Should Ireland recognize Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel?

No.

TheQuietFella wrote: »

We should recognise it as the capital of Palestine!

Palestine doesnt exist as a state so that would be a bit daft wouldn't it .

Cork is the Capital right?

Ireland would disgrace itself with such a move. But the Irish political class has whored itself at the feet of the zionists over the last decade or two. At the expense of the Irish worker. So nothing would surprise me.

Brego888 wrote: »

Can anyone provide a link to an article or explainer about why trumps declaration was so controversial. My knowledge of Israel/Palestine is limited and I'd like to get a grasp on the significance of Jerusalem.

This is just off the top of my head, so I'm not a hundred percent certain. But when the state of Israel was created in the 1920's, Jerusalem was considered to be designated as a place to be off limits politically to any of the constituents in the area. Jews, Arabs, Muslims, Christians et al. A sort of no-man's-land to maintain peace in the region. I think that is the crux of it.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Israel doesn't exactly do itself any favours in trying to win support by calling us the most anti-Semitic country in Europe or using Irish passports for its spies to get around the world.

No, the Israelis can get t'fúck.

Yeah they are probably right about the amount of anti-Semitic crap that goes on here. Sure they just have to look at all the hate towards it on boards as a good example.

armaghlad wrote: »

F**k Israel. I’m reluctant to recognise them as human beings, nevermind Jerusalem as their capital.

I rest my case!

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Yeah they are probably right about the amount of anti-Semitic crap that goes on here. Sure they just have to look at all the hate towards it on boards as a good example.

Ah the auld anti-semitism. The very thing the jewish right wing politicians and media are on a hair trigger to accuse all and sundry of, when they might dare to call out blatant human rights abuses and extreme policy emanating from officialdom in Israel.

I'll put it this way, if you wrote down the policies and behaviours of Israel since the late 90's, in hypothetical terms by leaving out all the names, places and participants, a cold analysis in comparison with history would show up some very uncomfortable parallels with fascism and ultra nationalism. How ironic. Netanyahu is really no different to Putin or Erdogan or Órban.

I recognise Israel's right to exist because we are where we are, but the clumsy actions of the victorious powers post WWII by bulldozing one people out of the way to try and compensate for the holocaust and set up a turn-key homeland for another, was the worst bit of diplomatic policy the world has seen in about 2 centuries, apart from perhaps appeasement.

No, Ireland is right to remain with the majority of nations in not recognising Israeli pre-eminence over Jerusalem, because the enlightened view is that the 2-state solution is the only one with a lasting chance.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Jerusalem is an important religious city to Christians, Jews and Muslims. Jerusalem was originally divided between Israelis and Palestinians, but after the various Arab-Israeli wars the Israelis took the entire city. Israel's de facto capital has been long recognised internationally as Tel Aviv, by recognising it as Jerusalem they're effectively just cementing Israeli claims to the city. It makes a peace settlement between Palestine and Israel that little bit less realistic.

That 2 state peace solution will never happen. It is quite deliberate that Israel have allowed some autonomy in two distinctly SEPARATE areas. The Palestinians are easier to control this way. No way will they allow a joined up country. ( Sorry for going off topic)

I do think that Israel should stop it's occupation and settlement construction program.

phater phagan wrote: »

It is indeed an intractable situation. It might possibly have worked better if Bavaria had been designated as the Jewish Homeland ( as some of the players had suggested at the time).

Indeed. The zionists could also have gone down to Argentina at the time, and I think the Seycelles were also an option. But Jerusulam hits such a nerve with Christians and Arabs.

It is also shocking to find many leading founders of Zionism were atheists. So how much does all of this aggression, aggrevation and terrorism have anything to do with Judaism or any religion. That is used almost like a flag of convenience by the perpetrators.

George Galloway on talk radio had an excellent hour on this a few weeks back. It is up on youtube. He maintains the Christian evangelical lobby were heavily behind this stunt by Trump, not just AIPAC.

The pope condemed the move and it has little or nothing to do with the Irish people themselves. Many Irish people can see this through the eyes of the Palestinians.

I think the whole thing is very interesting.

It is interesting to see so many countries in the world outraged with this action.

So many people against it.

I wonder if it was any other nation any other country would we feel the same way?

Do people reject Israel because the reject the idea that they have been chosen by God?

Is it more a rejection of the idea that there is a God so if there is no God then Israel does not have this God given right to claim Jerusalem for it's capital?

The book of revelation from the Bible talks about a time when all the countries of the world would come against Israel.

Do you think that Trump is purposely setting up this kind of scenario.

Is religious beliefs more behind this rather then political ideas.

[QU

We should be supporting and assisting Israel as much as possible, the Israeli Jewish people have a much older and deserving claim to the region than the Arabic Muslim Palestinians who are driven by anti-Semitism and also persecutes Christians. There is a huge similarity between the Israelis and the Irish, Northern Ireland is occupied by the British and Israel has to share the West Bank and Gaza with the Palestinians.[/QUOTE]

Do you also support the view American Jews should give their property back to
the Native American tribes who have a more deserving claim to it.