The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

MightyMandarin · 02-01-2018 12:13AM

Patww79 wrote: »

Maybe not that high for me, but I'd have him in the top 2/3 at least.

When you consider how desperate teams get in the need for a QB, it's blatantly obvious the owners and league conspired to shut him out.

Who would he beat out for a job though? The Browns, Dolphins, Bills, Giants, Cardinals, Broncos, Texans (after Watson was out) and Colts all had issues at QB this season but I don't think him as QB would've bettered their situations much on the field tbh. He's nothing special imo.

OldMrBrennan83 · 02-01-2018 12:15AM

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Christy42 · 02-01-2018 01:35AM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/jan/01/nfl-week-17-colin-kaepernick-mpst-impactful

Supposedly Colin Kaepernick was the most influential player this season. Political stuff aside, this line got me thinking: "The longer Kaepernick goes unsigned the less likely it seems he will play again in the NFL, this despite the fact he is probably better than two-thirds of the quarterbacks in the league."

Is Kaepernick really better than 2/3 of QB's in the league? Tbh I just can't see that at all. Surely there's 10 QB's better than him.

Surely top 3rd is only in the top 32 (about 3 qbs per team).

He is easily better than that. Bortles and Kizer to name just two starters he is better than. I would not have him near the top 10 but certainly a starter level qb and then there are a fair few aging qbs that will need replacing soon.

eagle eye · 02-01-2018 03:49AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Surely top 3rd is only in the top 32 (about 3 qbs per team).

He is easily better than that. Bortles and Kizer to name just two starters he is better than. I would not have him near the top 10 but certainly a starter level qb and then there are a fair few aging qbs that will need replacing soon.

He isn't better than Bortles, he is a lot worse than Bortles. As for Kizer, he is a rookie in an awful team, no chance you can call that one.

This Kaepernick should be on a roster stuff only started when he started kneeling down. Like wtf are people at? Nobody was saying he should be starting for the awful 49ers before he started kneeling.

His career completion record is under 60%, why on earth are people saying he is so good?

OldMrBrennan83 · 02-01-2018 07:57AM

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Itssoeasy · 02-01-2018 08:47AM

Patww79 wrote: »

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He said Kizer is on a crap team and is a rookie. He didn't say kizer is better, and no QB should be judged on being the Browns QB.

eagle eye · 02-01-2018 11:53AM

Patww79 wrote:

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Your reading skills need work.

Billy86 · 02-01-2018 11:59AM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/jan/01/nfl-week-17-colin-kaepernick-mpst-impactful

Supposedly Colin Kaepernick was the most influential player this season. Political stuff aside, this line got me thinking: "The longer Kaepernick goes unsigned the less likely it seems he will play again in the NFL, this despite the fact he is probably better than two-thirds of the quarterbacks in the league."

Is Kaepernick really better than 2/3 of QB's in the league? Tbh I just can't see that at all. Surely there's 10 QB's better than him.

2/3rd of starting QBs? No, not at all - but if he meant better than 2/3rd of all quarterbacks in the NFL (backups included), then yes. That said, while some teams (probably Green Bay most of all) could and should have signed him, it likely would not have been worthwhile to have him as a backup.

Billy86 · 02-01-2018 12:02PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

He said Kizer is on a crap team and is a rookie. He didn't say kizer is better, and no QB should be judged on being the Browns QB.

Yeah, but putting above Bortles is quite laughable, and I say that as someone who has had more time for Bortles than most on here. Especially using career accuracy, since Kaepernick has been more accurate than Bortles over their careers. Kaep has the same career accuracy as Eli Manning, and is ahead of David Carr, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck and Donovan McNabb.

The claim that people only called for Kaepernick to get signed to a roster when he started kneeling is also laughably incorrect and/or just flat out dishonest, as he was already signed for a team at the time (and comfortably outplayed Gabbert at QB for SF that year).

Shedite27 · 02-01-2018 12:09PM

I always felt Kapernick was great at the read option stuff, and not so great as a pocket passer, so really his value is as a backup to a read option QB. If a pocket passer was injured and Kapernick comes in, that offensive line suddenly has a very different job to do. If he'd been the Green Bay backup this year when Rodgers went down would he have been as successful as the GB backup?

Realistically, he's probably only of use to about 5/6 teams as a backup. If I'm GB, I'd take Kapernick over Hundley as a starter, but not as a backup

Billy86 · 02-01-2018 12:19PM

Shedite27 wrote: »

I always felt Kapernick was great at the read option stuff, and not so great as a pocket passer, so really his value is as a backup to a read option QB. If a pocket passer was injured and Kapernick comes in, that offensive line suddenly has a very different job to do. If he'd been the Green Bay backup this year when Rodgers went down would he have been as successful as the GB backup?

Realistically, he's probably only of use to about 5/6 teams as a backup. If I'm GB, I'd take Kapernick over Hundley as a starter, but not as a backup

At GB, I'd figure so - the offensive line injuries kind of changed how we were operating there anyway. We came in with one known quantity to back up the whole line but one of the very few positives is that 3-4 other guys, mostly late round nobodies and UFDAs, got runs and didn't look so bad (not stars, but look like they'll be decent backup at least) - but they were using strength and a more basic system than what GB typically does with Rodgers. As a result, our best offensive output with Hundley under centre was giving him the option to run with it, or using RBs. Hundley wasn't too far off the worst mix of presnap and pocket awareness as well as vision of where his receivers beyond the #1 option were that I've seen in the league but got about 180 scrambling yards over the last 4 games, it would be hard to see Kaepernick not doing a good deal better.

OldMrBrennan83 · 02-01-2018 12:26PM

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eagle eye · 02-01-2018 12:30PM

Billy86 wrote:

The claim that people only called for Kaepernick to get signed to a roster when he started kneeling is also laughably incorrect and/or just flat out dishonest, as he was already signed for a team at the time (and comfortably outplayed Gabbert at QB for SF that year).

I said that nobody was crying out for him to be starting for the niners this season or even talking about him prior to his kneeling.

Christy42 · 02-01-2018 12:52PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Christy42 wrote: »

Surely top 3rd is only in the top 32 (about 3 qbs per team).

He is easily better than that. Bortles and Kizer to name just two starters he is better than. I would not have him near the top 10 but certainly a starter level qb and then there are a fair few aging qbs that will need replacing soon.

He isn't better than Bortles, he is a lot worse than Bortles. As for Kizer, he is a rookie in an awful team, no chance you can call that one.

This Kaepernick should be on a roster stuff only started when he started kneeling down. Like wtf are people at? Nobody was saying he should be starting for the awful 49ers before he started kneeling.

His career completion record is under 60%, why on earth are people saying he is so good?

It is the opposite. The calls for him to be dropped from every team ever only started when he was kneeling down.

Have you seen Bortles? The man has had one decent month in his career. Oh and since you are so interested in it Bortles pass completion % for his career is below Kaeps.

http://www.nfl.com/player/colinkaepernick/2495186/careerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/blakebortles/2543477/careerstats

Billy86 · 02-01-2018 01:45PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I said that nobody was crying out for him to be starting for the niners this season or even talking about him prior to his kneeling.

You said "This Kaepernick should be on a roster stuff only started when he started kneeling down" - he started kneeling down on the Sep 1st 2016, when he was already signed for, and the presumed starting QB for, the SF 49ers, who he then went on to start the first 11 games of the season for I believe it was.

You also said to Patww "Your reading skills need work."

Lionbacker · 02-01-2018 02:08PM

Away from the Kaepernick debate, this gave me a good laugh.

https://twitter.com/BillsEire/status/947990568638078976

eagle eye · 02-01-2018 03:00PM

Billy86 wrote: »

You said "This Kaepernick should be on a roster stuff only started when he started kneeling down" - he started kneeling down on the Sep 1st 2016, when he was already signed for, and the presumed starting QB for, the SF 49ers, who he then went on to start the first 11 games of the season for I believe it was.

You also said to Patww "Your reading skills need work."

I did say that to Patww because he stated that I said that Kizer was better which I didn't. I said Kizer was a rookie in an awful team and that it's too early to call which of the two of them is better.

Sorry I made a mistake in my reply, don't know how I posted that. As regards this Kaepernick situation, he started games after he started kneeling but he was benched the year before and there was nothing about it. Now we hear people saying he is good enough to start on multiple teams.

You didn't say that but there are plenty who have got completely carried away.

Billy86 · 02-01-2018 03:18PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I did say that to Patww because he stated that I said that Kizer was better which I didn't. I said Kizer was a rookie in an awful team and that it's too early to call which of the two of them is better.

You may be mistaken there - Pat claimed you said Kizer was better in response to the post that said people only made noise about Kaepernick when he kneeled.

Sorry I made a mistake in my reply, don't know how I posted that. As regards this Kaepernick situation, he started games after he started kneeling but he was benched the year before and there was nothing about it. Now we hear people saying he is good enough to start on multiple teams.

You didn't say that but there are plenty who have got completely carried away.[/QUOTE]
Kaepernick got benched in 2015 due to poor play, but he was kept on contract, given the chance to win the job back the next year and did. Had he been let go after the 2015 season I am 250% certain he would have found another team easily. He then bounced back and was a good deal better in 2016 than previous and as a result was... benched, released and not touched by any other team, even those in desperate situations like Green Bay (I pray we never have to see Hundley even on the sidelines ever again) where awful QB play probably wound up costing a playoff spot and the GM his job.

I would agree that he's not necessarily better than Kizer, a great example of why being Jared Goff this year. Not Kizer for me seems to have really serious issues with reading what's going on and taking in the information around him - really similarly to Hundley actually (I've been watching a good few Browns games this season... no idea why, train wreck theory maybe?) and at a level that I don't see being bridged. But it's kind of impossible to tell because he may just be getting fed lots of conflicting ideas, directions etc that are making his head spin. I think they probably will, but also think it would be absolutely stupid for the Browns to go for a QB for that very reason - with Gordon back they're actually not bad on skill position (and insanely young) for offense, if I were them I'd be looking to make unsexy picky and beef the **** out of the o-line and front seven with those four picks in the first 35, though that's for a different thread!

brinty · 02-01-2018 10:08PM

Carson palmer has retired

thomond2006 · 02-01-2018 10:09PM

A lot of teams will be looking for QBs in the off-season.

BaronVon · 02-01-2018 10:11PM

brinty wrote: »

Carson palmer has retired

For the best really, he has been going downhill for a while, and always seemed to get hit hard. At least he has that playoff win against the Packers!

thomond2006 · 02-01-2018 10:15PM

Marvin Lewis is remaining at Cincinnati.

brinty · 02-01-2018 10:16PM

Marv Lewis new two year contract

Ohmeha · 02-01-2018 10:21PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

A lot of teams will be looking for QBs in the off-season.

Are there any other starting QB aside from Cousins, Jimmy G and Bortles due to hit free-agency? Alex Smith will likely be available for trade

Definitely 7/8 teams with starting QB needs that have to be addressed in the off-season and then you have the likes of the Saints, Chargers and Patriots who need to be keeping an eye on future QBs. Good time to be a decent free agent QB or if you're from this years QB class for the draft, 5 should go in round 1

raze_them_all_ · 02-01-2018 10:53PM

Carson Palmer retires, hardly shocking with how this season went

Hococop · 02-01-2018 10:55PM

brinty wrote: »

Marv Lewis new two year contract

And if you listen carefully passed the storm, you can hear Stephen A. Smith having a complete meltdown over the extension haha

Hazys · 02-01-2018 11:09PM

Whats more ridiculous Marvin Lewis getting a two year extension or the Browns not firing Hue Jackson after going 1-31?

Hococop · 02-01-2018 11:18PM

Hazys wrote: »

Whats more ridiculous Marvin Lewis getting a two year extension or the Browns not firing Hue Jackson after going 1-31?

Marvin lewis by a long shot, its a revolving door system with the Brown's and they never get it right

The Bengals have just accepted mediocrity for the last decade roughly and don't even have a playoff win under Lewis and are gonna continue with it

Paully D · 03-01-2018 09:54AM

brinty wrote: »

Marv Lewis new two year contract

That win against the Ravens will end up being the worst thing to happen to the Bengals in a while.

There’s nothing like a meaningless (for the Bengals) end of season win to paper over the cracks.

tripperman · 03-01-2018 10:40AM

Ohmeha wrote: »

Are there any other starting QB aside from Cousins, Jimmy G and Bortles due to hit free-agency? Alex Smith will likely be available for trade

Definitely 7/8 teams with starting QB needs that have to be addressed in the off-season and then you have the likes of the Saints, Chargers and Patriots who need to be keeping an eye on future QBs. Good time to be a decent free agent QB or if you're from this years QB class for the draft, 5 should go in round 1

The Vikings have three QBS set to hit free agency, Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater and Case Keenum, they will sign one of them long term imo, but which one as they really like teddy, keenum has done an exceptional job as starter there, a wildcard for free agency is AJ McCarron

Bills Tyrod Taylor could be for trade as well, Jimmy G won't hit free agency, 49ers can tag him if they don't get a deal done with him, gives them more options then most teams heading towards free agency and draft

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