white people dressing up as blackface

HONKEY TONK · 17-12-2017 11:06PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I have only ever seen white people getting offended over this. I remember a kid dressed up as Chris Kamara for Halloween one year, loads of white people got offended on his behalf, Kammy loved it.

White people who get offended on behalf of black people are the true racists. They believe black people are so inferior that they cannot articulate their own dissatisfaction.

I don't even see many people getting offended personally. Its like Rjd2 there who feel they should be offended and shocked for no reason

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 17-12-2017 11:07PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

So was Michael jackson racist for bleaching his skin white then?

Well, he did have vitiligo.

0ph0rce0 · 17-12-2017 11:07PM

That's blackbody not blackface, completely different thing

All good

RocketRaccoon · 17-12-2017 11:09PM

longshanks wrote: »

Don't see how it's racist? Well it's using skin colour as a joke to start with.

It's not a joke. It's a costume, this is pathetic.

Turtyturd · 17-12-2017 11:09PM

Virtue signaling mentioned before snowflakes. That’s a plot twist nobody saw coming.

Ninthlife · 17-12-2017 11:12PM

I dont get the outrage.

Its not black face as in dressing as a minstrel.

The guy dressed as a member of the Harlem Globetrotters which have over the years been predominantely black (am i allowed say that)
I cant dress as Shaquille O'Neill without changing my skin tone same applied here

World is gone too sensitive

blanch152 · 17-12-2017 11:15PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

I don’t think it was racist per se, but it was inappropriate and is thankfully consigned to the dustbin of history.

I can certainly understand how black people would find it offensive.

It is hard for many of us to understand how blackface was once considered appropriate. However, times were very different. In fact, in some cases blackface was used to change cultural mores. Look at the Al Jolson stuff:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jolson

"As early as 1911, at the age of 25, Jolson was already noted for fighting discrimination on the Broadway stage and later in his movies:[34]

"at a time when black people were banned from starring on the Broadway stage,"[35] he promoted the play by black playwright Garland Anderson,[36] which became the first production with an all-black cast ever produced on Broadway;
he brought an all-black dance team from San Francisco that he tried to feature in his Broadway show;[34]
he demanded equal treatment for Cab Calloway, with whom he performed a number of duets in his movie The Singing Kid;
he was "the only white man allowed into an all black nightclub in Harlem".[34]
Al Jolson once read in the newspaper that songwriters Eubie Blake and Noble Sissle, neither of whom he had ever heard of, were refused service at a Connecticut restaurant because of their race. He immediately tracked them down and took them out to dinner, "insisting he'd punch anyone in the nose who tried to kick us out!"[37] Subsequent to their meeting, according to biographer Al Rose, Jolson and Blake became friends"

Yet, Jolson was one of the most famous blackface performers.

xper · 17-12-2017 11:16PM

Something, something ...

Ninthlife · 17-12-2017 11:26PM

Also lets not forget that there is a TV channel totally dedicated to 'Black Entertainment' BET TV. No one bats an eye

Now switch the black to white and twitter would melt then explode melt whats left then explode again.

People need to get the **** over themselves. I imagine Griezemanns French and Club team mates who are actually of African origin thought it was great.

retro:electro · 17-12-2017 11:31PM

The very fact that white people cant paint their face black without having a constant reminder of black history seems more oppressive to me than the costume itself. This is the opposite of progression. It's a constant reminder of black history and struggle and that in itself is what is both oppressive and regressive and aids deliberate exclusion from other cultural contexts. To me, black people are more than their brutal past. Why keep holding them back? That seems more racist and derogatory to me than the idea of black face being racist.

PeterParker957 · 17-12-2017 11:32PM

longshanks wrote: »

wakka12 wrote: »

Don't see how its racist at all tbh if you're dressing up as a character or celebrity who happens to be black. If you're dressing up as an imitation 'gangster black guy/simply a charicature of a race I guess thats a bit much

Don't see how it's racist? Well it's using skin colour as a joke to start with.

It's racist only when the Wayans being considered racist for White Chicks.

17-12-2017 11:42PM

I doubt there was any racist intent but it's pretty unnecessary and quite tone-deaf.

I do agree with a previous poster that white people getting offended on behalf of others is stupid; it's a very colonial mindset to speak up for people of colour because they're obviously incapable of speaking up for themselves! :rolleyes: But blackface has a racist history and it's overly simplistic to think it's directly comparable to a black person "whiting up". If a significant number of black people tell you there's a problem with this, you may not agree but should at least listen to what they're saying.

If I see a white person in blackface I don't automatically think they're racist but I do think it's a tad ignorant. (The whole Zwarte Piet thing notwithstanding, as there's arguably more cultural significance to that character than a simple minstrel caricature).

Ideally we could all doll ourselves up in whatever skin tone we want if we so wished, and it wouldn't be any big deal. But the world (which is culturally dominated by America, whether we like it or not) is not at that stage.

tonycascarino · 17-12-2017 11:44PM

Racist my hole. The PC dicks are really ruining today's world.

screamer · 17-12-2017 11:47PM

Oh for **** sake..... Here we go again.

LiamoSail · 17-12-2017 11:49PM

Lethal Weapon 5 was ahead of its time in tastefully depicting how blackface can be pulled off if handled with finesse

Brian? · 17-12-2017 11:52PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Virtue signalling? You're spiralling towards using lamestream media and libertards. Surely you could frame a better argument than a tired, hollow insult?

Sometimes blackface is rascist. Sometimes it is not.

ligerdub · 18-12-2017 12:06AM

The "He shouldn't have done it because some people might not like it".....yeah? That's their problem. Do your thing Antoine, the only mistake he made was apologising.

If you live your life by the small percentage who will hang you over things like that then chances are you'll never take a risk in your life. Even if he makes a mistake here he is clearly not having a go at anyone. His crime here seems to be what? Electing to go to a fancy dress via darkening his skin and the stereotype as the black guy as the basketballer? Is that it? Hang the bastard! Give me a break!

As was mentioned by another poster, by leaving certain groups out of the equation of humour, it is actually more patronising and ostracising than anything else. Context is important, and there's nothing in this to suggest he meant anything other than going whole hog for a fancy dress party. People are so easy to seek to shame people with these things, factors in support of them are casually discarded.

He was going to a party, a party I assume which will be attended by other black people, and yes I will invoke the "my best friend is black" defence here. As usual it's not even the target of the item of discussion that are up in arms too.

Specialun · 18-12-2017 12:11AM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Racist my hole. The PC dicks are really ruining today's world.

sure back in yer day you could play for ireland without even having an irish passport

JimmyMcGill · 18-12-2017 12:13AM

Specialun wrote: »

sure back in yer day you could play for ireland without even having an irish passport

**** that.

And it's CASCARINNNNO!!!

18-12-2017 12:15AM

ligerdub wrote: »

The "He shouldn't have done it because some people might not like it".....yeah? That's their problem. Do your thing Antoine, the only mistake he made was apologising.

If you live your life by the small percentage who will hang you over things like that then chances are you'll never take a risk in your life. Even if he makes a mistake here he is clearly not having a go at anyone. His crime here seems to be what? Electing to go to a fancy dress via darkening his skin and the stereotype as the black guy as the basketballer? Is that it? Hang the bastard! Give me a break!

As was mentioned by another poster, by leaving certain groups out of the equation of humour, it is actually more patronising and ostracising than anything else. Context is important, and there's nothing in this to suggest he meant anything other than going whole hog for a fancy dress party. People are so easy to seek to shame people with these things, factors in support of them are casually discarded.

He was going to a party, a party I assume which will be attended by other black people, and yes I will invoke the "my best friend is black" defence here. As usual it's not even the target of the item of discussion that are up in arms too.

This...the outrage police really needs to check context in this and any situation rather than getting riled up

beertons · 18-12-2017 12:20AM

Now if he dressed as a black Shepard, walking up to the barn with a gift in his hand, I could imagine a mad Christian uprising.

Probably couldn't go out Halloween night, making up for it now. How bad.

topper75 · 18-12-2017 12:23AM

redarmyblues wrote: »

Here is the test, walk across 125th in Manhattan wearing (1) Blackface (2) A Superman outfit
and see which outfit is the most successful from a humorous point of view.

That is pure racialist against the people who live in the blocks between 110th street and 124th street!

What? ARE THEY NOT BLACK ENOUGH FOR YOU?

mosstin · 18-12-2017 12:30AM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Well, he did have vitiligo.

I knew he had his phobias but I didn't know he was afraid of heights too.

ligerdub · 18-12-2017 12:35AM

topper75 wrote:

That is pure racialist against the people who live in the blocks between 110th street and 124th street!

topper75 wrote:

What? ARE THEY NOT BLACK ENOUGH FOR YOU?

It also implicitly presents black people as prone to violence. The irony gave me a chuckle.

Dr Crayfish · 18-12-2017 12:35AM

If it's offensive to some black people why do people do it? Especially people in the limelight who should know better.

mzungu · 18-12-2017 12:48AM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Lethal Weapon 5 was ahead of its time in tastefully depicting how blackface can be pulled off if handled with finesse

The best movie in the series by a mile....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6XKpqQIpdQ

inforfun · 18-12-2017 12:56AM

And here he is in FIFA18..

Noveight · 18-12-2017 12:58AM

I can't wait for the day that it's widely socially accepted to choose not to pander to the eternally offended.

18-12-2017 01:05AM

Noveight wrote: »

I can't wait for the day that it's widely socially accepted to refuse to choose not to pander to the eternally offended.

ive a feeling theres going to be a backlash against the always offended and them getting their way...one of the reasons Trump got in, I think was a hit against the politically correct brigade

B.A._Baracus · 18-12-2017 01:13AM

Pay no attention to twitter. It's does not represent what the average Joe thinks.

That said... No one should dawn the black face these days. Forget about is it right or wrong it's guaranteed to cause a backlash. Makes you question if someone is that out of touch or wants to invoke controversy.

white people dressing up as blackface

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