New York Jets Thread

phatkev · 18-12-2017 11:41AM

hots wrote: »

He's been a complete tool since the contract. Any idea what we'd get for him?

Assuming we go QB in the first next year I wouldn't be opposed to going some combination of edge, CB & Dline the following 3 picks. All in the first 3 rounds means we should be looking at 3/4 starters out of those.

they wont get anything for him! I'd say the plan now is to keep out of the last two games so he doesnt get injured, then release him in the the offseason and pray that some team picks him and his massive contract up!

I'd add O-line to that list, and yeah I'd expect them to take a CB fairly high too, the Jets have ignored the Edge for so long now, I dont see it changing in 2018

phatkev · 18-12-2017 11:45AM

Macc has to be under pressure now as well, none of the big contract he handed out proved to be successful(Wilkerson, Fitz, Revis). He's used two draft picks on QBs that will never be NFL QBs and the rest of his drafting has being pretty underwhelming if you take players that fell into his lap like Williams and Adams

hots · 18-12-2017 12:25PM

phatkev wrote: »

Macc has to be under pressure now as well, none of the big contract he handed out proved to be successful(Wilkerson, Fitz, Revis). He's used two draft picks on QBs that will never be NFL QBs and the rest of his drafting has being pretty underwhelming if you take players that fell into his lap like Williams and Adams

True, some of his lower order draft stuff has been impressive though. Nailing #1s (even if they are gimme's) and then a few gems makes up for the rubbish picks. Actually speaking of which, Lee has been a real improver this year, I'd guess Davis beside him is helping and maybe Adams taking on some of the blitzing? But he's getting around a lot more now...

phatkev · 18-12-2017 12:29PM

hots wrote: »

True, some of his lower order draft stuff has been impressive though. Nailing #1s (even if they are gimme's) and then a few gems makes up for the rubbish picks. Actually speaking of which, Lee has been a real improver this year, I'd guess Davis beside him is helping and maybe Adams taking on some of the blitzing? But he's getting around a lot more now...

Like who?? Anderson and Mcguire are honestly the only ones I can think of! Shell maybe at a push

hots · 18-12-2017 12:50PM

phatkev wrote: »

Like who?? Anderson and Mcguire are honestly the only ones I can think of! Shell maybe at a push

From this year:
1 6 Jamal Adams Hit

2 39 Marcus Maye Hit
3 79 ArDarius Stewart Ok
4 141 Chad Hansen Ok

5 150 Jordan Leggett TBC (inj)

5 181 Dylan Donahue TBC (inj)

6 197 Jeremy Clark Miss

6 204 Derrick Jones Miss

6 188 Elijah McGuire Hit

From the year before:

1 20 Darron Lee
Ok (could come good)

2 51 Christian Hackenberg
Miss

3 83 Jordan Jenkins
Ok

4 118 Juston Burris
Ok

5 158 Brandon Shell
Hit

7 235 Lac Edwards
Hit

7 241 Charone Peake
TBC inj

Not bad imo when compared to the 2 years before it where you're struggling to find player still in the league.

hots · 18-12-2017 12:50PM

That was less ugly in preview I swear...

phatkev · 18-12-2017 12:58PM

and the year before:
1.06 DL Leonard Williams hit
2.05 WR Devin Smith miss
3.18 LB Lorenzo Mauldin miss
4.04 QB Bryce Petty miss
5.16 OL Jarvis Harrison miss
7.06 DL Deon Simon miss

Justin Burris has been terrible, Jenkins and Shell have been average at best! Hansen and Stewart have combined for 12 catches all season, but im willing to give them and the two late round CBs a pass until next season

hots · 18-12-2017 01:03PM

phatkev wrote: »

and the year before:
1.06 DL Leonard Williams hit
2.05 WR Devin Smith miss
3.18 LB Lorenzo Mauldin miss
4.04 QB Bryce Petty miss
5.16 OL Jarvis Harrison miss
7.06 DL Deon Simon miss

Justin Burris has being terrible, Jenkins and Shell have being average at best! Hansen and Stewart have combined for 12 catches all season, but im willing to give them and the two late round CBs a pass until next season

In my head I had Mac in the year after but even on that list, Williams is a gimme, Smith unlucky miss, Mauldin miss and an injury, Petty is an acceptable miss imo, and the other two very poor.

Burris hasn't been great but for a 4th rounder couldn't expect that much. Jenkins has been alright, not a huge Shell fan, Hansen and Stewart definitely jury out but looking alright for depth picks, certainly not looking too bust-y.

He's not picking out the park or anything but not the worst I do't think.

phatkev · 18-12-2017 01:14PM

Its just out of the 3 draft's he's picked about 7 players that can start for the team, two of those fell into his lap at the number six position and one of them is a punter! Doesn't make for great reading like.

hots · 19-12-2017 01:57PM

Kerley cut, meaning guaranteed snaps for Stewart and Hansen I guess. Anderson, Kearse, Hansen, Stewart, Natson as the WR corps, and Quincy, Peake and poor old Devin Smith on the IR.

Next year with Anderson & Quincy 1/2, Kearse in the slot and Hansen & Stewart on the roster I'd be fairly happy. Peake, Natson, Smith and our usual later round WR pick fighting it out for 6th roster spot?

gstack166 · 19-12-2017 02:01PM

With it being a high QB class draft this year, do you think they’ll take one in the 1st round? Not a Jets fan btw but curious to see thoughts, McCown & Hackenberg surely couldn’t fill you with confidence in the long run even if Josh has impressed this year!

hots · 19-12-2017 02:50PM

gstack166 wrote: »

With it being a high QB class draft this year, do you think they’ll take one in the 1st round? Not a Jets fan btw but curious to see thoughts, McCown & Hackenberg surely couldn’t fill you with confidence in the long run even if Josh has impressed this year!

You're forgetting our saviour Petty!

But yes, either draft or FA for sure.

phatkev · 24-12-2017 09:31PM

Christ, Petty is some sh1te!! Can only imagine how bad Hackenberg must be, to not be able to get a look in

franglan · 26-12-2017 09:27AM

hots wrote: »

You're forgetting our saviour Petty!

But yes, either draft or FA for sure.

Keep McCown draft high... See how you get on until rookie QB is ready/required.

phatkev · 01-01-2018 01:55AM

6th pick locked up. Lets up it'll be as good to us as the last few years and a QB will fall into our laps!

Igotadose · 01-01-2018 08:42AM

phatkev wrote: »

6th pick locked up. Lets up it'll be as good to us as the last few years and a QB will fall into our laps!

Watched a bit of the game yesterday, looked like a surgeon carving a turkey for most of it. There was one series early on where the Jets moved the ball down the field after having sacked Brady to keep the Cheaters from trying a field goal. Came down to a third and long, and Petty missed the receiver by a huge bit with what seemed like a weakly thrown ball. And still no playing Hackenberg. What a trainwreck this offensive roster is (the O line wasn't any great shakes either, yet again.)

A QB will help, but there's so much more needed, already feeling bleak about 2018.

phatkev · 01-01-2018 11:51AM

Igotadose wrote: »

Watched a bit of the game yesterday, looked like a surgeon carving a turkey for most of it. There was one series early on where the Jets moved the ball down the field after having sacked Brady to keep the Cheaters from trying a field goal. Came down to a third and long, and Petty missed the receiver by a huge bit with what seemed like a weakly thrown ball. And still no playing Hackenberg. What a trainwreck this offensive roster is (the O line wasn't any great shakes either, yet again.)

A QB will help, but there's so much more needed, already feeling bleak about 2018.

yeah O-line, an edge rusher and a CB are all needed in a bad way too. There might be no point in drafting a QB if the line is not shored up.
It'll be interesting to see who they go after in FA, they should have plenty of cash to spend.
Maccagnan needs to just cut ties with Hackenberg now, it's fairly clear he's not capable of playing QB. Macc needs to admit his mistake and move on

phatkev · 18-01-2018 07:57AM

John Morton has been fired! really surprised by that move, I thought he had done fairly well in year one given situation. Also i dont know how you can fire your OC for possibly overachieving and yet you keep your constantly underachieving DC

hots · 18-01-2018 09:12AM

phatkev wrote: »

John Morton has been fired! really surprised by that move, I thought he had done fairly well in year one given situation. Also i dont know how you can fire your OC for possibly overachieving and yet you keep your constantly underachieving DC

I'm very surprised, it's a ballsy move bearing in mind they overperformed but his play calling has been less than inspiring at times (3 & long = run, every time). Maybe this lends itself to us trading up for our guy in the draft and having an OC come in to match?

Igotadose · 05-02-2018 07:57AM

Well, the Patriots lost. And maybe Kirk Cousins becomes our next QB. Some small comforts on a cold winter morning. Is it worth breaking the bank for Cousins? I never like these giant contracts and I wonder what the history is for teams that didn't develop the player, but brought him in.

Or do we draft high/move up somehow now that SF got their QB and might not be picking as early in the first round.

namloc1980 · 05-02-2018 09:18AM

Igotadose wrote: »

Well, the Patriots lost. And maybe Kirk Cousins becomes our next QB. Some small comforts on a cold winter morning. Is it worth breaking the bank for Cousins? I never like these giant contracts and I wonder what the history is for teams that didn't develop the player, but brought him in.

Or do we draft high/move up somehow now that SF got their QB and might not be picking as early in the first round.

I'm in the go for Cousins camp. He would instantly improve the QB play and has at least 5-7 good years in him. Monster QB contracts are going to be a thing so no harm getting in there first. I'd be petrified of a rookie anyway. High chance of ending up with disappointment or an out and out bust.

LuckyLloyd · 05-02-2018 11:07AM

I’d bring him in, but you then need to invest well around him. You have to go win now and aim for a 3 year window.

Igotadose · 05-02-2018 11:18AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Igotadose wrote: »

Well, the Patriots lost. And maybe Kirk Cousins becomes our next QB. Some small comforts on a cold winter morning. Is it worth breaking the bank for Cousins? I never like these giant contracts and I wonder what the history is for teams that didn't develop the player, but brought him in.

Or do we draft high/move up somehow now that SF got their QB and might not be picking as early in the first round.

I'm in the go for Cousins camp. He would instantly improve the QB play and has at least 5-7 good years in him. Monster QB contracts are going to be a thing so no harm getting in there first. I'd be petrified of a rookie anyway. High chance of ending up with disappointment or an out and out bust.

Mostly agree, but then my internal "but... it's the Jets! We never have good luck!" It'd be a start ....

phatkev · 05-02-2018 12:40PM

Igotadose wrote: »

Well, the Patriots lost. And maybe Kirk Cousins becomes our next QB. Some small comforts on a cold winter morning. Is it worth breaking the bank for Cousins? I never like these giant contracts and I wonder what the history is for teams that didn't develop the player, but brought him in.

Or do we draft high/move up somehow now that SF got their QB and might not be picking as early in the first round.

Im happy for them to take a shot at this stage, its been so long since we've seen an even slightly above average QB lead this team. Leaves the draft wide open then as well

Igotadose · 05-02-2018 02:02PM

phatkev wrote: »

Im happy for them to take a shot at this stage, its been so long since we've seen an even slightly above average QB lead this team. Leaves the draft wide open then as well

Yeah, I guess I'm coming around to thinking even if he's a bust, 'it's only money' and they'll cope. So hard to not be cynical when it comes to the Jets... so many draft busts (Blair Thomas? The bad memories of that era... Too many years of Ken O'Brien's and Chad Pennington's at QB... Mark Sanchez and Vinny T. as the best QB's in the last few decades...)

I hope they get Cousins. What the heck. Will make 2019 way more interesting if they do, and maybe they'll draft a center or big-time linemen to protect him.

phatkev · 05-02-2018 02:38PM

I like to see them take a shot had either Richburg or Jensen if they hit the market, centre is a massive issue! Cornerback and pass rusher are another two areas they need big upgrades in

mikemac2 · 05-02-2018 08:38PM

Hands off Jensen

He didn’t play much his first few years in the league but he’s slowly established himself a top ten center

Pretty mean and nasty and while he gets more flags than any of the Ravens lineman it’s not a huge issue.

After Flacco got blasted by Kiko Alonso the fans loved Jensen for mauling Alonso. Yeah he was flagged and fined but nobody messes with his QB!

While I’m here is Mangold injured and never coming back? I don’t remember him retiring

phatkev · 05-02-2018 08:42PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

Hands off Jensen

He didn’t play much his first few years in the league but he’s slowly established himself a top ten center

Pretty mean and nasty and while he gets more flags than any of the Ravens lineman it’s not a huge issue.

After Flacco got blasted by Kiko Alonso the fans loved Jensen for mauling Alonso. Yeah he fined and flagged but nobody messes with his QB

While I’m here is Mangold injured and never coming back? I don’t remember him retiring

What are the chances he hits FA?

He was cut by the Jets last offseason and he had been having issue with his ankle, never officially retired. There was an interview with last week where he said he'd listen to offers if they came his way, but he wasn't actively looking to get back into the league

mikemac2 · 05-02-2018 08:50PM

The Ravens traded for a backup center from the Jags last year and found a good young UDFA guard Matt Skura so yeah Jensen will not be back. That and their cap struggles

Jensen will be a fan favourite wherever he goes. Incredibly aggressive and does get flagged quite a bit but I suppose coaches can address that

I believe I was here last year asking about Mangold and then forgot all about it as Jensen turned into a quality starter

JoshRosen · 12-02-2018 06:23PM

Saw on the Jets Facebook page a mock from I think CBS having the Jets getting Mayfield. Injecting false hope in February is a new low

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