white people dressing up as blackface

Specialun

so is this racist.

antoine griezzman has caused a bit of stir on twitter tonight as he went full blackface

is white folk going full blackface racist or is this people going full retard too easily

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Specialun wrote: »

so is this racist.

antoine griezzman has caused a bit of stir on twitter tonight as he went full blackface

is white folk going full blackface racist or is this people going full retard too easily

What do you think yourself?

Fr_Dougal

Not the slightest bit racist. Great costume actually.

milehip

Who's a racist now?

Cee-Jay-Cee

No it’s simply arseholes being offended on behalf of the people who they think should get offended by it but actually aren’t.

HONKEY TONK

Nope. Its just people choosing to be offended.

There is no malice behind it

Permabear

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Gatling

There goes 20 million off his valuation ,

Someone call Jose

Rjd2

Permabear wrote: »

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I'd advise anyone against it, even if you have the best intentions, going to get hammered by the above supposedly well meaning people.

Specialun

Permabear wrote: »

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virtue who..wtf is that

JimmyMcGill

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

No it’s simply arseholes being offended on behalf of the people who they think should get offended by it but actually aren’t.

If you were in front of me I'd shake your hand.

kfallon

There was the Diane Abbott costume at the Darts earlier this week too, that caused a stir! A bookmaker on Twitter sent out a halfarsed apology for tweeting the pic after the outrage brigade piped up!

AnneFrank

It's a great costume, a bit like the golliwogs of old

Dr Crayfish

Is he a f**king eejit though? The man is always in the public eye and he goes blackface. And tweets it. Moron.

redarmyblues

Here is the test, walk across 125th in Manhattan wearing (1) Blackface (2) A Superman outfit
and see which outfit is the most successful from a humorous point of view.

Specialun

dont know how to attach it properly. v funny

Rjd2

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Is he a f**king eejit though? The man is always in the public eye and he goes blackface. And tweets it. Moron.

There is an argument to be had whether it is racist or not, however think everyone can agree its incredibly stupid for someone in the public eye to be doing it. I genuinely am shocked that he thought it would no big deal when he posted it.

AnneFrank

Ah ffs he deleted it now because of the snowflakes reaction,

kfallon

Saw a doctored pic on Twitter of Griezmann tonight with the flute of yer man who is appearing in loads of pics/videos on him :pac:

Ulysses Gaze

AnneFrank wrote: »

Ah ffs he deleted it now because of the snowflakes reaction,

And tweeted an apology

HONKEY TONK

Rjd2 wrote: »

There is an argument to be had whether it is racist or not, however think everyone can agree its incredibly stupid for someone in the public eye to be doing it. I genuinely am shocked that he thought it would no big deal when he posted it.

Its not a big deal. There was 0% racist intent behind it.

What shocks you about it?

FTA69

AnneFrank wrote: »

It's a great costume, a bit like the golliwogs of old

Golliwogs are racist. Blackface has a pretty terrible history. Personally I’d listen to what black people are saying about it. I’ve never heard a black person be A-ok with golliwogs or that kind of sh*t to be honest.

wakka12

Don't see how its racist at all tbh if you're dressing up as a character or celebrity who happens to be black. If you're dressing up as an imitation 'gangster black guy/simply a charicature of a race I guess thats a bit much

JimmyMcGill

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And tweeted an apology

That's worse than his original tweet. FFS what black man is gonna look at that and get offended? Very few I'd imagine.

longshanks

wakka12 wrote: »

Don't see how its racist at all tbh if you're dressing up as a character or celebrity who happens to be black. If you're dressing up as an imitation 'gangster black guy/simply a charicature of a race I guess thats a bit much

Don't see how it's racist? Well it's using skin colour as a joke to start with.

Rjd2

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

Its not a big deal. There was 0% racist intent behind it.

What shocks you about it?

It does not annoy me as there was no malice behind it, but surely he should have some sort of clue that this would annoy a lot of people which for someone in the public eye is pretty stupid?
Its 2017 ffs.

JupiterKid

I don’t think it was racist per se, but it was inappropriate and is thankfully consigned to the dustbin of history.

I can certainly understand how black people would find it offensive.

Richard Hillman

I have only ever seen white people getting offended over this. I remember a kid dressed up as Chris Kamara for Halloween one year, loads of white people got offended on his behalf, Kammy loved it.

White people who get offended on behalf of black people are the true racists. They believe black people are so inferior that they cannot articulate their own dissatisfaction.

wakka12

longshanks wrote: »

Don't see how it's racist? Well it's using skin colour as a joke to start with.

Dressing up as a celebrity who happens to be black isn't making fun of the colour of their skin. If I dress up as a white hollywood celebrity am I making fun of their skin colour? No thats stupid

AnneFrank

So was Michael jackson racist for bleaching his skin white then?

Outlaw Pete

longshanks wrote: »

Don't see how it's racist? Well it's using skin colour as a joke to start with.

So what? That's hardly an inherently racist thing to do. Context, as ever, is key.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeVkbNka9HM

Another example, would be Dwayne Wade (NBA player) whitefacing on Halloween to go as Justin Timberlake.

HONKEY TONK

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I have only ever seen white people getting offended over this. I remember a kid dressed up as Chris Kamara for Halloween one year, loads of white people got offended on his behalf, Kammy loved it.

White people who get offended on behalf of black people are the true racists. They believe black people are so inferior that they cannot articulate their own dissatisfaction.

I don't even see many people getting offended personally. Its like Rjd2 there who feel they should be offended and shocked for no reason

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

AnneFrank wrote: »

So was Michael jackson racist for bleaching his skin white then?

Well, he did have vitiligo.

0ph0rce0

That's blackbody not blackface, completely different thing

All good

RocketRaccoon

longshanks wrote: »

Don't see how it's racist? Well it's using skin colour as a joke to start with.

It's not a joke. It's a costume, this is pathetic.

Turtyturd

Virtue signaling mentioned before snowflakes. That’s a plot twist nobody saw coming.

Ninthlife

I dont get the outrage.

Its not black face as in dressing as a minstrel.

The guy dressed as a member of the Harlem Globetrotters which have over the years been predominantely black (am i allowed say that)
I cant dress as Shaquille O'Neill without changing my skin tone same applied here

World is gone too sensitive

blanch152

JupiterKid wrote: »

I don’t think it was racist per se, but it was inappropriate and is thankfully consigned to the dustbin of history.

I can certainly understand how black people would find it offensive.

It is hard for many of us to understand how blackface was once considered appropriate. However, times were very different. In fact, in some cases blackface was used to change cultural mores. Look at the Al Jolson stuff:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jolson

"As early as 1911, at the age of 25, Jolson was already noted for fighting discrimination on the Broadway stage and later in his movies:[34]

"at a time when black people were banned from starring on the Broadway stage,"[35] he promoted the play by black playwright Garland Anderson,[36] which became the first production with an all-black cast ever produced on Broadway;
he brought an all-black dance team from San Francisco that he tried to feature in his Broadway show;[34]
he demanded equal treatment for Cab Calloway, with whom he performed a number of duets in his movie The Singing Kid;
he was "the only white man allowed into an all black nightclub in Harlem".[34]
Al Jolson once read in the newspaper that songwriters Eubie Blake and Noble Sissle, neither of whom he had ever heard of, were refused service at a Connecticut restaurant because of their race. He immediately tracked them down and took them out to dinner, "insisting he'd punch anyone in the nose who tried to kick us out!"[37] Subsequent to their meeting, according to biographer Al Rose, Jolson and Blake became friends"


Yet, Jolson was one of the most famous blackface performers.

xper

Something, something ...

Ninthlife

Also lets not forget that there is a TV channel totally dedicated to 'Black Entertainment' BET TV. No one bats an eye

Now switch the black to white and twitter would melt then explode melt whats left then explode again.

People need to get the **** over themselves. I imagine Griezemanns French and Club team mates who are actually of African origin thought it was great.

retro:electro

The very fact that white people cant paint their face black without having a constant reminder of black history seems more oppressive to me than the costume itself. This is the opposite of progression. It's a constant reminder of black history and struggle and that in itself is what is both oppressive and regressive and aids deliberate exclusion from other cultural contexts. To me, black people are more than their brutal past. Why keep holding them back? That seems more racist and derogatory to me than the idea of black face being racist.

PeterParker957

longshanks wrote: »

wakka12 wrote: »

Don't see how its racist at all tbh if you're dressing up as a character or celebrity who happens to be black. If you're dressing up as an imitation 'gangster black guy/simply a charicature of a race I guess thats a bit much

Don't see how it's racist? Well it's using skin colour as a joke to start with.

It's racist only when the Wayans being considered racist for White Chicks.

I doubt there was any racist intent but it's pretty unnecessary and quite tone-deaf.

I do agree with a previous poster that white people getting offended on behalf of others is stupid; it's a very colonial mindset to speak up for people of colour because they're obviously incapable of speaking up for themselves! :rolleyes: But blackface has a racist history and it's overly simplistic to think it's directly comparable to a black person "whiting up". If a significant number of black people tell you there's a problem with this, you may not agree but should at least listen to what they're saying.

If I see a white person in blackface I don't automatically think they're racist but I do think it's a tad ignorant. (The whole Zwarte Piet thing notwithstanding, as there's arguably more cultural significance to that character than a simple minstrel caricature).

Ideally we could all doll ourselves up in whatever skin tone we want if we so wished, and it wouldn't be any big deal. But the world (which is culturally dominated by America, whether we like it or not) is not at that stage.

tonycascarino

Racist my hole. The PC dicks are really ruining today's world.

screamer

Oh for **** sake..... Here we go again.

LiamoSail

Lethal Weapon 5 was ahead of its time in tastefully depicting how blackface can be pulled off if handled with finesse

Brian?

Permabear wrote: »

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Virtue signalling? You're spiralling towards using lamestream media and libertards. Surely you could frame a better argument than a tired, hollow insult?


Sometimes blackface is rascist. Sometimes it is not.

ligerdub

The "He shouldn't have done it because some people might not like it".....yeah? That's their problem. Do your thing Antoine, the only mistake he made was apologising.

If you live your life by the small percentage who will hang you over things like that then chances are you'll never take a risk in your life. Even if he makes a mistake here he is clearly not having a go at anyone. His crime here seems to be what? Electing to go to a fancy dress via darkening his skin and the stereotype as the black guy as the basketballer? Is that it? Hang the bastard! Give me a break!

As was mentioned by another poster, by leaving certain groups out of the equation of humour, it is actually more patronising and ostracising than anything else. Context is important, and there's nothing in this to suggest he meant anything other than going whole hog for a fancy dress party. People are so easy to seek to shame people with these things, factors in support of them are casually discarded.

He was going to a party, a party I assume which will be attended by other black people, and yes I will invoke the "my best friend is black" defence here. As usual it's not even the target of the item of discussion that are up in arms too.

Specialun

tonycascarino wrote: »

Racist my hole. The PC dicks are really ruining today's world.

sure back in yer day you could play for ireland without even having an irish passport

JimmyMcGill

Specialun wrote: »

sure back in yer day you could play for ireland without even having an irish passport

**** that.

And it's CASCARINNNNO!!!

ligerdub

ligerdub wrote: »

The "He shouldn't have done it because some people might not like it".....yeah? That's their problem. Do your thing Antoine, the only mistake he made was apologising.

If you live your life by the small percentage who will hang you over things like that then chances are you'll never take a risk in your life. Even if he makes a mistake here he is clearly not having a go at anyone. His crime here seems to be what? Electing to go to a fancy dress via darkening his skin and the stereotype as the black guy as the basketballer? Is that it? Hang the bastard! Give me a break!

As was mentioned by another poster, by leaving certain groups out of the equation of humour, it is actually more patronising and ostracising than anything else. Context is important, and there's nothing in this to suggest he meant anything other than going whole hog for a fancy dress party. People are so easy to seek to shame people with these things, factors in support of them are casually discarded.

He was going to a party, a party I assume which will be attended by other black people, and yes I will invoke the "my best friend is black" defence here. As usual it's not even the target of the item of discussion that are up in arms too.

This...the outrage police really needs to check context in this and any situation rather than getting riled up