done up to year end October. You’ll have to explain to a non accountant how they could not have been audited by now?

PARlance · 05-01-2018 1:52am

Dots1982 wrote: »

The accounts are done up to year end October. You’ll have to explain to a non accountant how they could not have been audited by now?

For a year end of October it's possible (that they have been audited) but not probable imo. The simple/short answer is that it takes time to audit accounts. The long answer is quite boring but in short you have to check with banks, creditors and debtors that what the Company is saying in its Financial Statements is correct.

The link you gave said a journalist had received Financial Statements for 2017, another name for Unaudited Accounts. There may not be any material difference between the FS's and Audited Accounts.

noodler · 05-01-2018 1:57am

Worth noting OP, audited accounts are rarely ready to go until months into the next year.

See the Comptroller and auditor general and government departments for. Example.

Also, as last poster said, there's generally very little difference between them and the unaudited previous versions for obvious reasons.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 1:57am

PARlance wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

The accounts are done up to year end October. You’ll have to explain to a non accountant how they could not have been audited by now?

For a year end of October it's possible (that they have been audited) but not probable imo. The simple/short answer is that it takes time to audit accounts. The long answer is quite boring but in short you have to check with banks, creditors and debtors that what the Company is saying in its Financial Statements is correct.

The link you gave said a journalist had received Financial Statements for 2017, another name for Unaudited Accounts. There may not be any material difference between the FS's and Audited Accounts.

Ok sound, so they could be audited.

Just to mention here’s the link for the 2016 accounts on dublin’s Website- https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-annual-report-2016

When you click on the link- “access denied”, chances are it wouldn’t have contained the financials statements/accounts anyway.

PARlance · 05-01-2018 2:00am

Dots1982 wrote: »

Ok sound, so they could be audited.

Just to mention here’s the link for the 2016 accounts on dublin’s Website- https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-annual-report-2016

When you click on the link- “access denied”, chances are it wouldn’t have contained the financials statements/accounts anyway.

They could be. And I could still play for Mayo.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 2:06am

PARlance wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

Ok sound, so they could be audited.

Just to mention here’s the link for the 2016 accounts on dublin’s Website- https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-annual-report-2016

When you click on the link- “access denied”, chances are it wouldn’t have contained the financials statements/accounts anyway.

They could be. And I could still play for Mayo.

Isn’t very important anyway. Audited or unaudited these accounts will never be published online by Dublin GAA same as they never were for previous years

PARlance · 05-01-2018 2:22am

Dots1982 wrote: »

Isn’t very important anyway. Audited or unaudited these accounts will never be published online by Dublin GAA same as they never were for previous years

That is true, the fundraising figure is an alarmingly small figure. I think my own Club would have raised more in 2016 than Dublin did.

Would also love to see the breakdown of admin costs. Just out of curiosity. I actually don't care too much outside of what goes on on the field of play.

Stoner · 05-01-2018 6:47am

PARlance wrote:

They could be. And I could still play for Mayo.

It would be fantastic if you did. Maybe line out at number 5. They need fresh blood there.

Bonniedog · 05-01-2018 9:35am

Syferus wrote: »

The paranoid man sees demons in every shadow.

The GAA is supposedly a single fraternity but this attitude hints at something very different.

I didn't start a thread about the Carlow accounts! The paranoia does not emanate from Dublin.

Squareball · 05-01-2018 3:13pm

I’m a Dub all day long but I also believe transparency is very important IN EVERY COUNTY and a national level.

Poor_old_gill · 05-01-2018 5:27pm

I'm confused, so what are we giving Dublin a kicking for now?

While I do think that it is important to point out funding disparity, etc- I'm not fully sure the point of this 'blog' is.
County with the most well run & professional set up have a high admin cost? I'm not surprised.

The level of funding/money coming in is a different debate and that has been well worn at this stage and have no desire to drag it up again- but to say that Dublin dont spend their money well is nonsense.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 5:49pm

Clue is in topic subject. The best supported most successful county does almost no fundraising and is largely bank rolled by commercial income and grants.

You've done well to miss the point of the blog.

Poor_old_gill · 05-01-2018 6:40pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

Clue is in topic subject. The best supported most successful county does almost no fundraising and is largely bank rolled by commercial income and grants.

You've done well to miss the point of the blog.

Fundraising is just that- a last resort, you've done well to miss what the word represents.

I think everyone knows that Dublin have wealthy sponsors like AIG and I'm not sure why you expect them to fundraise when they dont need to.

In essence your article is pointing out that they have wealthy sponsors and thus dont need to fundraise.

I dont think you understand the point that you have made or are trying to make- as you are just dealing in statements without even the slightest bit of analysis

nice_guy80 · 05-01-2018 7:25pm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Fundraising is just that- a last resort, you've done well to miss what the word represents.

I think everyone knows that Dublin have wealthy sponsors like AIG and I'm not sure why you expect them to fundraise when they dont need to.

In essence your article is pointing out that they have wealthy sponsors and thus dont need to fundraise.

I dont think you understand the point that you have made or are trying to make- as you are just dealing in statements without even the slightest bit of analysis

most counties rely mainly on fundraising eg Roscommon, Sligo, Longford

its a bit of an uneven playing field.

Bonniedog · 05-01-2018 7:32pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

most counties rely mainly on fundraising eg Roscommon, Sligo, Longford

its a bit of an uneven playing field.

Life is an uneven playing field. If Dublin are not fund-raising - and doh! only people who are going to divvy up for that are Dubs - then it leaves more room for everyone else.

By the way, I don't think there is one single Leinster county that doesn't get more from share of Dublin CP attendances than they do from Pat the Baker or whoever.

blanch152 · 05-01-2018 7:40pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

And spend 3 times as much on administration as Cork GAA do.

Wrote about Dublin’s GAA finances here https://veryintobloggingveryintonewmedia.wordpress.com/2018/01/01/dublin-gaa-finances-under-the-microscope/

Not sure if people just shrug their shoulders at these facts or just don’t care. But I feel it’s important to give the lie to the version we hear over the airwaves that “Dublin GAA do everything well”. Truth is they look to be doing things extremely badly looking at their accounts.

Your blog has done excellent research. However, it has missed the point of Dublin finances completely and as a result is glaringly erroneous.

Dublin has a large population and a huge number of adults and children playing the game - 23 Adult Leagues, 40 Adult Cups, 20 Minor Leagues and to give just one example 38 competitions at Under-13 level.

This answers your points in a number of ways -

1. Dublin spend a vast amount of money administering all of these competitions for ordinary adults and children

2. Dublin supporters spend a hell of an amount of time working voluntarily with their local clubs as coaches and administrators, not a lot of time left for fund-raising.

3. The number of clubs in those competitions shows how healthy the club scene is in Dublin. A huge amount of local fundraising for clubs goes on, with Dublin supporters heavily involved in that.

4. Dublin do not spend a huge amount of money on their inter-county teams in comparison to the likes of Mayo in particular but also Kerry. As I have repeatedly said, those counties waste the money they raise on their inter-county teams while Dublin focus their attention on the clubs and the juveniles. A by-product of that is a constant stream of players ready for inter-county football but it is not the primary purpose which is to bring opportunities to play the game to anyone in the county who wants to play.

So thanks again for a blog which just helps prove my point, just a pity your blinkers didn't allow you to see the underlying conclusions.

Poor_old_gill · 05-01-2018 7:48pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

most counties rely mainly on fundraising eg Roscommon, Sligo, Longford

its a bit of an uneven playing field.

I’m not disagreeing with that- but that’s just a well agreed upon statement

Any analysis carried out will show that Dublin don’t fundraise because they don’t need to.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 8:22pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

And spend 3 times as much on administration as Cork GAA do.

Wrote about Dublin’s GAA finances here https://veryintobloggingveryintonewmedia.wordpress.com/2018/01/01/dublin-gaa-finances-under-the-microscope/

Not sure if people just shrug their shoulders at these facts or just don’t care. But I feel it’s important to give the lie to the version we hear over the airwaves that “Dublin GAA do everything well”. Truth is they look to be doing things extremely badly looking at their accounts.

Your blog has done excellent research. However, it has missed the point of Dublin finances completely and as a result is glaringly erroneous.

Dublin has a large population and a huge number of adults and children playing the game - 23 Adult Leagues, 40 Adult Cups, 20 Minor Leagues and to give just one example 38 competitions at Under-13 level.

This answers your points in a number of ways -

1. Dublin spend a vast amount of money administering all of these competitions for ordinary adults and children

2. Dublin supporters spend a hell of an amount of time working voluntarily with their local clubs as coaches and administrators, not a lot of time left for fund-raising.

3. The number of clubs in those competitions shows how healthy the club scene is in Dublin. A huge amount of local fundraising for clubs goes on, with Dublin supporters heavily involved in that.

4. Dublin do not spend a huge amount of money on their inter-county teams in comparison to the likes of Mayo in particular but also Kerry. As I have repeatedly said, those counties waste the money they raise on their inter-county teams while Dublin focus their attention on the clubs and the juveniles. A by-product of that is a constant stream of players ready for inter-county football but it is not the primary purpose which is to bring opportunities to play the game to anyone in the county who wants to play.

So thanks again for a blog which just helps prove my point, just a pity your blinkers didn't allow you to see the underlying conclusions.

I wouldn’t take any of your points seriously as they are nonsense but when you come out with Dublin don’t spend that much on their intercounty teams incomparision to Mayo how do you expect to be taken seriously?

The most likely reason by a long way why Dublin don’t fundraise is that they couldn’t be bothered because they get so much money (over 2.5million a year) from the GAA development grants and from commercial sponsors.

That is the straight truth if it, not the absolute nonsense you’ve offered up.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 8:25pm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

Clue is in topic subject. The best supported most successful county does almost no fundraising and is largely bank rolled by commercial income and grants.

You've done well to miss the point of the blog.

Fundraising is just that- a last resort, you've done well to miss what the word represents.

I think everyone knows that Dublin have wealthy sponsors like AIG and I'm not sure why you expect them to fundraise when they dont need to.

In essence your article is pointing out that they have wealthy sponsors and thus dont need to fundraise.

I dont think you understand the point that you have made or are trying to make- as you are just dealing in statements without even the slightest bit of analysis

If it wasn’t for fundraising and volunteerism there would be no GAA.

There’s a reason it’s called Croke Park, cusack stand, Hogan stand. These men built the association. Not Vodafone or AIG.

A last resort? You know nothing about the history of the GAA. Read a book.

Bonniedog · 05-01-2018 8:32pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

If it wasn’t for fundraising and volunteerism there would be no GAA.

There’s a reason it’s called Croke Park, cusack stand, Hogan stand. These men built the association. Not Vodafone or AIG.

A last resort? You know nothing about the history of the GAA. Read a book.

There was GAA in Dublin when most of country had surrendered to the priests and the Brits after 1890. We didn't call it Parnell Park for no reason.

You get the books my friend.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 8:35pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

If it wasn’t for fundraising and volunteerism there would be no GAA.

There’s a reason it’s called Croke Park, cusack stand, Hogan stand. These men built the association. Not Vodafone or AIG.

A last resort? You know nothing about the history of the GAA. Read a book.

There was GAA in Dublin when most of country had surrendered to the priests and the Brits after 1890. We didn't call it Parnell Park for no reason.

You get the books my friend.

What would you recommend?

klairondavis · 05-01-2018 8:51pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

There was GAA in Dublin when most of country had surrendered to the priests and the Brits after 1890. We didn't call it Parnell Park for no reason.

You get the books my friend.

Sure Parnell was a Wicklow man.

ArielAtom · 05-01-2018 8:51pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

Clue is in topic subject. The best supported most successful county does almost no fundraising and is largely bank rolled by commercial income and grants.

You've done well to miss the point of the blog.

With the sponsorship Dublin don’t need to panhandle to all and sundryðŸ˜‰

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 8:54pm

klairondavis wrote: »

Bonniedog wrote: »

There was GAA in Dublin when most of country had surrendered to the priests and the Brits after 1890. We didn't call it Parnell Park for no reason.

You get the books my friend.

Sure Parnell was a Wicklow man.

Think most of his history knowledge came on his father’s knee and not out of a book..

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 8:58pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

Clue is in topic subject. The best supported most successful county does almost no fundraising and is largely bank rolled by commercial income and grants.

You've done well to miss the point of the blog.

With the sponsorship Dublin don’t need to panhandle to all and sundryðŸ˜‰

Panhandling to the GAA to the tune of 2.5 million a year

Bonniedog · 05-01-2018 9:24pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

Think most of his history knowledge came on his father’s knee and not out of a book..

Dublin was only place in Ireland where Parnell had support after 1890. Was run out of the bog. And Dublin was one of few counties where the GAA survived after the church tried to close it down.

Combination of father's knee, Phd, and lots of books. you should do the same

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 9:29pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

Think most of his history knowledge came on his father’s knee and not out of a book..

Dublin was only place in Ireland where Parnell had support after 1890. Was run out of the bog. And Dublin was one of few counties where the GAA survived after the church tried to close it down.

Combination of father's knee, Phd, and lots of books. you should do the same

Fair play to you, that's me told.

So what books would you recommend?

blanch152 · 05-01-2018 10:04pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

I wouldn’t take any of your points seriously as they are nonsense but when you come out with Dublin don’t spend that much on their intercounty teams incomparision to Mayo how do you expect to be taken seriously?

The most likely reason by a long way why Dublin don’t fundraise is that they couldn’t be bothered because they get so much money (over 2.5million a year) from the GAA development grants and from commercial sponsors.

That is the straight truth if it, not the absolute nonsense you’ve offered up.

It is extremely difficult to give you blog posts any credibility at all when it comes out with rubbish like this: "it is hard to see how Dublin are getting value for money for the vast amount of expenditure on administrators that show so little return in terms of fund raising. "

Do you seriously believe that it is the job of administrators to fund-raise? Seriously???

The problem with all of the Dublin-haters is that they have absolutely no idea of the scale of the Dublin club scene.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 10:12pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

I wouldn’t take any of your points seriously as they are nonsense but when you come out with Dublin don’t spend that much on their intercounty teams incomparision to Mayo how do you expect to be taken seriously?

The most likely reason by a long way why Dublin don’t fundraise is that they couldn’t be bothered because they get so much money (over 2.5million a year) from the GAA development grants and from commercial sponsors.

That is the straight truth if it, not the absolute nonsense you’ve offered up.

It is extremely difficult to give you blog posts any credibility at all when it comes out with rubbish like this: "it is hard to see how Dublin are getting value for money for the vast amount of expenditure on administrators that show so little return in terms of fund raising. "

Do you seriously believe that it is the job of administrators to fund-raise? Seriously???

The problem with all of the Dublin-haters is that they have absolutely no idea of the scale of the Dublin club scene.

Yes administrators fundraise. Check out corks accounts. Their county raffle raises about 1.7 million in a year and it has administration fees of a bit over 100k. That's efficiency.

Dublin pay their administrators a multiple of corks and have them providing fcuk all in revenue. Dublins revenue comes from grants in the main & commercial.

And cork and Dublins gaa fraternity would be roughtly equal in fact a lot of dubs on here claim cork have a bigger playing population.

So personally no I'm just not having your argument.

Dublin GAA fundraise 6.3% of what Mayo do

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