Renewal of Broombridge Irish Rail

Pixel Eater · 23-11-2017 12:44PM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

The plan for the area is high density at the transport nodes with apartment blocks up to eight stories with densities dropping as the distance from the transport nodes increases. This is reflected with this development and the three others underway in the area.

The existing accommodation in the area is 81% (pre2014) apartments, is concentrated around the transport nodes and has about 99 housing units per hectare. The average beds per unit is around 2.

When the three final sites are filled in there'll be about 84uph over the whole area which by my calcs equates to about 22600/km2 in poplar ion density.

That's a pretty high density by European standards. On phone so it's awkward but if you look up density maps of London, there are very few areas that achieve that density.

Well according to the aerial photo the new development will be right beside where the new station is proposed so seemingly the plan for higher densities next to transport nodes has been jettisoned in this instance.

I'll have to to trust you on the figures but I find it hard to believe that it will equate to that sort of density. I mean there is no real high rise there at the moment, what exact area are you basing it on?

Anyway I'm not actually saying that the area has ultra low density and poorly planned, just that there could have been maybe up to 20% increase in people there based on it's location and potential transport connection. There has been criticism of the lowering of density requirements there already.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/permission-given-for-65m-pelletstown-development-1.2748462

PhoenixParker · 23-11-2017 01:04PM

mrsdewinter wrote: »

No, 'dozens of blocks of 6 storeys or greater' is an exaggeration. I'd say there's roughly 15 blocks total, between Rathborne & RCP. I live in one such block & we're 5 storeys. There might be blocks of 6+ storeys but there aren't dozens of them.

You don't necessarily gain a large amount of density by going higher. If you want a livable neighbourhood you need to provide parks, roads and amenities for the population which takes up ground space too.

There are also light issues so taller buildings need to be spaced further apart or you end up with very dark apartments so you lose out there too.

The population density I mentioned equates to 226/ha, which sits as appropriate on this graph:

https://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch6en/conc6en/distancedensity_sample.html

My figures are from the local area plan for ashtown - pelletstown (2014)

PhoenixParker · 23-11-2017 02:05PM

Pixel Eater wrote: »

The new development is 3/4 bed houses so presumingly 2/3 stories. I'm not proposing 40 story condos but 5/6 story apartments with the space that will be used for lawns and back gardens could've be combined to several shared green areas. We need more homes for people.

I should add the development rathborne park includes apartments. They're selling the houses first but the development as a whole includes apartments and duplexes. There are 62 apartments arranged in 4 and 5 storey blocks.

PhoenixParker · 23-11-2017 02:14PM

Pixel Eater wrote: »

Well according to the aerial photo the new development will be right beside where the new station is proposed so seemingly the plan for higher densities next to transport nodes has been jettisoned in this instance.

I'll have to to trust you on the figures but I find it hard to believe that it will equate to that sort of density. I mean there is no real high rise there at the moment, what exact area are you basing it on?

Anyway I'm not actually saying that the area has ultra low density and poorly planned, just that there could have been maybe up to 20% increase in people there based on it's location and potential transport connection. There has been criticism of the lowering of density requirements there already.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/permission-given-for-65m-pelletstown-development-1.2748462

The transport nodes are at Royal canal park and ashtown. The new station is probably about 8 minutes walk from these houses as they're away from the canal. The apartments and duplexes are to the front closer to transport. The new station is quite a bit closer to broombridge then these houses. The houses are probably 18-20 minutes from broombridge luas.

At Royal canal park there was originally a plan to run metro north through the area with a station where the tallest apartments are. Ballymore are now starting on the apartment portion of their development which includes apartment blocks up to 7 storeys. These do face the existing apartments to create a streetscape rather then beside the currently proposed station however the station will still be 3mins walk.

You should really try reading the development plan. It's very good.

Renewal of Broombridge Irish Rail

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