Dairy chit chat II

freedominacup · 23-12-2017 11:19PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Circa 750/ha with 19 acres maize bought in this year. Was at 975 last year. What do lads thinks a realistic target whole farm?

Hit 1000 in 16. Estimating 1050 plus this year but bought 50 bales of dry cow silage in that. Aiming for 1400 next year but will be buying some forage to achieve this. Hoping to strike a deal with a neighbour who is already importing slurry from us. How to measure output in this scenario is down to the honesty of the farmer in question. If he says his Sr is X and his output is Y while neglecting to mention imported feed then it's hard to measure your own output against his. Timmays comparison with 305 day yield is very apt. The figures I quoted are for every kg sold divided by every ha farmed.

Mooooo · 23-12-2017 11:24PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Hit 1000 in 16. Estimating 1050 plus this year but bought 50 bales of dry cow silage in that. Aiming for 1400 next year but will be buying some forage to achieve this. Hoping to strike a deal with a neighbour who is already importing slurry from us. How to measure output in this scenario is down to the honesty of the farmer in question. If he says his Sr is X and his output is Y while neglecting to mention imported feed then it's hard to measure your own output against his. Timmays comparison with 305 day yield is very apt. The figures I quoted are for every kg sold divided by every ha farmed.

Delivered to coop would have to be the basis output

GrasstoMilk · 23-12-2017 11:32PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Circa 750/ha with 19 acres maize bought in this year. Was at 975 last year. What do lads thinks a realistic target whole farm?

When I was in college we were given a block of ground and a herd of cows. The objective was to sell 1250kg of ms/ha
1250 kgs sold for every ha farmed is the target here but it would be hard hit if you're expanding or carrying surplus stock. We're over 1000 this year but it will drop next year if we take on more land

freedominacup · 23-12-2017 11:41PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Delivered to coop would have to be the basis output

Delivered to co-op/sold. Same thing surely?

Mooooo · 23-12-2017 11:46PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Delivered to co-op/sold. Same thing surely?

Yeah sorry, was agreeing with you, recording only good for comparing individuals really

Sillycave · 24-12-2017 12:05AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Delivered to coop would have to be the basis output

Not really, if someone was buying powder milk for calves versus milk from their own cows!

Gawddawggonnit · 24-12-2017 12:08AM

You guys backslapping in an obtuse kinda way....?

Or, are ye really trying to push the dairy industry into the 22nd century?

Mooooo · 24-12-2017 12:37AM

Sillycave wrote: »

Not really, if someone was buying powder milk for calves versus milk from their own cows!

That would be included on the other side in costs etc anyway

Mooooo · 24-12-2017 12:51AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

You guys backslapping in an obtuse kinda way....?

Or, are ye really trying to push the dairy industry into the 22nd century?

Trying to figure out where to aim for really, altho with the feed of pints the aim will likely be in a different direction, possibly with the same limited chance of success...

mahoney_j · 24-12-2017 02:16AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Trying to figure out where to aim for really, altho with the feed of pints the aim will likely be in a different direction, possibly with the same limited chance of success...

Really can’t understand all this benchmarking we want to do against one another when the way we benchmark is so flawed.said it earlier but the only figure relevant is what’s left after tax and ALL bills paid.thats the true figure .

Sillycave · 24-12-2017 10:46AM

Mooooo wrote: »

That would be included on the other side in costs etc anyway

True but you mentioned coop report for measuring output (I presume you meant volume sent)
Buying milk powder for calves would increase this (Might have taken u up wrong)
Agree with mj profit after tax is the only one that matters really

Gawddawggonnit · 24-12-2017 12:56PM

‘Tis grand to be in a position to be splitting hairs about how much profit was made this last year, and fair dues. There’s plenty farming families from other sectors that won’t be in the same boat this Xmas...

Aside from that,
how much per ton are ye paying for milk replacer?

mahoney_j · 24-12-2017 01:12PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

‘Tis grand to be in a position to be splitting hairs about how much profit was made this last year, and fair dues. There’s plenty farming families from other sectors that won’t be in the same boat this Xmas...

Aside from that,
how much per ton are ye paying for milk replacer?

Skim or whey based ???,do u use a French skim based replacer ,elivor (spelling ???)hearing good reports on it here

blackdog1 · 24-12-2017 01:52PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Aside from that, how much per ton are ye paying for milk replacer?

Using elvor precision 30% skim 24% protein getting it off a wholesaler for 2100 a tonne. Was on vitalac blue 15% skim 24% protein before that was 2400 and then you have shine once a day think its up about 50% skim and 20% protein and it ranges from 2500-2750 a tonne. Volac heiferlac which is whey only and 25% protein is 2400 a tonne too.

Mooooo · 24-12-2017 02:02PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Really can’t understand all this benchmarking we want to do against one another when the way we benchmark is so flawed.said it earlier but the only figure relevant is what’s left after tax and ALL bills paid.thats the true figure .

What you have left in the account for yourself is of course what matters but that is different for everyone, comparing the common ones between us to see where to improve is no harm. Between farmers is the main point, I'm not talking of sticking pm on the front page of paper saying 20c to produce milk,

Mooooo · 24-12-2017 02:08PM

Sillycave wrote: »

True but you mentioned coop report for measuring output (I presume you meant volume sent)
Buying milk powder for calves would increase this (Might have taken u up wrong)
Agree with mj profit after tax is the only one that matters really

What I use is the cumulative figure on the Dec milk statement basically the milk you get paid for. Shir if you feed milk replacer you can say it same as saying x amount of feed bought in. I assume with your groups ye all know each other's systems anyway, i guess there the main people ye would be comparing with anyway. I had 25 heifers on milk replacer as were in a different yard, everything else got whole milk was locked up so prob fed more milk to calves this year than others

Panch18 · 24-12-2017 06:56PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Hence my earlier comment only true figure is profit after tax and all bills etc accounted for ,that’s why I have little interest in cop or profit per he /liter etc cause none are true figures .so much other things going on with those figures and so many ways to skew them

The bank account is the one figure that matters

Fellas coding themselves sometimes with some of the numbers they’re spouting

einn32 · 24-12-2017 10:57PM

How does CMP milk work? Do dairygold still supply the milk to glanbia or has this all changed? Where is it processed?

alps · 24-12-2017 11:20PM

einn32 wrote: »

How does CMP milk work? Do dairygold still supply the milk to glanbia or has this all changed? Where is it processed?

Afaik, the glanbia/dairygold agreement ended years ago, under very unusual circumstances. A "side agreement" unknown to farmer suppliers was attached to the original agreement, which meant that glanbia were able to walk away from any commitments after a short timeframe. Glanbia had only purchased the CMP brand while the assets renpmained with dairygold/Reox....reckon the CMP milk now comes from the Ballitor factory supplied by glanbia farmers.

Dairygold liquid milk suppliers were naturally up in arms over the side agreement, and dairygold made some sort of fudge agreement with its old CMP suppliers, mimicking some sort of liquid/winter scheme that they subsequently offered to buy out from these suppliers.

Lump sums were paid but not all accepted.....little is known in the wider shareholding/suppliers of what arrangements were made with liquid suppliers to quell their natural unhappiness at the perceived "double cross" of that "side letter"

Would love to hear the real story...maybe someone would oblige...

Buford T. Justice XIX · 25-12-2017 06:09PM

jaymla627 · 26-12-2017 11:23AM

Nice of glanbia to go making public knowledge the findings of suppliers surveys they really are on a different level

whelan2 · 26-12-2017 12:07PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Nice of glanbia to go making public knowledge the findings of suppliers surveys they really are on a different level

Where is that?if so it will be a long time before any farmers fill in another one

Coolfresian · 26-12-2017 12:26PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Where is that?if so it will be a long time before any farmers fill in another one[/QUOTE

In the indo. average are farmed is 200 ac, other figures such as half of suppliers employing labour and many looking to employ more. Zero grazing on the increace etc etc.

Sometimes less info is better, I certainly thought that the info i gave would not be published and certainly not looked at by teagasc. Thats the last survey i fill in.

freedominacup · 26-12-2017 04:24PM

Coolfresian wrote: »

whelan2 wrote: »

Where is that?if so it will be a long time before any farmers fill in another one[/QUOTE

Sometimes less info is better, I certainly thought that the info i gave would not be published and certainly not looked at by teagasc. Thats the last survey i fill in.

Why did you think this? It stated clearly that by filling in the form and returning it you gave glanbia permission to do what they liked with the info. The relevant note read like a term from a dodgy social media site.

Gawddawggonnit · 28-12-2017 08:01PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Using elvor precision 30% skim 24% protein getting it off a wholesaler for 2100 a tonne. Was on vitalac blue 15% skim 24% protein before that was 2400 and then you have shine once a day think its up about 50% skim and 20% protein and it ranges from 2500-2750 a tonne. Volac heiferlac which is whey only and 25% protein is 2400 a tonne too.

How do you find the Elvor?
I used it before and had no complaints with it really...

I’m thinking of going back to it now again. It’s €1687/t. I presume your price is vat inc...or your friendly wholesaler is taking a fine margin.

First time that the autofeeder broke down since I came here. Broke on Xmas eve and the electronic card must be sent to Holland for repairs....Good Lord but I’d forgotten the hassle/hardship without one. Calves coming fast enough also...8 today.

whelan2 · 28-12-2017 08:34PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

How do you find the Elvor?
I used it before and had no complaints with it really...

I’m thinking of going back to it now again. It’s €1687/t. I presume your price is vat inc...or your friendly wholesaler is taking a fine margin.

First time that the autofeeder broke down since I came here. Broke on Xmas eve and the electronic card must be sent to Holland for repairs....Good Lord but I’d forgotten the hassle/hardship without one. Calves coming fast enough also...8 today.

Are you calving all year round? Had 3 December calves born here, first time in years having them in December. Wasnt planned, but extra milk welcome in the tank

Gawddawggonnit · 28-12-2017 08:52PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Are you calving all year round? Had 3 December calves born here, first time in years having them in December. Wasnt planned, but extra milk welcome in the tank

Yep, never ending. We do find it easier than doing it over a couple of months. Therefore, same regime every day, never stops, never goes away...

blackdog1 · 29-12-2017 12:20PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

How do you find the Elvor? I used it before and had no complaints with it really...

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Iâ€™m thinking of going back to it now again. Itâ€™s â‚¬1687/t. I presume your price is vat inc...or your friendly wholesaler is taking a fine margin.

I find it really good compared to the products I was using before. That price per tonne what are the ingredients of it? And is that price a cash price for so much tonne? And finally what product are you using at the moment?

stretch film · 29-12-2017 12:43PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Yep, never ending. We do find it easier than doing it over a couple of months. Therefore, same regime every day, never stops, never goes away...

Big dose of the pre calving "fear" here this morning ...gates , milk replacer and disinfectant all on the agenda.
Took a delivery of straw before Christmas, reckon that triggered it

Mooooo · 29-12-2017 12:44PM

stretch film wrote: »

Big dose of the pre calving "fear" here this morning ...gates , milk replacer and disinfectant all on the agenda.
Took a delivery of straw before Christmas, reckon that triggered it

Testing Tues week, only wondering how many will come early after going thru crush, first due Feb 3

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