Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

Wibbs · 04-01-2018 12:07AM

Grayson wrote: »

Did you read his quote from the bible?

It's a red herring regardless. The Christian world had a Reformation and an Enlightenment and is increasingly, if not almost entirely secular. The Islamic world had no such changes, though a few enlightened souls did try and over the last fifty years has actually regressed more back to the medieval in thought and deed. Compare Kabul of the fifties to Kabul of today or the last twenty years.

Wibbs · 04-01-2018 12:10AM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Maybe those posters are just passionate about not wanting Ireland to go the way of other jurisdictions in Europe. Whatever their motivations, these concerns and fears are well founded.

Indeed. Multiculturalism is a large failed ideal. It just doesn't work particularly well. It certainly doesn't work in non ex colonies and can be majorly fractious in ex colonies. The US or Australia to name but two are hardly paragons of how to deal with and integrate ethnicities.

BlaasForRafa · 04-01-2018 12:11AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I know right. As I said earlier some on here are only wetting themselves with excitement. Finally. After years of being forced to live off events in those dark multicultural elsewheres, while patiently longing for an event of their own to frame as 'Islamic Terrorism', tonight they are only delighted about it. It gives them great opportunity to spread far right racist myths and memes. They're having boners all over. "Finally; been saying it for years; jihad in Ireland"

That's complete and utter horse**** but I guess you have to keep up your virtue signalling right?

This was a chap who was senselessly killed while walking to work by some islamist immigrant. I make a similar short walk to work every morning in my home town in Ireland, what am I meant to do if some other import from the religion of peace gets all stabby at me in a copycat attack?

This strikes home but you come on here because you're just itching to have a go at some "wacists".

Grayson · 04-01-2018 12:12AM

Wibbs wrote: »

It's a red herring regardless. The Christian world had a Reformation and an Enlightenment and is increasingly, if not almost entirely secular. The Islamic world had no such changes, though a few enlightened souls did try and over the last fifty years has actually regressed more back to the medieval in thought and deed. Compare Kabul of the fifties to Kabul of today or the last twenty years.

It's the fact the he can quote a quote from the bible that says to kill gay people and then say "The bible doesn't say to kill gay people". That's wilful blindness.

Jurgen Klopp · 04-01-2018 12:14AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Indeed. Multiculturalism is a large failed ideal. It just doesn't work particularly well. It certainly doesn't work in non ex colonies and can be majorly fractious in ex colonies. The US or Australia to name but two are hardly paragons of how to deal with and integrate ethnicities.

Like I said before the Americas or Australia aren't examples of multiculturalism that's it's proponents seem to think given the result of what happened to the natives.

Imagine being a North American Indian on a reservation, your people and your old allied/enemy tribes now only make up 1% of your own fcuking country how sickening

Then again at least they can hold their hands up and say they tried to fight back

Wibbs · 04-01-2018 12:14AM

Grayson wrote: »

It's the fact the he can quote a quote from the bible that says to kill gay people and then say "The bible doesn't say to kill gay people". That's wilful blindness.

It is G, but it doesn't alter the facts of the overall point.

Doltanian · 04-01-2018 12:14AM

Grayson wrote: »

It's the fact the he can quote a quote from the bible that says to kill gay people and then say "The bible doesn't say to kill gay people". That's wilful blindness.

The Koran preaches death to Gay people, the Bible preaches avoiding Gay sex and not to be gay. Big difference.

Doltanian · 04-01-2018 12:17AM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Like I said before the Americas or Australia aren't examples of multiculturalism that's it's proponents seem to think given the result of what happened to the natives.

Imagine being a North American Indian on a reservation, your people and your old allied/enemy tribes now only make up 1% of your own fcuking country how sickening

Then again at least they can hold their hands up and say they tried to fight back

The North American Indians even sent loads of food to us starving Irish during the famine, the equivalent of modern day charities or goal etc. Unless we close our borders soon our children will curse us, our grandchildren will suffer and there won't be great grandchildren. Population replacement is a form of genocide, we need only look to historical examples to see that this won't end well for the Irish and other European peoples.

Strazdas · 04-01-2018 12:18AM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Disagree - I think you yourself have to be very cynical to think that people actually want to see incidents like today's to score points.

Maybe those posters are just passionate about not wanting Ireland to go the way of other jurisdictions in Europe. Whatever their motivations, these concerns and fears are well founded. Here's an excerpt from a BBC article today: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42557828

It also said that migrants with little hope of being giving asylum in Germany were much more likely to commit violent crime than those from war zones like Syria whose asylum was guaranteed.

"Anyone who as a war refugee regards their chances of staying in Germany as good, will endeavour not to jeopardise those prospects by criminal offences," the authors of the study said, quoted by Die Welt newspaper.

What is being glossed over is that the vast bulk of Islamist terror attacks are by "homegrown" terrorists, not by recent arrivals to the country.

Trying to associate the phenomenon of modern terrorism with immigration would be a distortion and banning immigration would have zero impact on homegrown terrorism.

Tell me how · 04-01-2018 12:18AM

BlaasForRafa wrote:

This was a chap who was senselessly killed while walking to work by some islamist immigrant. I make a similar short walk to work every morning in my home town in Ireland, what am I meant to do if some other import from the religion of peace gets all stabby at me in a copycat attack?

Way to add 2 plus 2 and get 22.

There were stabbings in at least 3 counties in the last week.
If you're stabbed it's more likely to not be someone of the Islamic religion.

Hopefully you'll relax enough to sleep tonight.

Will I Am Not · 04-01-2018 12:19AM

Grayson wrote: »

They're in every fecking thread

Same as yourself...

ArthurDayne · 04-01-2018 12:22AM

Doltanian wrote: »

The Koran preaches death to Gay people, the Bible preaches avoiding Gay sex and not to be gay. Big difference.

I didn't intend to kick off a discussion on scripture but the interpretive selectivism you're displaying here is really indicative of the wider problem.

Homosexuals shall surely be put to death. That is the explicit wording of the Bible -- the book which is upheld by Catholic teaching as being holy text. Of course, one is perfectly right in saying that Irish people almost unanimously would disregard such a blatant incitement to hatred. The odd thing is, you seem to conversely presume that the majority of Muslims who live in secular countries take the Qur'an seriously when it says to kill gay people. They don't.

Fann Linn · 04-01-2018 12:24AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Way to add 2 plus 2 and get 22.

There were stabbings in at least 3 counties in the last week.
If you're stabbed it's more likely to not be someone of the Islamic religion.

Hopefully you'll relax enough to sleep tonight.

today's attacks occured on random people going about their own business. The attacks last week were carried out by people who had connections with their victims.
Way to go with 2+2 =22 all the same.

BlaasForRafa · 04-01-2018 12:24AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Way to add 2 plus 2 and get 22.

There were stabbings in at least 3 counties in the last week.
If you're stabbed it's more likely to not be someone of the Islamic religion.

Hopefully you'll relax enough to sleep tonight.

Most fatal attacks in Ireland are a result of gangland feuds or drunken night-time incidents, neither of which I get involved in. I can't recall any random chaps getting stabbed in broad daylight like this in Ireland recently but hey you go on trying to deflect and minimise all you want.

testaccount123 · 04-01-2018 12:25AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I know right. As I said earlier some on here are only wetting themselves with excitement. Finally. After years of being forced to live off events in those dark multicultural elsewheres, while patiently longing for an event of their own to frame as 'Islamic Terrorism', tonight they are only delighted about it. It gives them great opportunity to spread far right racist myths and memes. They're having boners all over. "Finally; been saying it for years; jihad in Ireland"

This is just vile.

Tell me how · 04-01-2018 12:26AM

Fann Linn wrote:

today's attacks occured on random people going about their own business. The attacks last week were carried out by people who had connections with their victims. Way to go with 2+2 =22 all the same.

What's your point?

If stabbed, is it worse that it was an immigrant?

pumpkin4life · 04-01-2018 12:28AM

And in other news, water is wet and our Taoiseach is a cool lad because he wears novelty socks and listens to LCD Soundsystem.

The only thing is that I'm surprised this has happened so soon. A few months ago I said it would take about 2 years for something like this to happen.

pumpkin4life wrote: »

The CSO said that the Muslim population recorded an increase of 33% between 2011 and 2016. Population increases tend to be exponential as well, so Muslims as a percentage of the population will probably rise. Also you must take into account that there are some people not recorded/don't state on the form that they're Muslim, even though they are so the number in reality is higher.

Also this is what the politicians and rulers of this country want:

The elite don't give two ****s about you.

I predict a major islamic related incident in the next two to three years in this country.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Wombatman · 04-01-2018 12:28AM

Has the attackers religion been disclosed by some official source?

Gang murders in Dublin every week and no talk about religion?

We know for certain the attacks were religiously motivated?

homerjay2005 · 04-01-2018 12:30AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Indeed. Multiculturalism is a large failed ideal. It just doesn't work particularly well. It certainly doesn't work in non ex colonies and can be majorly fractious in ex colonies. The US or Australia to name but two are hardly paragons of how to deal with and integrate ethnicities.

in theory, multiculturalism works well. as an example, Ireland people travel everywhere and despite what alot of bitter home based irish like to think, we in general integrate and respect the local culture as well as anybody.

the thing is, us irish are in for a shock. we think everybody is like us...

splinter65 · 04-01-2018 12:30AM

Grayson wrote: »

It's the fact the he can quote a quote from the bible that says to kill gay people and then say "The bible doesn't say to kill gay people". That's wilful blindness.

Where are Christians in 2017 allowed to throw gay people from atop tall buildings Grayson?
I know your trying to make this “well ..ok Islam says gays must die...but so does Christianity “
So where do Christians murder gays now?

Noel82 · 04-01-2018 12:31AM

testaccount123 wrote: »

This is just vile.

Ignore the UK Government identifying 25,000 potential Jihadi's in England. Ignore concert segregation that's occurring in Sweden due to sexual assaults. Ignore the Extremist ghettos harboring terrorism scattered all over Belgium. Ignore the police having to set safe areas for Women in Germany on NYE. Ignore the huge increase in security efforts combating terrorism all over Europe. All big right wing myths. Stone age arse backwards Multiculturalism is rainbows and lollipops.

myshirt · 04-01-2018 12:31AM

When have the silent majority ever mattered?

I never got why people say 'Well the majority of people are law abiding peaceful blah blah blah"

Yes, they are, but when in history has this silent majority ever mattered? If we keep pressing this point we are losing site of the lessons of history here. All it ever takes is a significant minority.

testaccount123 · 04-01-2018 12:32AM

splinter65 wrote: »

Where are Christians in 2017 allowed to throw gay people from atop tall buildings Grayson?
I know your trying to make this “well ..ok Islam says gays must die...but so does Christianity “
So where do Christians murder gays now?

Africa.

Islam does not have a monopoly on human rights abuses.

pumpkin4life · 04-01-2018 12:33AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

in theory, multiculturalism works well. as an example, Ireland people travel everywhere and despite what alot of bitter home based irish like to think, we in general integrate and respect the local culture as well as anybody.

the thing is, us irish are in for a shock. we think everybody is like us...

Multiculturalism can sometimes work if the populations are similar in terms of genetics, culture, etc.

The greater the differences, the bigger the conflict once the groups of different people reach a certain amount.

SEPT 23 1989 · 04-01-2018 12:33AM

Tell me how wrote: »

What's your point?

If stabbed, is it worse that it was an immigrant?

If you are in a row you have some idea what might happen

The last thing on the victims minds as they went about their business today was violence

Can you see a difference?

04-01-2018 12:33AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I know right. As I said earlier some on here are only wetting themselves with excitement. Finally. After years of being forced to live off events in those dark multicultural elsewheres, while patiently longing for an event of their own to frame as 'Islamic Terrorism', tonight they are only delighted about it. It gives them great opportunity to spread far right racist myths and memes. They're having boners all over. "Finally; been saying it for years; jihad in Ireland"

You're not the first to make such a deeply cynical comment

https://twitter.com/GavanTitley/status/948598345777459201

Fann Linn · 04-01-2018 12:33AM

Tell me how wrote: »

What's your point?

If stabbed, is it worse that it was an immigrant?

The people who were attacked today weren't involved in card games or family feuds as per last weeks attacks which you introduced into the argument.

So yes, it is worse that an immigrant should randomly attack 3 unconnected people going about their business on a Wednesday morning.

splinter65 · 04-01-2018 12:33AM

ArthurDayne wrote: »

I didn't intend to kick off a discussion on scripture but the interpretive selectivism you're displaying here is really indicative of the wider problem.

Homosexuals shall surely be put to death. That is the explicit wording of the Bible -- the book which is upheld by Catholic teaching as being holy text. Of course, one is perfectly right in saying that Irish people almost unanimously would disregard such a blatant incitement to hatred. The odd thing is, you seem to conversely presume that the majority of Muslims who live in secular countries take the Qur'an seriously when it says to kill gay people. They don't.

But Muslims kill gay people for being gay in Muslim countries. In 2018.
Where do Christians kill gay people for being gay? In 2018.

Doltanian · 04-01-2018 12:34AM

ArthurDayne wrote: »

I didn't intend to kick off a discussion on scripture but the interpretive selectivism you're displaying here is really indicative of the wider problem.

Homosexuals shall surely be put to death. That is the explicit wording of the Bible -- the book which is upheld by Catholic teaching as being holy text. Of course, one is perfectly right in saying that Irish people almost unanimously would disregard such a blatant incitement to hatred. The odd thing is, you seem to conversely presume that the majority of Muslims who live in secular countries take the Qur'an seriously when it says to kill gay people. They don't.

99.9% of Irish people don't pay any attention to the Bible, however there is over 300 million Radical Extremist Muslims in the world who believe in Jihad, killing Gays, Jews etc. the whole shebang of extremism, that is more than enough to concern any country who should take the security of their own population seriously. Between 27 to 35% of Muslims would be categorised as Extremist worldwide with much higher figures reported in certain countries.

ArthurDayne · 04-01-2018 12:34AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Indeed. Multiculturalism is a large failed ideal. It just doesn't work particularly well. It certainly doesn't work in non ex colonies and can be majorly fractious in ex colonies. The US or Australia to name but two are hardly paragons of how to deal with and integrate ethnicities.

But multiculturalism is not an 'ideal', it is simply a phenomenon which has been ongoing for centuries. Travel and transport have developed immeasurably and people intermarry, work abroad, develop their businesses abroad. In Ireland we have seen both sides of the emigration coin: those who are lucky enough to simply want to explore the world and settle elsewhere -- and those who only left because it was that or destitution.

The problem has never been multiculturalism itself -- but those who have been determined to stop it; just like Canute tried to turn back the tide as one contributor neatly put it earlier in this discussion. They have fostered the very division, generalisation and stigmatisation which has led to much 'silo-ing' of individual ethnicities in multicultural societies.

If we believe in a world where people, including Irish people, have the right to seek a living and settle elsewhere in the world -- then we have already accepted the inevitability of a multicultural world. It is therefore incumbent on us to make it work in the best way possible rather than find ever more totalitarian ways to sub-divide society.

Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

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