Destiny General Discussion Thread

ItsHoggie · 05-12-2017 5:27pm

6gb update available now

jcd5971 · 05-12-2017 7:26pm

why cant we have this ghost instead of our ****ty one.....

Tazzimus · 05-12-2017 11:46pm

Loot has increased anyway I see..

ItsHoggie · 06-12-2017 12:37am

Any new trophies?

dudeeile · 06-12-2017 1:09am

ItsHoggie wrote: »

Any new trophies?

Nope.

ItsHoggie · 06-12-2017 1:28am

dudeeile wrote: »

Nope.

What do Bungie have against trophies :pac:

Mitch Connor · 06-12-2017 9:32am

two big, massive, unacceptable negatives from CoO.

1. You can't do the prestige leviathon raid if you don't have CoO - the raid you could do on Tuesday morning, you can't do on Tuesday night, because you don't buy the next DLC? This is taking 'on disc' dlc to a new level. Absolutely unacceptable imo.

2. The new CoO Quickplay and Competitive PVP Modes. You narrow your PvP modes down to two so that player population can be more easily managed and matched up - and come the first DLC you split your community not only into the haves and have nots, but force the 'haves' to make a selection? I just want to play PvP - I don't want to have to decide if that my choice is going to exclude x% of the population. And is it just because of the 2 (1 if you are on xbox) new map? If it is because of the map.... just let everyone have access to the map - keep player population as high as possible. If it is because of new weapons and armor.... I have to ask why? is the new stuff OP vs the old stuff? If there is a basic balance, then just let everyone play together. If a 'have not' gets killed by a gun they can't get, or are impresssed by an exotic they can't get.... firstly: so what? secondly - maybe it will encourage them to get CoO - which would be a good business move.

Just seems these decisions will completely turn off players who haven't got CoO, rather than encourage them to buy it, and will have, at best, a negative impact on the player population which is surely something you would want to avoid as a priority.

I just can't get my head around what they have done.

On CoO itself. Story seemed good enough - I'll play through it again (twice to be honest) and see if I can understand it a bit better and take it in a bit better. Not got enough new weapons to comment on them - only got the Auto off Ikora, a crap looking Rocket Launcher and a Fusion. Everything else I got was vanilla D2stuff. No new exotic. 1 day down.... no Jade Rabbit for me.

gimli2112 · 06-12-2017 9:35am

I saw a video this morning which suggested they have nerfed the Jade Rabbit pretty hard. No longer three taps. Not sure if it's true but it did cross my mind that Bungie may have set up a unit just to troll you.

Mitch Connor · 06-12-2017 9:39am

gimli2112 wrote: »

I saw a video this morning which suggested they have nerfed the Jade Rabbit pretty hard. No longer three taps. Not sure if it's true but it did cross my mind that Bungie may have set up a unit just to troll you.

to be honest I would have been surprised if it three tapped - that would have made it very powerful in comparison to other scouts and generally other weapons in the game.

PetKing · 06-12-2017 9:42am

Mitch Connor wrote:

2. The new CoO Quickplay and Competitive PVP Modes..

What have they done? I didn't go in to PvP last night.

Mitch Connor · 06-12-2017 9:49am

PetKing wrote: »

What have they done? I didn't go in to PvP last night.

there are now 4 PvP playlists.

Quickplay, CoO Quickplay, Competitive, CoO Competitive. It also feels like the CoO options are secondary to the 'main options', just going by the visual design.

I do think D1 did similar, with the 'have nots' relegated to a 'legacy' playlist - but it still feels like absolutely the wrong thing to do.

AbusesToilets · 06-12-2017 9:51am

gimli2112 wrote: »

I saw a video this morning which suggested they have nerfed the Jade Rabbit pretty hard. No longer three taps. Not sure if it's true but it did cross my mind that Bungie may have set up a unit just to troll you.

they nerfed Telesto as well, doesn't generate orbs for teammates, doesn't have battle runner perk.

I'm not sure what Bungie's thought process is in bringing back worse versions of great D1 guns.

Mitch Connor · 06-12-2017 9:57am

AbusesToilets wrote: »

they nerfed Telesto as well, doesn't generate orbs for teammates, doesn't have battle runner perk.

I'm not sure what Bungie's thought process is in bringing back worse versions of great D1 guns.

That's... Weird. Especially with the master works orb creation. I could even understand of it only proc'd vs pve enemies.

On a general level, though, if some guns came back as they were it would near break the game.

AdamD · 06-12-2017 10:05am

lol bye pvp

Mitch Connor · 06-12-2017 10:27am

Yeah - I was getting wrecked by that last night. I thought it was just team shotting but seemingly that gun is very OP. Why isn't it just a solar version of Coldheart? Why is it so much more powerful?

With the way bungie work too it will be 3 months before anything (IF anything) is done about it.

AdamD · 06-12-2017 10:34am

I'm probably done with Destiny. Not bought the DLC and the sandbox changes indicate they're pretty happy with PvP at the moment, but its just too slow.

cavemeister · 06-12-2017 11:13am

Played for about 30 mins last night - Seems okay. Nice there are heroic strikes again.

There is a LOT of hate on the Bungie app Forums for CoO.

The hardcore fanboys are beyond saving at this point, can't see the forums ever returning to what they used to be.

If the game can't be saved, will Bungie just play it out for the next year or so and knock the game on the head?

Mitch Connor · 06-12-2017 11:45am

cavemeister wrote: »

If the game can't be saved, will Bungie just play it out for the next year or so and knock the game on the head?

They have a contract with Activision, so they can't give up on Destiny anytime soon.

I don't think they can ignore Destiny 2 if Destiny 3 is going to be a thing - they need to win back fans before Destiny 3 or it could be dead in the water.

They need to be active over the next few months to see and respond to what people aren't liking - talking from end game stuff down to things like the new Coldheart thing being OP in Crucible (that needs to be fixed with a hotfix immediately - that is trials destroying sh1t right there).

Maybe Destiny 2 can't be saved (I disagree, I think there are many obvious things they could do that would have a huge impact) but they have to try their very best to save it - regardless of the outcome. Financially, contractually, they just have to.

syboit · 06-12-2017 2:30pm

AdamD wrote: »

lol bye pvp

I thought the cold heart was annoying in pvp, loads on reddit about this gun melting. Loved that line "Tell them to line up faster!"

Got myself the spider grenade launcher last night, really enjoy that.

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 06-12-2017 2:31pm

AdamD wrote: »

lol bye pvp

I was just thinking it would be great if they brought Y1 Vex Mythoclast back - well I guess they did :pac:

gimli2112 · 06-12-2017 2:35pm

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

I was just thinking it would be great if they brought Y1 Vex Mythoclast back - well I guess they did :pac:

If ever a gun was to win the "What were they thinking?" award, it's the Year 1 Mythoclast. Remember running round thinking I was a youtuber and this was after they nerfed it at least once.

AdamD · 06-12-2017 2:43pm

This gun looks even more OP than the Mytho tbh

SolvableKnave · 06-12-2017 2:58pm

AdamD wrote: »

This gun looks even more OP than the Mytho tbh

It really does. Have watched a couple vids on it now, and oh boy. Trials will probably be a no go this weekend. The gun looks like it would be great for Calus, but for PvP it's just madness.

As Syboit says, Coldheart was super annoying in PvP. Recall running 4 Coldhearts at launch in Crucible and it just wasn't fair. It got to the point where if the other team weren't running Coldheart, we'd swap it out for a normal gun. But Heartburn just looks too insane in comparison. I dread to think of 4 of the ba$tard things running around.

AbusesToilets · 06-12-2017 3:12pm

I hope they don't nerf it tbh, nice to have a powerful gun again. Just pull it out of PvP availability.

Kimbot · 06-12-2017 3:22pm

Or wait and see wat other OP guns are there first before complaining :pac:

AdamD · 06-12-2017 3:25pm

jonnycivic wrote: »

Or wait and see wat other OP guns are there first before complaining :pac:

Erm? I think its incredibly obvious from watching 20 seconds of that weapon that there's an issue

Kimbot · 06-12-2017 3:27pm

AdamD wrote: »

Erm? I think its incredibly obvious from watching 20 seconds of that weapon that there's an issue

Man weapons been OP will always be there... it is destiny after all.

cavemeister · 06-12-2017 3:28pm

I heard there is a Red Death HC.. That true?
Anyone got it / seen it?

Decent?

PhlegmyMoses · 06-12-2017 3:45pm

AdamD wrote: »

I'm probably done with Destiny. Not bought the DLC and the sandbox changes indicate they're pretty happy with PvP at the moment, but its just too slow.

Played a bit last night and felt similar. Shame as I absolutely loved D1 PVP and PVE, but it's all too much a departure from what I actually enjoyed about the original.

Mitch Connor · 06-12-2017 3:47pm

cavemeister wrote: »

I heard there is a Red Death HC.. That true?
Anyone got it / seen it?

Decent?

That shoots in a 3 burst.

So it was a pulse the looked like an auto.

Now its a pulse that looks like a hand cannon.

SolvableKnave · 06-12-2017 3:54pm

Is the Health regen perk still there?

syboit · 06-12-2017 4:02pm

cavemeister wrote: »

I heard there is a Red Death HC.. That true?
Anyone got it / seen it?

Decent?

Yup, got it last night. Been using it in pve, the perks are good allright, regen and precision reloads a bit.

SolvableKnave · 06-12-2017 6:01pm

https://twitter.com/DeeJ_BNG/status/938447834365313024

sniper_samurai · 06-12-2017 7:09pm

Raid Lair is open from 5pm on Friday.

https://twitter.com/Bungie/status/938467984741318657

jcd5971 · 06-12-2017 9:20pm

myself and civic and totz ran the story missons last night, was enjoyable if a bit short but i got my moneysworth for 20 squid.
I payed more to go to the cinema so can`t complain really

Tazzimus · 06-12-2017 9:38pm

The heroic adventure is a bit of a tough slog with momentum.

Now to do it all again with my titan

jcd5971 · 06-12-2017 10:50pm

Obviously some of you will have figured this out already but after a lot of looking I figured out how to trigger the heroic public event on mercury, when you get shot across to the island and kill the yellow bar, a oracle type entity spawns at back of map, kill it to form a platform, keep killing them to make more platforms and jump to top stand on plate to trigger heroic.

Heroic is boss has a shield and take it down by killing enemies to spawn yellow bar, kill yellow bar and slam the charge it drops onto big tower in center.
Rinse repeat.

And also I haven't figured it out yet but some kind of puzzle in brother vanes room with interactive books.

Tazzimus · 06-12-2017 11:14pm

jcd5971 wrote: »

Obviously some of you will have figured this out already but after a lot of looking I figured out how to trigger the heroic public event on mercury, when you get shot across to the island and kill the yellow bar, a oracle type entity spawns at back of map, kill it to form a platform, keep killing them to make more platforms and jump to top stand on plate to trigger heroic.

Heroic is boss has a shield and take it down by killing enemies to spawn yellow bar, kill yellow bar and slam the charge it drops onto big tower in center.
Rinse repeat.

And also I haven't figured it out yet but some kind of puzzle in brother vanes room with interactive books.

Puzzle in Vances room is for the golden chest behind the barrier under the walkway.
There's 5 books with glowy symbols you need to examine in order:

In the center, to the left of Vance.
From the entrance, to the back-right along the library shelves.
From the entrance, go left and it's behind a brazier
End of the long table on the right of the room
Up to the right of the forge wall thing, jump to reach it

If you get them all in time you'll see something about a decryption conflux, over near that round table.
Scan that and you get to the chest for some tokens and possibly a legendary engram

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2017 9:39am

Tazzimus wrote: »

The heroic adventure is a bit of a tough slog with momentum.

Now to do it all again with my titan

Tried one of them last night - the one with the Fallen. Only made it off the platforms with a second or two left on the timer. must be something else for the timer (exotic quest?) but took me an age to then kill the captain. His shotgun yoke was MELTING me every time I got near him. Didn't have the patience for trying another one - I can only imagine the one with the cabal fella running away will just prove to much for my sanity. I remember him being irritating when playing it on normal - the thought of trying to put enough DPS on him in Heroic.... UGH.

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2017 9:40am

I do think I see what the bug in the heartburn is though.... I think it has been given the damage off the very similar looking laser grid lines at the end of the Strike vs the Cabal boss. Those yokes melt when you go near them, I reckon there is something going on with the damage output on them.

My name is URL · 07-12-2017 9:54am

Apparently tonnes of people are getting refunds for base game because an achievement that was available in vanilla is now locked behind a pay-wall with dlc!

Let's see how long it takes bungo to fix that mess

Tazzimus · 07-12-2017 9:57am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Tried one of them last night - the one with the Fallen. Only made it off the platforms with a second or two left on the timer. must be something else for the timer (exotic quest?) but took me an age to then kill the captain. His shotgun yoke was MELTING me every time I got near him. Didn't have the patience for trying another one - I can only imagine the one with the cabal fella running away will just prove to much for my sanity. I remember him being irritating when playing it on normal - the thought of trying to put enough DPS on him in Heroic.... UGH.

That's the one I tried, figured it was the easiest out of the three, the Cabal fella can f off for now, same with the hive.

Took forever to kill him, as you said, anytime I got close enough to shoot, he's murder me with his gun so I'd have to leg it to get some health back.

Deffo not a solo thing if you want to get that timer.

SolvableKnave · 07-12-2017 10:55am

On the Cabal-centric Heroic Adventure, you don't need to kill the big fella to successfully complete it. If you don't kill him by the last checkpoint, he swans off and 2 yellow bars (One with the gas tanks on his back and one of the jumpy sword feckers) spawn with reinforcements. Kill these 2 and you complete the adventure and get the chest. It's how I got that part of the Milestone done. I was hanging back because fcuk Momentum and he'd gone before I knew it.

Tazzimus · 07-12-2017 11:31am

My name is URL wrote: »

Apparently tonnes of people are getting refunds for base game because an achievement that was available in vanilla is now locked behind a pay-wall with dlc!

Let's see how long it takes bungo to fix that mess

That's the achievement for the prestige raid/nightfall isn't it?
Bit cheeky of them, although was reading on Reddit that they did similar in D1

SolvableKnave wrote: »

On the Cabal-centric Heroic Adventure, you don't need to kill the big fella to successfully complete it. If you don't kill him by the last checkpoint, he swans off and 2 yellow bars (One with the gas tanks on his back and one of the jumpy sword feckers) spawn with reinforcements. Kill these 2 and you complete the adventure and get the chest. It's how I got that part of the Milestone done. I was hanging back because fcuk Momentum and he'd gone before I knew it.

Did not know that, I thought you had to catch the tanky bastard or you had to restart, that's why I didn't go near it.

Up to 313LL now so they might be a bit easier, thing I was only 305 when I tried first.

On another note, the material gathering for the prophecy cube things is painfully slow.

Mickeroo · 07-12-2017 11:40am

Tazzimus wrote: »

That's the achievement for the prestige raid/nightfall isn't it?
Bit cheeky of them, although was reading on Reddit that they did similar in D1

Every paid DLC in the first game gimped the game for players who didn't buy them, so while I think it's a crappy practice I don't see why people are getting up in arms about it now. I can't remember if the dlcs locked out any trophies from the vanilla game before though to be fair.

OptimusTractor · 07-12-2017 11:40am

Speaking of heroic adventures myself and dude did the one where you have to chase down the cabal lad. But I can't pick up the other 2 it says already active. What's the story there? Nothing showing up on map.

SolvableKnave · 07-12-2017 11:53am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Every paid DLC in the first game gimped the game for players who didn't buy them, so while I think it's a crappy practice I don't see why people are getting up in arms about it now. I can't remember if the dlcs locked out any trophies from the vanilla game before though to be fair.

When TDB dropped, you where still able to run VoG HM without the DLC though. The existing content before a DLC wasn't suddenly gated behind that DLC paywall.

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2017 12:00pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Apparently tonnes of people are getting refunds for base game because an achievement that was available in vanilla is now locked behind a pay-wall with dlc!

Let's see how long it takes bungo to fix that mess

that they had a state of Destiny 2 thing last week - talked about being more open and more tranparent... and follow it up with:

A sandbox patch they didn't announce/detail until after they dropped it.
Locking Vanilla players out of a Raid mode they had access to the day before...

Its insane.

CDBWhoop · 07-12-2017 12:51pm

The job spec for a senior progression designer at bungie is creating a bit of a ripple in the conflux.

Create sustainable player progression and chase through Destiny 2’s Bright Engram
Work closely with our Live leadership team to craft a long-term vision for the Eververse and its presence in the Destiny IP
Work closely with our Live product manager to analyze key performance indicators to inform design
Design and implement new features and systems with an eye on engagement, retention, and monetization
Use data and design sensibilities to define strategies for maintaining ideal engagement patterns and maximizing player satisfaction
Work with Destiny 2 leadership to help define a cohesive monetization experience across multiple expansions and seasons
Manage the creative and craft growth of Progression designers on the Eververse team and help establish a strong design culture

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/7i2a4c/create_sustainable_player_progression_and_chase/.compact

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2017 12:58pm

Its no issue that they would have someone working on Bright Engrams. The linking of them to player progression and chase? That seems weird.

Is that an admission that Eververse IS the end game content?

Ive not bought silver and I have no desire to based on what is available in the eververse. I'll probably work to get one of the armour sets completed (have season 1 hunter, probably go for season 2 titan) but I don't feel the need to spend money to get these things. I got about 14 engrams since CoO dropped. I reckon that rate will slow but I feel I get them consistently enough to not bother paying for it.

I think the fact that you can't straight up buy stuff for silver is weird. That would be somethign that could sway me to buying Silver, but I'm not going to buy silver to dump into a random loot box.

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