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The slow death of forums *see OP for Admin warning and update 28/02/18*

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  • #1262
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    DrGreenthumb wrote: »
    maybe they should move their servers overseas
    Even if the servers are overseas, the owners are, I suspect, based in Ireland

    It really is an issue. The likes of FB can afford expensive lawyers to fend off legal challenge. This site does not have the luxury of significant resources to do something similar


  • #1263
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Beasty wrote: »
    Even if the servers are overseas, the owners are, I suspect, based in Ireland

    It really is an issue. The likes of FB can afford expensive lawyers to fend off legal challenge. This site does not have the luxury of significant resources to do something similar

    I can think of a few posters who would relish the thought of engaging with lawyers until said lawyers simply gave up and let it slide... ;)


  • #1264
    riffmongous
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    GreeBo wrote: »
    done!

    I'm in favour of it, but it might be better if the users of the threads themselves were consulted first.. otherwise there's a chance it will just piss people off and drive them away


  • #1265
    Hannibal_Smith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Boards was always great for the devil's advocate point across and it was like getting a bird's eye view of a topic. But lately there is a pattern to a thread, thread is posted, and it's like people are scrambling at their keyboards to get the money post for thanks, or they're trying to twist the thread and op as best they can to get the best devil's advocate post. It's not just in AH, it happens a lot. And like someone else said, it really makes you not want to post. It's not genuine and it stifles a discussion. I'm not sure I'm explaining the difference properly, but I know what I mean :D

    The other thing that really is annoying is when you see posts on other forums like...'AH must be quiet'. I've seen it a good few times. If you post in AH are you not allowed post elsewhere? Surely if you're a member of boards and want to discuss something that best suits another forum (regardless of your depth of knowledge on the particular topic) that's where you should be posting?


  • #1266
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,679 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    riffmongous wrote: »
    I'm in favour of it, but it might be better if the users of the threads themselves were consulted first.. otherwise there's a chance it will just piss people off and drive them away

    I was thinking the same. Ideally I'd like to see them remain but I have it a +1 because if they are to go then it's the better option. The only other posts in the request thread are from those who don't or rarely use the threads. To be honest though I don't think the users themselves are that bothered. It's just me.


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  • #1267
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-Sorry to do this here folks but can ye please please read the rules in the forum request forum. I would not like to see any of ye getting in trouble or banned over posting something you shouldn't.


  • #1268
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I was thinking the same. Ideally I'd like to see them remain but I have it a +1 because if they are to go then it's the better option. The only other posts in the request thread are from those who don't or rarely use the threads. To be honest though I don't think the users themselves are that bothered. It's just me.

    I'm not sure the big users of AH are too bothered about it. The people using the forum need to have some say, or they could be lost. How you weight opinion against usage is the issue.


  • #1269
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I was thinking the same. Ideally I'd like to see them remain but I have it a +1 because if they are to go then it's the better option. The only other posts in the request thread are from those who don't or rarely use the threads. To be honest though I don't think the users themselves are that bothered. It's just me.
    I'd see it as the equivalent of the Cool vids, pics forum.
    But I largely ignore the chat threads and AH in general unless an interesting thread catches my eye before it disappears, which they mostly do on the mobile site


  • #1270
    DrGreenthumb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 720 ✭✭✭DrGreenthumb


    Conspectus wrote: »
    Mod-Sorry to do this here folks but can ye please please read the rules in the forum request forum. I would not like to see any of ye getting in trouble or banned over posting something you shouldn't.

    And it begins.... I mean contuines

    I got a good laugh about of the 2 forums you mod, so which one were you a mod in first and did it lead you to be a mod in the other :D


  • #1271
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    DrGreenthumb wrote: »
    And it begins.... I mean contuines

    I got a good laugh about of the 2 forms you mod, so which one were you a mod in first and did it lead you to be a mod in the other :D

    Conspectus is 100% correct, chat about it here, vote about it there.

    That's how it works.


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  • #1272
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,052 ✭✭✭gifted


    The OP asked why were the numbers dropping year by year and it seems the outcome of the discussion is that by moving the chatty threads then the numbers should increase . This feel as though im being punished because I post in a thread where everyone is not judged or singled out and regular and new posters are welcome, every post is appreciated and there is no one out to drive home their point of view.

    What happens in 12 months time if the numbers are still dropping...do we pick out another victim and sacrifice that?


  • #1273
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    DrGreenthumb wrote: »
    And it begins.... I mean contuines

    I got a good laugh about of the 2 forums you mod, so which one were you a mod in first and did it lead you to be a mod in the other :D

    I am only trying to help. A lot of people don't even know of the existence of the forum request section and they have some heavy rules. If anyone ends up in trouble for posting stuff over their then my conscience will be clear.


  • #1274
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    gifted wrote: »
    The OP asked why were the numbers dropping year by year and it seems the outcome of the discussion is that by moving the chatty threads then the numbers should increase . This feel as though im being punished because I post in a thread where everyone is not judged or singled out and regular and new posters are welcome, every post is appreciated and there is no one out to drive home their point of view.

    What happens in 12 months time if the numbers are still dropping...do we pick out another victim and sacrifice that?

    Why would moving a forum be a punishment? I don't quite follow.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #1275
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    gifted wrote: »
    The OP asked why were the numbers dropping year by year and it seems the outcome of the discussion is that by moving the chatty threads then the numbers should increase . This feel as though im being punished because I post in a thread where everyone is not judged or singled out and regular and new posters are welcome, every post is appreciated and there is no one out to drive home their point of view.

    What happens in 12 months time if the numbers are still dropping...do we pick out another victim and sacrifice that?

    There is no one reason for posts being down, there are multiple factors.

    I don't think that's the outcome of this thread, just something that was discussed here. Maybe a sub forum for those threads will bring AH back to life... who knows.


  • #1276
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    gifted wrote: »
    The OP asked why were the numbers dropping year by year and it seems the outcome of the discussion is that by moving the chatty threads then the numbers should increase . This feel as though im being punished because I post in a thread where everyone is not judged or singled out and regular and new posters are welcome, every post is appreciated and there is no one out to drive home their point of view.

    What happens in 12 months time if the numbers are still dropping...do we pick out another victim and sacrifice that?

    There are no decisions made yet so nobody is being judged or punished.


  • #1277
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,052 ✭✭✭gifted


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    Why would moving a forum be a punishment? I don't quite follow.

    Why move it in the first place?


  • #1278
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    gifted wrote: »
    The OP asked why were the numbers dropping year by year and it seems the outcome of the discussion is that by moving the chatty threads then the numbers should increase . This feel as though im being punished because I post in a thread where everyone is not judged or singled out and regular and new posters are welcome, every post is appreciated and there is no one out to drive home their point of view.

    What happens in 12 months time if the numbers are still dropping...do we pick out another victim and sacrifice that?

    Why will the threads be impacted by being in a sub forum?

    It hasn't harmed the vids, pics threads at all.


  • #1279
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    gifted wrote: »
    Why move it in the first place?

    No idea. But what's the punishment you posted about?

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #1280
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Beasty wrote: »
    Although this had the traits of a feedback thread it only really evolved into one once we allowed it to run. Arguably it's another AH thread and a bit of levity does not go amiss when tensions rise

    It has turned into more of a discussion of AH than the site as a whole over the past day or so. Indeed new suggestions on improving the site as a whole have dried up. I have tried to compile a list of those issues/suggestions which I will share when we start drawing the thread to a close. I would though encourage anyone who has more ideas they wish to air that may improve users site-wide experience to post them here. I know the main input has come from AH regulars but others are certainly welcome to post here.

    There's an issue that I don't even know is solvable or not (let you worry about that!) and it's the "No questioning a Mod in thread" Rule, ie. I say "I don't believe xyz to be true" and a Mod posts xzy bashing will not be tolerated, do not post on this thread again MadDog, leaving me with no right to reply ......... the opinion (and it is only an opinion!) of the Mod that I was xyz bashing may be totally inaccurate but if I respond trying to explain my position I'll be banned and the ban will be upheld in DRP because I'll be told "You weren't carded for xyz bashing, you were banned for challenging a Mod in thread, ban upheld!".
    If I PM the Mod instead or try the Feedback Forum (:D) or HelpDesk etc. I'll just be ignored ......... having said that, I do understand why the challenging a Mod in thread Rule exists.

    Anyway, thoughts?


  • #1281
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,052 ✭✭✭gifted


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    No idea. But what's the punishment you posted about?

    I said I feel like I'm being punished, that's my opinion....you might not see it that way, happy days, move on.


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  • #1282
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,679 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is something else and that's not so much where or if the chatty threads are moved but why? Like Gifted posted is there anything else to come from this feedback thread?


  • #1283
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    gifted wrote: »
    I said I feel like I'm being punished, that's my opinion....you might not see it that way, happy days, move on.

    I don't see it any way, that's why I asked. And I'm still none the wiser, but sorry you feel like you're being punished for whatever reason you feel that way.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #1284
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    gifted wrote: »
    The OP asked why were the numbers dropping year by year and it seems the outcome of the discussion is that by moving the chatty threads then the numbers should increase . This feel as though im being punished because I post in a thread where everyone is not judged or singled out and regular and new posters are welcome, every post is appreciated and there is no one out to drive home their point of view.

    What happens in 12 months time if the numbers are still dropping...do we pick out another victim and sacrifice that?

    I fully agree. Those threads are doing no harm and encourage participation. There are welcoming threads for new users and a nice place to start your AH experience. If someone doesn't like them it's very easy not to read them. I also have a concern as to what would be deemed a 'chatty thread'. If a thread drifted into a bit of chatter would it have to be moved?
    Why not move the politely slanted AH thread completely to the Politics Forum. Get rid of the 'breaking news' threads to a sub forum while we're at it.
    Moving the, what have to be the most popular threads by post count, to a sub forum seems pointless . Should the recent threads in AH about clamping or free coffee be moved to motoring and food & drink? Should the thread about unpaid work be in an Employment forum and the various music video thread be banished to the dedicated Music forum? What would AH be for in future?


  • #1285
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Zoey Famous Aftershave wrote: »
    I fully agree. Those threads are doing no harm and encourage participation. There are welcoming threads for new users and a nice place to start your AH experience. If someone doesn't like them it's very easy not to read them. I also have a concern as to what would be deemed a 'chatty thread'. If a thread drifted into a bit of chatter would it have to be moved?
    Why not move the politely slanted AH thread completely to the Politics Forum. Get rid of the 'breaking news' threads to a sub forum while we're at it.
    Moving the, what have to be the most popular threads by post count, to a sub forum seems pointless . Should the recent threads in AH about clamping or free coffee be moved to motoring and food & drink? Should the thread about unpaid work be in an Employment forum and the various music video thread be banished to the dedicated Music forum? What would AH be for in future?

    The potential harm is that they block new threads from gaining any momentum, at least that's the feeling I'm getting.


  • #1286
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,679 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GreeBo wrote: »
    The potential harm is that they block new threads from gaining any momentum, at least that's the feeling I'm getting.

    Where is the evidence for this? Let's say they are moved and things remain the same?


  • #1287
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    If I PM the Mod instead or try the Feedback Forum (:D) or HelpDesk etc. I'll just be ignored ......... having said that, I do understand why the challenging a Mod in thread Rule exists.

    Anyway, thoughts?

    If a mod is ignoring a PM, assuming you aren't just being a dick, you should take it to CMOD.


  • #1288
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,052 ✭✭✭gifted


    GreeBo wrote: »
    The potential harm is that they block new threads from gaining any momentum, at least that's the feeling I'm getting.

    If the new thread is interesting enough then it will gain momentum


  • #1289
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Zoey Famous Aftershave wrote: »
    I also have a concern as to what would be deemed a 'chatty thread'. If a thread drifted into a bit of chatter would it have to be moved?

    Why not just cut out the excessive chat posts and put into a different thread of their own??


    As for welcoming to new users....who's gonna bother there balls reading threads that are several thousand posts long?....I dip in/out of them...

    But there could be 15-20 pages between post id make and next time I look....life's too short for reading alll that like


  • #1290
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    GreeBo wrote: »
    The potential harm is that they block new threads from gaining any momentum, at least that's the feeling I'm getting.

    I'm a frequent visitor to AH and I don't agree. I know you feel otherwise but I think my opinion is as valid. I've made my point and you yours. Let's move on.


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  • #1291
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    With respect, bollocks. There is no narrative, can't remember the last time I talked to admins regarding AH stuff. We closed it because the thread is snowballing with reports and we need to stop posts for a while to deal with those, or it's a never ending loop. It'll be open again soon.

    Why is it that boards is the only site I've ever come across which does this routinely? Other sites moderate the thread as they have time to do so and *gasp* take the risk that it might get overly heated for a brief period in the meantime. Again, it's the obsession with having a pristine situation 100% of the time which causes boards to be overmoderated.

    If the boards coding means that a stack of reports on the same post clutters the mod queue, I can only suggest a redesign of that software to ensure that each post is only seen once in the queue, with multiple reports for it collapsed or minimised by default unless you as a moderator choose to go into them. On no other forum I've moderated over the years was this an issue, and on no other forum I've moderated was there ever a necessity to close a thread temporarily to deal with the backlog - you moderate in real time as best you can and if it means that occasionally something stays up longer than it should, that's the Internet for you, deal with it.

    It's certainly better than this stop-start bollocks we have to put up with on Boards in basically any thread which gets controversial.


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