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Are too many teachers women?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Don't be obtuse. There are clearly societal and cultural pressures that discourage men from seeking the kind of education needed to be a teacher. You can't just point at "more women become teachers" as evidence that women are just more suited to become teachers. There is a reason for it, and that reason isn't biology. Anyone can lie with statistics, and everyone does. The thing you must look at is psychology.

    I never "pointed" at that, wtf are you waffling on about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    How is an unattractive profession due to pay any relevant to why it attracts women but not men?

    Let me fish them out but this has been talked about before.

    Women generally opt for professions that give them better quality if life.
    Less hours and longer holidays good maternity.

    Statistically men work longer hours, take less holidays, commit suicide more, are not happy but earn more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Let me fish them out but this has been talked about before.

    Women generally opt for professions that give them better quality if life.
    Less hours and longer holidays good maternity.

    Statistically men work longer hours, take less holidays, commit suicide more, are not happy but earn more.

    And have less control over the money they earn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Shemale


    Speedwell wrote: »
    I invite you to do a Google search of "teacher charged" and "teacher convicted" (not even including "coach") and compare the ratio of men to women in the search results, despite the fact that women far outnumber men as teachers.

    Do you think that male students are equally likely to report to police as female students?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    It's funny how the conversation on gender balance in the workplace differs so profoundly when people discuss male or female.
    • Why aren't there more female CEO's, engineers, computer programmers? Because we have not made these positions available or attractive to females, we must change the way we teach and work to make these jobs available to women. Companies with female CEO's perform on average 189% better (see the study carried out by my feminist empowerment think tank), female engineers are better at problem solving, female programmers make better software etc. etc. We must change the way evil men have set up society to keep the wimmin down - smash the patriarchy!
      vs.

    • Why aren't there more male teachers? Ah shure what do you want, priests is it? Isn't there loads of them, and they only want the high paying jobs, and shure they'd only abuse the pupils, and feck 'em anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,237 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Also, in the "good old days" gone by, a male teacher in a national school would always become Principal.
    That no longer applies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    I toyed with the idea of teaching a few years ago, I've a masters in maths so would be able but I thought "one false allegation and my life is ruined", not worth it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,679 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    I think we should force women to be male teachers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Don't be obtuse. There are clearly societal and cultural pressures that discourage men from seeking the kind of education needed to be a teacher. You can't just point at "more women become teachers" as evidence that women are just more suited to become teachers. There is a reason for it, and that reason isn't biology. Anyone can lie with statistics, and everyone does. The thing you must look at is psychology.


    Ah I get it now ;)

    No one said suited, we said more women choose to teach, because they want too.

    I heard it be said that women are not choosing the professions feminists want them to choose. Reason more and more women do not identify as feminist anymore.

    So you completely dismiss biology and go 100% for psychology.

    When it comes to labor intensive jobs and physically dangerous jobs is it biology or psychology to why men make up 99% of this number?


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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kylith wrote: »
    If that were the case we could expect to see an undersupply of both men and women in teaching, but there seems to only be a dearth of men in the profession.
    Is it not the case that women still tend to "marry up" a lot more than men?
    From my own experiences I know that men tend to look more at money than work/life balance even when single and kids are nowhere on the horizon.
    Personally a short time working has me looking forward to 3 months summer holidays once I've enough put aside for a year and a half of a mortgage. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,498 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    I think there is an argument to be hand around preference.

    Why do more women go into teaching..... Maybe because they want too!
    Why do men not go into teaching.... Maybe because they don't want too!

    The same question was made around STEM subjects. Why are more women not going into Science, Technology, Engineering and Math subjects. Again, maybe they do not want too?

    It seems we want to force people people into category's so the numbers look to be equal not sure that is what equality is all about.

    But that thinking (correct thinking) doesnt work for those people who want full equality regardless of the reasons for inequality.

    That was the whole reason behind that google employees paper.

    Women and Men have different preferences to the chosen jobs because of the way men and women think differently.

    Women tend choose more customer facing roles which require more emotion.
    Men tend to choose more cold business roles which require less emotion.

    Men used to dominate teaching but that was in a time when the majority of women would get married and stay at home to take care of the kids. Since society changed it naturally swung towards Females dominating the field.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yes there is too many ,but if it's intensional or not is subjective

    I'm looking into getting into teaching myself and most primary schools I've been to or spoke to have a serious gender imbalance ,

    My own kids school has a female 29 -3 male ratio on the current teaching staff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Shemale


    Speedwell wrote: »
    That if people are going to argue from the evidence that "women are just more interested in teaching", then they would also be obliged to argue "men are just more interested in assaulting students".

    That is retarded.

    All you have to do is look at the gender breakdown in Pats, Marino and Hibernia to see more women are enrolled ergo more women are interested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    But that thinking (correct thinking) doesnt work for those people who want full equality regardless of the original reasons.

    That was the whole reason behind that google employees paper.

    Women and Men have different preferences to the chosen jobs because of the way men and women think differently.

    Women tend choose more customer facing roles which require more emotion.
    Men tend to choose more cold business roles which require less emotion.

    Men used to dominate teaching but that was in a time when the majority of women would get married and stay at home to take care of the kids. Since society changed it naturally swung towards Females dominating the field.


    James Damore, I read his paper.
    He is in the process of a legal case against them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Shemale


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Don't be obtuse. There are clearly societal and cultural pressures that discourage men from seeking the kind of education needed to be a teacher. .

    Nope, I can't think of anything worse than spending a day with 30 unruly kids a lot of whom have crap parents therefore I didn't apply to teaching college.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    Does it matter if there are 'too many'? As long as the quality of teaching is good.

    I could have done with more male teachers though. Staring at yer wan's arse all day did me no favours.


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    So its either a conspiracy against men.


    Or


    There are clear cultural, structural, financial reasons why more men do not become teachers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    Does it matter if there are 'too many'? As long as the quality of teaching is good.

    I could have done with more male teachers though. Staring at yer wan's arse all day did me no favours.

    Good question. There is a report from about 10 years ago about primary teaching which points out
    The general consensus among the partners in education is that the absence of male role models in primary education is a critical and increasing problem, because the primary school experience of both girls and boys requires a practical witnessing of gender roles. Children need to spend time with both men and women. Since half a child’s day is spent in school, the school needs to reflect the social world in which both men and women play their parts. It is necessary, therefore, in the context of providing a full and appropriate curriculum to have male and female role models in primary schools.

    Link to report https://www.education.ie/en/Publications/Policy-Reports/Males-into-Primary-Teaching-Report-of-the-Primary-Education-Committee-2006-.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,498 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    Again at the risk of sounding sexist, I think that there are other aspects outside of wages that make it more attractive to women – the hours mainly and the fact that they’re very family friendly when it comes to raising a family.

    Are you mad?
    The hours that teachers work are insane. This is one of the most negative aspects of the job.

    On paper teachers work very little but its impossible for them to keep on top of marking homework and scheduling and planning lessons to do this within work hours.

    Every teacher ive ever known spends their evenings working, they spend at least 1/3 of their "time off" for mid term breaks just catching up and planning for their return.
    The Summer holidays i would say barely cover the amount of extra hours they work compared to someone who simply clocks in and out of their 9-5.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    Does it matter if there are 'too many'? As long as the quality of teaching is good.

    I could have done with more male teachers though. Staring at yer wan's arse all day did me no favours.

    Staring at wan mans arse all day not enough for you?
    You are a serial arse starer i take it :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    mariaalice wrote: »
    So its either a conspiracy against men.


    Or


    There are clear cultural, structural, financial reasons why more men do not become teachers.

    This could never be admitted, because if it was, then there might be some brave soul that would suggest that the same applies to women in other careers, and that obviously can't be the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    What is your sales pitch? Come to a low paid, not overly respected profession instead of a high flying stem job? Deal with brats and their parents who feel their angel can do no wrong?

    I think the big issue is that it is not seen as an "in" profession to encourage people towards. It is not seen as a benefit for the men to get into teaching. Maybe we should encourage male teachers for the children's benefit but you still need a sales pitch to get the men into teaching when they could focus on a stem job with better pay etc.

    Now teaching should probably be more respected but it is what it is. Get better pay for teachers and have it seen as more of a badge of honour like a six figure wage is seen now and you could do something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Shemale


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    Does it matter if there are 'too many'? As long as the quality of teaching is good.

    It is far better to have more people who want to do the job and have the aptitude to do the job better than appearing to comply with the PC brigade.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are you mad?
    The hours that teachers work are insane. This is one of the most negative aspects of the job.

    On paper teachers work very little but its impossible for them to keep on top of marking homework and scheduling and planning lessons to do this within work hours.

    Every teacher ive ever known spends their evenings working, they spend at least 1/3 of their "time off" for mid term breaks just catching up and planning for their return.
    The Summer holidays i would say barely cover the amount of extra hours they work compared to someone who simply clocks in and out of their 9-5.

    This is something I really need explained to me properly.

    In my secondary school the average per teacher was under 6/9 lessons per day, including SPHE, CSPE, non-exam Religion, Computers, subjects that had no homework or tests for correction. Of the rest, the lesson plan would be a silly thing to do because we followed the textbook. Most classes started with "where did we finish yesterday?". Homework was corrected in class. On average we would hand up one piece of work every 3-4 weeks that the teacher would actually have to correct.
    I genuinely don't see how the average 2 hours a day (not including lunch and break) without having a class weren't at least close to enough to keep up with their corrections.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I think the big issue is that it is not seen as an "in" profession to encourage people towards. It is not seen as a benefit for the men to get into teaching. Maybe we should encourage male teachers for the children's benefit but you still need a sales pitch to get the men into teaching when they could focus on a stem job with better pay etc.
    I think another issue is that when it's not easy to get into teaching it's still very easy for a certain sub-group of people and next to impossible for others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,505 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    well maybe they should offer higher pay to encourage more men to enter teaching..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    lawred2 wrote: »
    well maybe they should offer higher pay to encourage more men to enter teaching..

    But would it ,

    I personally don't think it would ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Are you mad?
    The hours that teachers work are insane. This is one of the most negative aspects of the job.

    On paper teachers work very little but its impossible for them to keep on top of marking homework and scheduling and planning lessons to do this within work hours.

    Every teacher ive ever known spends their evenings working, they spend at least 1/3 of their "time off" for mid term breaks just catching up and planning for their return.
    The Summer holidays i would say barely cover the amount of extra hours they work compared to someone who simply clocks in and out of their 9-5.

    Hmmmm. I don't want to be one of those people that knock teachers at every turn, but I'm not sure this is really the case. I've one offspring still in secondary school, and most of the correction is done in class, and a lot of the teaching via homework. How much planning and scheduling do lessons take? The curriculum is set and they follow it. I'm involved in a couple of sports clubs, and nearly every committee in sports clubs, charities etc. is dominated by teachers, because they are the only full-time workers with enough free time to do it. The preponderance of teachers in politics, at both local and national level would also indicate that they are not as busy as you indicate. Again, I'm not knocking teachers, and it's a job I certainly wouldn't do, but I think it's untrue that their hours are as long as they'd have you believe. It's a bit like all the civil servants that pretend that they are overworked and that there's any danger of them being fired for incompetence. It makes it difficult to take what they say seriously.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    lawred2 wrote: »
    well maybe they should offer higher pay to encourage more men to enter teaching..

    Men need a fruitful, full time, permanent job with some kind of hope for progression to be the bread winner and teaching simply doesn't promise this these days. If teaching could promise these things (once more), then more men will get over the stigma and get back into it. Men can't afford the compromises.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    JMNolan wrote: »
    Good question. There is a report from about 10 years ago about primary teaching which points out..

    Thinking back I had two male teachers (25%) in primary. One was excellent, probably the best teacher I ever had. The other read the newspaper all day. :)

    These studies always leave me skeptical. I think one great teacher can leave a much larger impression on you rather than focussing on the generic benefits of a gender spread (if that makes sense!?).
    Staring at wan mans arse all day not enough for you?
    You are a serial arse starer i take it :P

    A man's arse doesn't have the same allure as a woman's. And yes to the second part. From the waist down is where it's at.


  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    A slight change of topic but wasn't (and possibly it still is) primary school teaching a favoured profession for the tuned in prospective politician. This applied whether they were from a political family or were just in the know. The benefits are obvious. Must have had an effect on the number of male teachers.


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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Allrigh then what do you think the reasons an 18 year old male in 6th year does not put primary school teaching as number one on their cao.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    This is something I really need explained to me properly.

    In my secondary school the average per teacher was under 6/9 lessons per day, including SPHE, CSPE, non-exam Religion, Computers, subjects that had no homework or tests for correction. Of the rest, the lesson plan would be a silly thing to do because we followed the textbook. Most classes started with "where did we finish yesterday?". Homework was corrected in class. On average we would hand up one piece of work every 3-4 weeks that the teacher would actually have to correct.
    I genuinely don't see how the average 2 hours a day (not including lunch and break) without having a class weren't at least close to enough to keep up with their corrections.

    Things have changed somewhat. Look at some inspection reports. All they want now is bits of paper and reports on this, that and the other and learning objectives written on the board and using your so called free class to fill in for colleagues. Following the text book is not encouraged it's all flashy presentations for the short attention span brigade. Fur coat and no knickers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I think teacher is an unattractive profession because the pay is so poor. It requires an education level and commitment that would bring you a much higher pay-packet in other industries and even when you qualify as a teacher, it can’t take years to eventually get a full-time job.

    It’s not surprising that there’s only six people in training to be physics teachers. Someone with a degree in physics could walk into a job that would pay multiples of what teaching would.

    At the risk of sounding sexist, I’m just not sure it’s a job that appeals to highly qualified men as much as it does women. I could be wrong and totally off base but I believe that the only way to get more men teaching would be to drastically improve the wages.

    It's strange that multiple posters on this thread say that the pay is poor, whereas elsewhere, in other forums, people complain that the pay is too high!!


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    spurious wrote: »
    Things have changed somewhat. Look at some inspection reports. All they want now is bits of paper and reports on this, that and the other and learning objectives written on the board and using your so called free class to fill in for colleagues. Following the text book is not encouraged it's all flashy presentations for the short attention span brigade. Fur coat and no knickers.
    Yet the same argument was used before all the bells and whistles which have been introduced, so was that just an argument to suit themselves?
    Are there more inspections now? My whole way through secondary school we had an inspector for 2 classes in a week where a trainee was in.
    Do these learning objectives change year after year?


    BTW, the best teacher I had used a notebook that was about 10 years old with everything done out in it and never changed. Only for project maths (ugh) coming in I doubt she would have ever changed it and I would have loved to see someone tell her to. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    brevity wrote: »
    The question I would ask is why don't more men want to be teachers?

    Money and status would be contributing factors.

    People don't want to admit it, but on average, men and women have different goals and objectives in their career.

    I'm sure that a campaign of sorts could encourage more men into teaching, as there possibly is some who reject the notion either consciously or subconsciously because of how the job is viewed, but just like we're seeing in Engineering and science with the gender roles reversed, I don't think it'll be a massive difference.

    Can we help, sure. But I think we also have to be a little conscious across the board that we're never going to have a 50/50 ratio in all job titles, such is the composition of the genders. Again, on average I'm saying here.

    The gender quotas and so on are absolute horse****. Demanding that your actual makeup is a massively warped figure to your supply is insanity.
    kylith wrote: »
    Nonsense. Historically many men went into teaching careers. We need to look at why this has changed.

    The status and money relative to what can be achieved elsewhere with the same knowledge/effort has not remained static.


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    Geuze wrote: »
    It's strange that multiple posters on this thread say that the pay is poor, whereas elsewhere, in other forums, people complain that the pay is too high!!

    It all about the bubble you live in, in comparison to a lot of middle class professions its mediocre for pay but for someone who's top earning is likely to be 30/35k its viewed very well paid.

    It is also to do with where you live on a teacher or two teacher incomes your going to struggle to buy a house in D14 but in Sligo you would have a very good life style on the money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    As I said it is still not massively respected. See the amount of complaints about holidays etc. It is also how it is seen. It is a safe job with a decent wage but a low ceiling. Good luck advertising that to teenagers. When looking at stem jobs most will assume incorrectly that they will end up in the above average section.

    Maybe ask the women who go for it about their motivation for their sales pitch. I still think you will struggle to find a good one to increase either gender to sign up for it more frequently without increasing the level.

    How many places is that for? Remember general science is low because hundreds go through it.

    I would be curious as to the thought processes of those that go for it or avoid it. Do boys even consider it? Or is it just not thought about? I still feel people are far to eager to throw everything off as a difference between the genders without any serious evidence of what is going on. Maybe it is a difference but we definitely don't have enough data to show that and we could well be missing out on quality teachers to people not thinking of it as an option and,as you say, the benefits of some positive male role models.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Maybe a lot of men read boards and think they will just incur the wrath of most of society for being supposedly overpaid, underworked parasites on people's tax dollars?


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    Knex. wrote: »
    Money and status would be contributing factors.

    People don't want to admit it, but on average, men and women have different goals and objectives in their career.

    I'm sure that a campaign of sorts could encourage more men into teaching, as there possibly is some who reject the notion either consciously or subconsciously because of how the job is viewed, but just like we're seeing in Engineering and science with the gender roles reversed, I don't think it'll be a massive difference.

    Can we help, sure. But I think we also have to be a little conscious across the board that we're never going to have a 50/50 ratio in all job titles, such is the composition of the genders. Again, on average I'm saying here.

    The gender quotas and so on are absolute horse****. Demanding that your actual makeup is a massively warped figure to your supply is insanity.
    This is it. Like I said, I've come across the attitudes that lead to men not entering the profession in big numbers. I disagree with them but they're definitely there. Women see ambition in men as attractive so men play up to that. If I say I want to be a teacher because I can quite happily live on the decent pay and would put a premium on the summer and Christmas holidays well that just isn't "ambitious".
    Myself (and most guys I know) don't really consider that with women. Is she happy with the job and the progression or none that it offers? Great, that's it.

    And obviously the disclaimer: I'm speaking in generalities here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,722 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    mariaalice wrote:
    Allrigh then what do you think the reasons an 18 year old male in 6th year does not put primary school teaching as number one on their cao.


    For me it was because a male working with children is viewed with distrust by some as a potential paedophile.


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    You would also have to answer the question as to why more women look for family friendly careers and why women often view their earning as secondary to their male partners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,606 ✭✭✭brevity


    Knex. wrote: »
    Money and status would be contributing factors.

    People don't want to admit it, but on average, men and women have different goals and objectives in their career.

    I'm sure that a campaign of sorts could encourage more men into teaching, as there possibly is some who reject the notion either consciously or subconsciously because of how the job is viewed, but just like we're seeing in Engineering and science with the gender roles reversed, I don't think it'll be a massive difference.

    Can we help, sure. But I think we also have to be a little conscious across the board that we're never going to have a 50/50 ratio in all job titles, such is the composition of the genders. Again, on average I'm saying here.

    The gender quotas and so on are absolute horse****. Demanding that your actual makeup is a massively warped figure to your supply is insanity.

    I think being a teacher is a sort of calling, same as a nurse or carer. Either you have it in you or you don't.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    mariaalice wrote: »
    It all about the bubble you live in, in comparison to a lot of middle class professions its mediocre for pay but for someone who's top earning is likely to be 30/35k its viewed very well paid.

    It is also to do with where you live on a teacher or two teacher incomes your going to struggle to buy a house in D14 but in Sligo you would have a very good life style on the money.


    I think it goes a little beyond that. On average the pay is good for the hours worked.

    But again I the men tend to look less at the hours or work and more at the potential earnings at the end.

    Lets say a female teacher is doing 40 hours a week making 40K and I a male working in IT is working 50/60 hours a week and earning 60K..

    Arguably they earn the same for hours worked but statistically men tend to go for the higher paid vs time off, women tend to have a much better work life balance.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    How much does a primary teacher earn a year?


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    I think it goes a little beyond that. On average the pay is good for the hours worked.

    But again I the men tend to look less at the hours or work and more at the potential earnings at the end.

    Lets say a female teacher is doing 40 hours a week making 40K and I a male working in IT is working 50/60 hours a week and earning 60K..

    Arguably they earn the same for hours worked but statistically men tend to go for the higher paid vs time off, women tend to have a much better work life balance.

    As the saying goes..sometimes a tree is just a tree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    For me it was because a male working with children is viewed with distrust by some as a potential paedophile.


    Have to agree with this somewhat.
    I think an announcement for a man to become a primary school teacher can be met with a raised eyebrow.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How much does a primary teacher earn a year?

    http://www.into.ie/pay/PayScales/

    So from just over 30k to 61k over 25 years.

    If your start at 25 by the time you are 50 you will be on 61k the upper end of the salary is good.


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